The power of NXT over 12 layers of Zaino on black C5

[jfelbab]

What really gets me is that all of you keep talking about the cost of Zaino. One bottle of Z2 is $13 and will last you several years. I am by no means a Zainoholic and rarely use it, but give it a rest guys. Most of you guys haven't even used it.

So Z2 now works all by itself? I never heard about this change. I recall needing Z1 or ZFX, Z2, Z5, Z6 and Z7. Slightly more than $13.

 

[ZaneO]

Yes, Z2 will work on its own. Thanks for the sarcastic, uneducated comment.



Also works brilliantly over AIO.



If you want to go by the "Zaino Book". $30 worth of Zaino (Z1 & Z2) with last you for years...

 

[BradE]

So Z2 now works all by itself? I never heard about this change. I recall needing Z1 or ZFX, Z2, Z5, Z6 and Z7. Slightly more than $13.

For bare bones Zaino all you need is Z1 and Z2. The other products are part of the system if you wish to use it, but only products required to use Zaino as your protectant is Z1 and Z2.



Total cost, $21.90.

 

[HotRodGuy]

For bare bones Zaino all you need is Z1 and Z2. The other products are part of the system if you wish to use it, but only products required to use Zaino as your protectant is Z1 and Z2.



Total cost, $21.90.

you forgot to mention it'll last for YEARS

 

[imported_Terry]

I use both products quite a bit and for different reasons......sorry, but the NXT has never done anything that dramatic to any vehicle I've done and I really like using it. To tell the truth the left side looks like a few machine polishing steps were used even in the sunlight.

 

[topnotchtouch]

Yes, Z2 will work on its own. Thanks for the sarcastic, uneducated comment.



Also works brilliantly over AIO.



If you want to go by the "Zaino Book". $30 worth of Zaino (Z1 & Z2) with last you for years...

Not to take sides here but, you must have Z1 or ZFX for the initial layer. After that you are correct you can use Z2, Z3 or Z5 without Z1 or ZFX, it will just take a lot longer to haze.

 

[Mike_Phillips]

I use both products quite a bit and for different reasons......sorry, but the NXT has never done anything that dramatic to any vehicle I've done and I really like using it. To tell the truth the left side looks like a few machine polishing steps were used even in the sunlight.

Hi Terry,



Not every side-by-side demonstration I do creates these kinds of results. I just want to note that.



That said,



This car was not touched in any way by me or anyone else other than the owner, (to my knowledge), at this clinic. The owner drove it into the garage, other people applied the product and then we pulled the car out into the sun.



The results you see are real... on this particular car.



I have sent an e-mail to the owner asking him if I can have his car for an extreme makeover. I also told him that with his permission, I would do a side by side comparison using NXT and Zaino after the finish was prepped. If he says no, (It may be a big hassle if he lives a long ways away), then I will get another black Corvette in similar condition.



I'm always looking for cars to do extreme makeovers to and regularly have people e-mail me volunteering their car. In this case, it would be great if he says yes.



If he does, I will need some Zaino using Autopian to come down and either do the prep work and application, or to oversee myself doing the prep work and application to insure the rest of the community has now doubts about the results.



I have tentatively asked him if we can do this next week. I am also working on polishing out the 1970 Corvette Roadster in this same thread.



I would implore everyone to read the text in that thread carefully, as some people have already posted comments that appear as though they did not read the comments.



Here's a link to the thread again,





CorvetteForum at Meguiar's!



Mike

 

[ZaneO]

Not to take sides here but, you must have Z1 or ZFX for the initial layer.

Have you tried it without? I have and it works just fine.



It's like saying WG sealant doesn't work without WG pre-cleaner...it's not absolutely necessary.

 

[Bill D]

Mike,



Thanks for initiating an extreme make over on this or similar Corvette. For fun do you think it would be possible to pit Zaino against another Meg's LSP, say #16, for example? On the hood you could have zaino and NXT again and on the short rear surfaceand /or roof you could have Zaino and #16, etc.



Would be interesting and fun just to see how these 3 products would look.

 

[jfelbab]

Yes, Z2 will work on its own. Thanks for the sarcastic, uneducated comment.



Also works brilliantly over AIO.



If you want to go by the "Zaino Book". $30 worth of Zaino (Z1 & Z2) with last you for years...

