The power of NXT over 12 layers of Zaino on black C5

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rjstaaf said:
Rather arrogant of you Brad to paint everyone on MOL with one broad brush. Maybe I am misinterpreting what you mean by Mike's cheerleading section but, sure sounds like you mean MOL to me. Maybe you can clarify what you mean.



To steal your quote



"Same crap, new day"



Your kidding right? Please tell me your kidding. MOL is not a cheerleading section? My sides are hurt I'm laughing so hard. MOL is nothing more than a group of Mequiars users singing the praises of Meguiars Products and poorly representing every other product out on the market.



Mequiars users throw the word "zealot" around alot but there is no ZOL.
 
Scott P said:
I've searched high and low on the Zaino website. The only prep they mention is a Dawn Wash and a clay bar. How can the average Zaino user come to the conclusion that there is any other prep required?



Yup that's all I ever did using Zaino,I always figured anything else would screw up the whole Zaino thing.That's why I came here to learn,the first few ?'s I asked were what I could use with Zaino and not effect the whole bonding deal.I got caught up in the whole Zaino thing and was afraid to put anything else on the finish.It is a good marketing strategy.
 
Mike Phillips said:
You know, if you read what I wrote, I tried to make it pretty clear, I didn't know what was on the car until after we selected it for the demonstration.



That's not the way it reads on MOL. You said, "Next up, our attention was focused on removing the swirls and restoring a rich, wet-looking high gloss finish to this black C5. The owner of the Corvette told us that he had over 12 layers of Zaino on his car..<snip>....when viewed up close, the finish is on the dull and hazy side because of the thousands of swirls in the finish. The black paint has what people call a plastic or plasticy look and lacks clarity and richness."



There were four (4) before photos, including the final photo that was captioned with this interesting comment: "Here's a dramatic before shot taken with my Sony camera which tends to capture cobweb-effect and buffer swirl better than my Cannon."



So it sounds to me like the car was improperly prepped before it ever got the Zaino treatment. As anyone with any experience with a true last step polymer will tell you, a LSP does not contain fillers or abrasives - the two items necessary to hide or remove swirls.



The test wasn't' a comparison about prep work. I was a demonstration to show the effects of NXT Tech Wax on a car that looks dull, hazy and filled with swirls.



Then the "test" was flawed, IMHO. You're comparing apples and oranges. One product is a non-abrasive, non-filling, synthetic protectant. The other is a cleaner wax with fillers. Or is it? I can't really keep track of it anymore, since when it was first released we were told it has "no cleaners - none/nada/zip," but then we were told it has "very sleight abrasives," and then we were told it has "no abrasives" just "highly specialized chemical cleaners." So, you'll understand my confusion.... I've never seen a product go through so many complex transformations in a matter of 4 months.





Most cars need prep work, but not all owners know how to do it, they might not want to do it, depends on their skill level and interest. For whatever reason, the owner bought off on the idea of layering Zaino on the finish he had.



So when a customer uses a product wrong, it's the product's fault? Ugh. But that's right, this wasn't a thread to "pick on Zaino."



12 layers of Zaino didn't look good on his garage kept Corvette.



12 layers of any non-abrasive, non-filling product would look like crap on any garage-kept car that had buffer burn on it. To me, it sounds like you're trying to insinuate that the Zaino either caused the swirls or it couldn't get rid of them. I agree with the latter b/c it's what I've said from the first day I tested the stuff - it's no cleaner and it isn't a filler.



1 layer of NXT Tech Wax restored a rich looking, more swirl free finish. The owner loved the way it made his car look and everyone there thought it looked better.



As any good, cleaner wax should. But, if it removes swirls, doesn't it contain an abrasive? And if it has an abrasive, should I be using it every month or so?



Now everyone is trying to blame the reason the 12 layers of Zaino didn't look good on lack of good prep work and it was an unfair comparison.



Should I have looked for a black Corvette in excellent shape to demonstrate on?



Well, if you wanted to do a fair, objective comparison, you'd pick two products that were somewhat similar to one another. To me, the comparison showed that abrasives and fillers will do an excellent job of removing and hiding swirls. Now, given NXT's (lack of) durability, I wonder how long those results will last? Being as it's a garage queen and all, they should last for quite a while, and I'm sure the owner will be happy.



