The power of NXT over 12 layers of Zaino on black C5
- Thread starter sw20_og
- Start date
- Status
kartoon
Don't ever drop your clay
Toyo98 said:
No Dawn required + Absolutely Not Mandatory + I bought it locally (so did some Canadians in a barber shop
) + No Need For Layers = Absolutely Easy To Use (unless you get all the facts mixed up )Not trying to get personal here but the myth that Zaino is complicated exists because many people who have never used the product keep promoting that myth. All the statements in your equations (with the exception of "online", which by the way also applies to Klasse, WG, etc) are myths. Would you consider Klasse, Wolfgang and other similar products expensive and complicated to use ?
Because there really is no difference.
I believe you're missing out by at least not trying this product, but hey, it's your choice.
Mike Phillips said:
You cant tell me that when you posted on MOL this:
Mike Phillips On MOL said:
That you didnt think this would ruffle a whole bunch of feathers?
The test alone would cause a ruckus, but making a bunch of derogatory comments about Zaino would definetly create a stink.
You could remove Zaino from both threads and in its place put Klasse SG, you would get the same thing.
It was an unfair comaprison imo.
pendragonz
New member
It could be just me, but the way I see it, this wasn't a COMPARISON between anything. Mike didn't know this person used Zaino until after the car was picked already. This was a DEMONSTRATION for what NXT can do for you.
Until we know how the owner prepped his car, it seems pretty awful how people ASSUME there was no prep. Granted there may have been none, but it's wrong to assume anything.
And yes I have one post, but don't assume anything about that...check the date I signed up.
Until we know how the owner prepped his car, it seems pretty awful how people ASSUME there was no prep. Granted there may have been none, but it's wrong to assume anything.
And yes I have one post, but don't assume anything about that...check the date I signed up.
SK2003TypeS
New member
Mike Phillips said:
No, you're right Mike, I didn't read the entire post on the vettes (and I haven't gotten through this entire post yet). I now see that I missed that part that someone else applied the NXT. It Depends on the thread size and the amount of Alt Tabing I'm doing that day.
Bill D
Hooked For Life
blkZ28Conv said:
BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! :bow :bow
I read this post late but that's EXACTLY what I was just thinking!
pendragonz said:
Well, what exactly do you mean when you say prep? Mike made sure the finish was squeaky *clean* but that's not defect removal.
pendragonz said:It could be just me, but the way I see it, this wasn't a COMPARISON between anything. Mike didn't know this person used Zaino until after the car was picked already. This was a DEMONSTRATION for what NXT can do for you.
Until we know how the owner prepped his car, it seems pretty awful how people ASSUME there was no prep. Granted there may have been none, but it's wrong to assume anything.
And yes I have one post, but don't assume anything about that...check the date I signed up.
There is no need to assume that the surface was not prepared, it's fact. You mean you can't figure that out buy looking at the surface of the car?
imported_memnuts
New member
dternst said:
Thanks dternst. It would have taken me a 1000 words to say the same thing.
One can only assume 2 things about the prep on this Vette:
None or poorly done. Neither of these would be acceptable for any LSP. Take a look at the close-up of both sides in the Scratch-X demo. :shocked
Mike Phillips said:
Yawn, same crap, new day.
Btw, I saw you hijacked one of my posts and used it in your latest NXT/Zaino product promotion thread. Impressive. Next time you wish to challenge something I say, post it on Autopia instead of twisting it around for your cheerleading section.
Oh, and you CAN quote me on that.
imported_Intermezzo
New member
Mike Phillips said:
LOL!! Thanks for that Mike.. I needed a good laugh to get the day started..
Sorta reminds me of Will Smith's line in I,Robot... "Cough..cough!!. oh I'm sorry.. I'm allergic to BS!"
Mike_Phillips
Administrator
bjwebster said:
bjwebster,
You know, if you read what I wrote, I tried to make it pretty clear, I didn't know what was on the car until after we selected it for the demonstration. I wanted a black car that would show a dramatic difference. The black car I chose was hazy, dull and filled with swirls.
What would you have done?
Searched for a car that wouldn't ruffle feathers?
The test wasn't' a comparison about prep work. I was a demonstration to show the effects of NXT Tech Wax on a car that looks dull, hazy and filled with swirls.
Most cars need prep work, but not all owners know how to do it, they might not want to do it, depends on their skill level and interest. For whatever reason, the owner bought off on the idea of layering Zaino on the finish he had.
I let him and his friends see what one application of Tech Wax looked like over 12 plus layers of Zaino and they liked what they saw. I captured this on film, and then had to decide if I should post it or not. I post lots of pictures from events at the clinics on Saturday, why not this one?
What would you have done?
12 layers of Zaino didn't look good on his garage kept Corvette. 1 layer of NXT Tech Wax restored a rich looking, more swirl free finish. The owner loved the way it made his car look and everyone there thought it looked better.
Now everyone is trying to blame the reason the 12 layers of Zaino didn't look good on lack of good prep work and it was an unfair comparison.
Should I have looked for a black Corvette in excellent shape to demonstrate on?
Mike
topnotchtouch
New member
BradE said:
Rather arrogant of you Brad to paint everyone on MOL with one broad brush. Maybe I am misinterpreting what you mean by Mike's cheerleading section but, sure sounds like you mean MOL to me. Maybe you can clarify what you mean.
