imported_Lawdog
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The power of NXT over 12 layers of Zaino on black C5
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I have Zaino on the Cad & NXT on Mnteer both black. Really cant tell the difference yet after two weeks.
Zaino pkg. Z1,2,5,6,7,=$57. NXT,wash,spraywax=$28.
PC, rotary, pads for ea., Menzerna IP & FP, micro fib towels, trim & tire cleaners/dressings, leather/interior cleaners/dressings=$$$.
$30. isnt much, compared to all else, if it makes you happy.
Zaino pkg. Z1,2,5,6,7,=$57. NXT,wash,spraywax=$28.
PC, rotary, pads for ea., Menzerna IP & FP, micro fib towels, trim & tire cleaners/dressings, leather/interior cleaners/dressings=$$$.
$30. isnt much, compared to all else, if it makes you happy.
94BlkStang
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I think this thread has gotten a little off target. I didn't look at this as a "Zaino isn't worth the money and NXT is superior test". It's obvious the Vette wasn't very well prepped and thus the Zaino showed the defects. What I saw from the NXT, was the ability to make an improperly prepped car look much more acceptable. I've seen some results fromZaino users and they have been as good as anything I've seen, so we know it's not the product. It just appears to me that the NXT provides more margin for error and is a less expensive alternative that will make a car look good if a top notch effort isn't put into the car to begin with.
I've never used Zaino, but I believe it to be a fine product and I also feel the NXT is a fine product. They both have their niches in the marketplace. The great thing about personal or professional detailing, is there are a multitude of choices available and each can give some very nice results. Scottwax proves that everyday when he posts one of his details and very seldom is the same process and product used, but the results are all very similar.
I've never used Zaino, but I believe it to be a fine product and I also feel the NXT is a fine product. They both have their niches in the marketplace. The great thing about personal or professional detailing, is there are a multitude of choices available and each can give some very nice results. Scottwax proves that everyday when he posts one of his details and very seldom is the same process and product used, but the results are all very similar.
Bill D
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94BlkStang said:
Very well said :up
sw20_og said:Interesting find on the Meguiars forum (not sure if this is a repost):
Meguiars Forum (go halfway down the page)
This picture just makes me think of the typical non-Autopian Zaino user....we all know one, don't we? It's usually someone who heard about Zaino's magical powers in the online car club of their choice.
My boss drives a Dodge Viper, that he washes maybe once every 3 months, with a grocery store foam sponge, and old nasty rags for drying. It's never been clayed or polished. The paint looks like hell to me, but he'll proudly say "I use Zaino!!"...as if that makes all of the damage he's done to the paint just vanish.
I'm glad that Meguiars has made a decent product that can temporarily mask the damage this type of person can create.
But on a properly maintained surface, Zaino is still a powerful product.
imported_BretFraz
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94BlkStang said:
This is a good point and an important one. Just about any wax or polish will make your car look better. Buy a $1.99 bottle of wax from the dollar store, apply it to your car, and it will look better. There is absolutely nothing special in that.
I don't know if any "errors" were made by that Vette owner (doesn't matter at this point) but the bottom line is every product on the market has a competitive edge over every other product on the market. The edge NXT has over some of its competitors is that it's an inexpensive store bought product that will provide good results with little effort. For many car owners, that's enough.
ok, I just read the thread about the above black vette, and I had to comment again.
Mike doesn't explain to the owner exactly why his paint looks so horrible, or how to fix it...he just has him quickly cover the mess with some NXT so that he can stand over it and say demeaning things about Zaino. Meanwhile, the poor guys paint is still awful underneath.
Whatever happened to explaining to the guy how to REMOVE the swirls, and then protect it...as Mike use to do, instead of just taking the opportunity to bash an obviously mis-used product?
Mike doesn't explain to the owner exactly why his paint looks so horrible, or how to fix it...he just has him quickly cover the mess with some NXT so that he can stand over it and say demeaning things about Zaino. Meanwhile, the poor guys paint is still awful underneath.
Whatever happened to explaining to the guy how to REMOVE the swirls, and then protect it...as Mike use to do, instead of just taking the opportunity to bash an obviously mis-used product?
Bill D
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ShadowMan said:
:bow
chadder007
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I put just NXT on my car without much prep...just wash and clay bar and wash again....then the NXT. Still had the swirlies for a brand new black car. So ive got on order some Meguiars #80 Speed Glaze.
chadder007
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BTW....how long had it been since that guy put on the 12 coats of Zaino??? IB 6 months.
prep is always 95% of the finishes apperance no matter what lsp is used we all know that guys With zaino your gona have a optically perfect swirled finish, and with nxt your going to get a deep wet swirled finish. On that vette anyways. However I am looking forward to seeing a comparision of zaino and nxt on a perfectly prepared finish.
With zaino your gona have a optically perfect swirled finish, and with nxt your going to get a deep wet swirled finish. On that vette anyways. However I am looking forward to seeing a comparision of zaino and nxt on a perfectly prepared finish.Mike_Phillips
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ShadowMan said:
ShadowMan,
You're wrong. I did explain to him that his finish needed much more than a quick coat of wax, it need to be thoroughly cleaned using a product like the #83 DACP with either a rotary buffer or porter cable dual action polisher.