One of us is uneducated. To decide which lets see what Sal says you need.

The basic products you will need are Z1 or the new ZFX accelerator additive, Z2, Z5 (optional, but highly recommended), Z6 and Z7.

So who is wrong, you or Sal?

 

[topnotchtouch]

Have you tried it without? I have and it works just fine.



It's like saying WG sealant doesn't work without WG pre-cleaner...it's not absolutely necessary.

Actually it isn't like saying that at all. WG precleaner is a paint cleaner whereas Z1 and ZFX do not clean the paint at all. To put it simply they are accelorators that shorten cure time and help Zaino bond to paint and to previous layers.



The quote below is straight from http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=Zaino



"Please note that if this is your first time using the Zaino system, ZFX or minimally Z-1 is mandatory for use with Z-2, Z-3, or Z-5."



If it works for you that is fine and dandy but, the manufacturer says that Z1 or ZFX are mandatory.

 

[imported_Terry]

Mike, I anxiously await the makeover......We all know what proper prep does to any LSP......again , I use NXT and Zaino for desired results. I hope you get unbiased autopians to do the side by side comparisons. I would expect to see nice finishes on both sides.:xyxthumbs Terry

 

[canisestinvia]

maybe itll bond better with z1 or zfx, but I've used zaino without the accelorator. It works JUST FINE. I hated the way z1 smelled (like vinegar?) and I didnt like doing (imo) unnecessary work with z1, so I would just go straight to the pink stuff.



I read the need for zfx/z1 as more a recommendation than a necessity.

 

[topnotchtouch]

maybe itll bond better with z1 or zfx, but I've used zaino without the accelorator. It works JUST FINE. I hated the way z1 smelled (like vinegar?) and I didnt like doing (imo) unnecessary work with z1, so I would just go straight to the pink stuff.



I read the need for zfx/z1 as more a recommendation than a necessity.

Not sure how it could be any clearer



The quote below is straight from http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=Zaino



"Please note that if this is your first time using the Zaino system, ZFX or minimally Z-1 is mandatory for use with Z-2, Z-3, or Z-5."

 

[kartoon]

So Z2 now works all by itself? I never heard about this change. I recall needing Z1 or ZFX, Z2, Z5, Z6 and Z7. Slightly more than $13.

You have to take Z6 (QD) and Z7(shampoo) out of this picture. Also if you're using Z2 there's no need for Z5 and vice versa.

 

[ZaneO]

jfelbab & rjstaaf - Do you follow every manufacturers' suggestion for every product you use? Have you ever experimented? No one said Sal is wrong, but I know from my own experience that I am not wrong, either. I would tell people that extra items were required if I was trying to make money, too.



Keep in mind that the great Sal Zaino has also convinced people that using Dawn on your car is fine and dandy.



Since you guys are old enough to be my grandfather and my dad, why don't you grow up and accept that other methods may work.

 

[MattZ28]

Z6 and Z7 are not MANDATORY. Z2 or Z5, and Z1 or ZFX are the only MANDATORY products. The rest is optional.

 

[ncal]

Yeah, it's like saying if you use NXT you HAVE to use Meguiar's soaps. All manufacturers recommend you remain in their product line because its common sense for your business. Just like ZaneO said about WG twins. I've used the cleaner and I'm not sure if I'll use it again as a base.

 

[BillNorth]

With zaino I'm inclined to say that z1 or zfx are a necessity. Now I've never tried it without, so I have no real world experience. It would be intersting to see if the non z1'd/zfx'd side lasted less the z1/zfx side. Over the short term I doubt there would be a difference, hence the reason why none of use have noticed, since we wax/seal so often. But for the non autopian that z's once and expects 6 months, etc of protection, then they may experience inferior durability.



Bill.

 

[canisestinvia]

jfelbab & rjstaaf - Do you follow every manufacturers' suggestion for every product you use? Have you ever experimented? No one said Sal is wrong, but I know from my own experience that I am not wrong, either. I would tell people that extra items were required if I was trying to make money, too.



Keep in mind that the great Sal Zaino has also convinced people that using Dawn on your car is fine and dandy.

Yeh seriously . I'd do a side by side test to see any difference, but I've thrown away my z1 polish lok. If you have the whole line of zaino stuff, please try for us. I'm not interested in spending more money to finish off my last bottle of zaino.