To steal your quote
"Same crap, new day"
I used to be a Zealot, before WG and NXT came out.
I loved Zaino on my new metallic car. It had mirror-like shine and the metallic flakes truly sparkled in the sunlight. But then I started to notice the microswirls I was putting in wash after wash and layer after layer.
I've been waiting patiently for Sal's new SMR-type product to come out, but I've since been using the WG twins. I have some NXT, but haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
Zaino is missing that critcal prep product in their line. WG and NXT allow you to play around with different prep processes and they still bond pretty well. Time is still a factor, as Zaino prep took a very long time (for me, anyway) and I get near the same results for about half the time with WG. With my free time so absent lately, WG has truly been a joy.:xyxthumbs
That picture is just showing a poor prep job underneath. NXT does have fillers, which hurt its durability. That tradeoff might be worth it to the casual detailer. Given your time and fiscal constraints, just use whatever product gives you a good look and takes up the right amount of time to apply. Remember, detailing success is always in the eye of the detailer.:wavey
I loved Zaino on my new metallic car. It had mirror-like shine and the metallic flakes truly sparkled in the sunlight. But then I started to notice the microswirls I was putting in wash after wash and layer after layer.
I've been waiting patiently for Sal's new SMR-type product to come out, but I've since been using the WG twins. I have some NXT, but haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
Zaino is missing that critcal prep product in their line. WG and NXT allow you to play around with different prep processes and they still bond pretty well. Time is still a factor, as Zaino prep took a very long time (for me, anyway) and I get near the same results for about half the time with WG. With my free time so absent lately, WG has truly been a joy.:xyxthumbs
That picture is just showing a poor prep job underneath. NXT does have fillers, which hurt its durability. That tradeoff might be worth it to the casual detailer. Given your time and fiscal constraints, just use whatever product gives you a good look and takes up the right amount of time to apply. Remember, detailing success is always in the eye of the detailer.:wavey
groebuck
New member
Hmmm - my 2 cents for what it's worth - I read through Mike's posts at MOL and never got the sense he was bashing or presented it in an unfair manner. The basic jist I got out of it was NxT is better at hiding swirls and spider webs then Zaino - but I knew that. Zaino is a sealant and gives you bling bling shine, if your finish stinks to begin with all your doing is accentuating those problems. Nxt hides them and darkens the finish. Even with the Nxt you could still see plenty. I guess a fair comparison would be the DACP the hood to remove all the defects and do Zaino on the left and NxT on the right (or vice versa)...but I don't think that was Mike or anyone's job (other than the owner). I think it was a pretty good representation of what NxT can do with a neglected finish - If you stuck any sealant's name in place of zaino it would look the same. I've never used Zaino but do use sealants (right not have FMJ on the whip)..I've used NxT and for me the sealant gives a better result than the NxT. But hey that's only my opinion
Scott P
New member
I've searched high and low on the Zaino website. The only prep they mention is a Dawn Wash and a clay bar. How can the average Zaino user come to the conclusion that there is any other prep required?
The attacks on MP are expected by certain members of this community, but certain points are being overlooked here. Autopians know that proper prep is required, but the average user shopping at the Zaino store or through a distributor will be led to believe that layers of Z-5 will take out swirls.
The attacks on MP are expected by certain members of this community, but certain points are being overlooked here. Autopians know that proper prep is required, but the average user shopping at the Zaino store or through a distributor will be led to believe that layers of Z-5 will take out swirls.
imported_Intermezzo
New member
rjstaaf said:
Arrogant? Geez, more like simply stating the obvious!
Mike_Phillips
Administrator
blkZ28Conv said:
At the detailing clinic, we always show how to prep paint before applying a wax. We did this on 4-5 different Corvettes at this event. One of the demonstrations was to take a dull, hazy swirled out looking Corvette and show how to dramatically improve it so that it looks good.
I chose the black Corvette for this reason, I didn't know what the owner was using on it till after I chose it. It's really not my fault that the finish looked the way it did, I just wanted to show the people there that day how to make dully, hazy, swirled out paint look better.
The pictures are accurate.
The people there did the application, the removal, the inspection.
After showing what one coat of NXT Tech Wax looked like, I did then show them how to properly prep the finish. To say I posted a decieving picture is kind of unfair don't you think?
Are you saying I shouldn't demonstrate on dully, hazy swirled out black Corvettes?
What would you do? Only pick cars in excellent shape to demonstrate on? Only pick cars that have Meguiar's on them to demonstrate on?
I guess I kind of like they way I usually pick the cars I demonstrate on, I look for one that doesn't look good. Then I show people how to make it look good.
Here's the bottom line for the owner. He didn't realize how much better his car could look. I find this to be pretty common with most people I deal with. He thought his Corvette's finish looked great, it was only till I showed him how much better it could look by performing a side-by-side demonstration could he and the other 25 people attending that day, see the potential his car's paint had.
Here's the bottom line for me, his finish looked horrible by Autopian standards. I showed him how to bring the finish up to a higher standard.
Mike
topnotchtouch
New member
Intermezzo said:
Maybe I should clarify
"Same Crap, Same People, New Day"
- Status