After the demonstration, we brought the car back in and I did my best to teach he entire group how to use the PC correctly. I then gave Chuck some hands on lessons and then turned him loose. We didn't have the time to do a full blown detail on his car, by this time, many of the members were caravaning to somewhere else, and I had another Corvette to work on. The owner didn't have the time necessary to completely remove all of the cobweb effect and he knew he didn't. What he did do was as much as he could before he left. He also commented to me that his understood that he needed more experience and time with the PC to get better results. This was his first time.
In all my classes, I focus on getting clay, paint cleaners, polishes and waxes as well as a variety of products into the attendees hands. I always tell them that, I already know how to use these products, what's important is while they're there, and there is someone to show them or answer questions, that they get their hands on the products and tools and use them first hand.
This is very important to me, and I really do try my hardest to get people to join in and get their hands dirty.
Mike
Mike_Phillips
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BradE said:
Read my response to Shadowman.
Mike
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chadder007 said:BTW....how long had it been since that guy put on the 12 coats of Zaino??? IB 6 months.
I don't now about the previous coats, but he did tell me that he put the last coat on approximately 2 weeks ago and the car has only been out of the garage one time since then and never washed since then.
Mike
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94BlkStang said:I think this thread has gotten a little off target. I didn't look at this as a "Zaino isn't worth the money and NXT is superior test". It's obvious the Vette wasn't very well prepped and thus the Zaino showed the defects.
What I saw from the NXT, was the ability to make an improperly prepped car look much more acceptable. I've seen some results from Zaino users and they have been as good as anything I've seen, so we know it's not the product. It just appears to me that the NXT provides more margin for error and is a less expensive alternative that will make a car look good if a top notch effort isn't put into the car to begin with.
I've never used Zaino, but I believe it to be a fine product and I also feel the NXT is a fine product. They both have their niches in the marketplace. The great thing about personal or professional detailing, is there are a multitude of choices available and each can give some very nice results. Scottwax proves that everyday when he posts one of his details and very seldom is the same process and product used, but the results are all very similar.
I think you hit the nail on the head with your observations.
A careful reading will reveal that my original post states that I didn't know what wax the owner of the car was using until after I picked it out of the crowd to demonstrate on. I almost didn't use the car because I knew it would end up in a ruckus like this. But... I decided what the heck, I'll let other people apply the Tech Wax and then let them see the results. That's what we did. Are Autopians saying I shouldn't have let the members of CorvetteForum do the demonstration? Or that I should have kept the pictures hidden on my hard drive?
If any of you serious enthusiasts would have been in my shoes, what would you have done?
I don't know how many of you follow the write-ups I post to Meguiar's Online after we hold a detailing clinic, but I try to always pick a car out of the car available to demonstrate on. This clinic was no different.
I think 94BlkStang hit the nail on the head when he wrote,
I would add that in my experience, the Tech Wax also performs well when proper prep work is first performed, just like any products.
At the same time, 12 coats on a garage kept car, swirls or no swirls, the richness, depth and gloss just weren't there. I did take the liberty to point out that while some argue that products that change the color of paint is a negative thing, everyone there admitted that the NXT side looked deeper, darker and richer and that these kind of results not only looked better, but it's the kind of results they would like to see on their car's finish.
Mike
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Bill D said:The act of layering doesn't have to be anything more than purely fun
BIG TIME ditto
imported_memnuts
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This comparison is probably the reason why Zaino is only available by internet. Joe "I-have-no idea-what-prep-is" would get this type of result and blame the Z and especially Z5 for not eliminating his " I-have-no idea-how to wash-or-care-for a black-car" paint. He'll go and buy a cleaner sealant like NXT and think the world of his results. Well maybe until the next wash or 2 and the reality of his surface's real appearance comes shining (excuse the pun) through.
Never used Zaino but can analysis the complexity of it's usage. Wipe on, allow to dry and buff off. Real complicated? :nixweiss
Detailing 101. Prep is everything.
It extremely sad the Mike P posted such a deceiving picture for product comparison. Apple and oranges
A cleaner wax/sealant verses a "pure" protectant.
Quite a bottom feeder post for a good company that has a excellent product for the weekend warrior or someone that needs a one-step product that covers/fills surface marring for a short period of time.
This is not a defense of Zaino but a statement about the unfairness of the comparison. No pure protectant manufacturer can protect himself from the mis-use of their product. Applying Zaino,SG and similiar type products to a non-prep surface is mis-use. JMHO
Toyo98 said:
Never used Zaino but can analysis the complexity of it's usage. Wipe on, allow to dry and buff off. Real complicated? :nixweiss
Detailing 101. Prep is everything.
It extremely sad the Mike P posted such a deceiving picture for product comparison. Apple and oranges
A cleaner wax/sealant verses a "pure" protectant.
Quite a bottom feeder post for a good company that has a excellent product for the weekend warrior or someone that needs a one-step product that covers/fills surface marring for a short period of time.
This is not a defense of Zaino but a statement about the unfairness of the comparison. No pure protectant manufacturer can protect himself from the mis-use of their product. Applying Zaino,SG and similiar type products to a non-prep surface is mis-use. JMHO
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