Finally, I'm a little confused by one comment/comparison. In one spot, you said the finish was dull and hazy, yet in another you said it was plastic or plasticy looking. The "plastic" shine that people comment on usually refers to the finish being candy-like and too bright/reflective. I'm confused as to how it could be both dull and shiny at the same time.
 
Mike Phillips said:




Are you saying I shouldn't demonstrate on dully, hazy swirled out black Corvettes?



What would you do? Only pick cars in excellent shape to demonstrate on? Only pick cars that have Meguiar's on them to demonstrate on?





Mike





What I am simply stating is that the comparison product should not have been mentioned. The improvement shown by your demo did not require the unfair comparison to ANY product. If what you were demostrating was the ease of surface marring correction and appearance improvement by the usage of NXT that was accomplished. This said results should have been universally applied to any surface requiring enhancement. The choice of the demo vehicle and what protectant it had on it was completely irrelevant to your demo. By mentioning the said product was crossing the line. That was the error. Not the test itself.

Again a wonderful product like NXT, which can stand on its own where it has positioned itself in the detailing world is being overshadowed with an ill-conceived comparison test.
 
317indy said:
But he didnt bring it onto this site! Someone else brought it to Autopia from the Meguairs Forums.



So we can't talk about it?





Also, one final thought:



How do you think P21S, Glanz, Souveran or Paste Glaze, or even #20 or #26 would do in a similar test?
 
It doesnt make sense to be making assumptions against Mike Phillips or whatever his name is when he clearly didnt want it on here. Even when he posted about it on the Meguairs Forums he didnt even list it as the VERY TOP subject, instead he posted it near the end and never spouted off about Zaino's products.



Diffrent Strokes for Diffrent Folks, some like Zaino some dont. Get off of your high horses and take a chill.
 
Geekysteve worded the same thoughts I have beautifully. The whole reaction would probably have turned out a little different if some caveats about the nature of Zaino and NXT were made first before getting into the results of the "test"/"comparison"
 
317indy said:
But he didnt bring it onto this site! Someone else brought it to Autopia from the Meguairs Forums.



Irrelevant. Mike acknowleged, documented, and posted the comparison. All highly visible posters, regardless of the location of the original post, realize and understand how quickly a post such as this will propagate through the other forums.
 
317indy said:
It doesnt make sense to be making assumptions against Mike Phillips or whatever his name is when he clearly didnt want it on here. Even when he posted about it on the Meguairs Forums he didnt even list it as the VERY TOP subject, instead he posted it near the end and never spouted off about Zaino's products.



Diffrent Strokes for Diffrent Folks, some like Zaino some dont. Get off of your high horses and take a chill.



I think you need to checkout MOL... the teaser is on the front page under the group picture of the corvette group.
 
geekysteve said:
So we can't talk about it?





Also, one final thought:



How do you think P21S, Glanz, Souveran or Paste Glaze, or even #20 or #26 would do in a similar test?



Nobody ever said that NXT was better than Zaino it just so happend that a Zaino guy whom didnt know anything about detailing was lured in by all of the bandwagon naysayers and improperly detailed his Corvette and went to a Meguairs Detail Day or whatever they are called, and learned that his car was not normal looking.....



However I say that ANY product used on one side or the other would have turned the same way. He just ADDED yet another layer of fresh/wet wax compared to a week old wax and very swirled surfaced car.
 
dternst said:
I think you need to checkout MOL... the teaser is on the front page under the group picture of the corvette group.



Now that is some BS. A company with quality products doesn't need to bash another company. It's products should speak for themselves. Bad call Mike...Barry should spank your hand.:nono
 
317indy said:
Nobody ever said that NXT was better than Zaino it just so happend that a Zaino guy whom didnt know anything about detailing was lured in by all of the bandwagon naysayers and improperly detailed his Corvette and went to a Meguairs Detail Day or whatever they are called, and learned that his car was not normal looking.....



The same thing would have happened if he had jumped on the NXT bandwagon. He would have had an improperly prep'd NXT finish...
 
ZaneO said:
The same thing would have happened if he had jumped on the NXT bandwagon. He would have had an improperly prep'd NXT finish...
Exactly! However the fact remains he jumped on the Zaino bandwagon and was still was uneducated, but to no thanks of Zaino.
 
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