8 Way Paint Sealant Test

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JuneBug said:
...hoping one of the kids' ##&%$@# cats will break his friggin neck sliding off the top!
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No, they just mar it worse if you have a fresh coat of slick wax. The cats are NOT allowed in my garage!! :bat
 
David Fermani said:
The center sections of all the horizontal panels have no protection and are beading similar to the protected panels. Very good point, I'm glad this was brought up.
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Interesting, definitely switch wash soaps if possible. Megs #00, Griots?, FK1 1119?, Dilluted Dawn, Ultima Wash?



The FK1 1119 would probably work well, its a neutralizing step used in their decon kit, I doubt if it has any glossing/wax charecteristics.



The only wash I have that could be considered is DG 902, however, it claims to leave something behind. If it were suitable, I'd definitely send you a pint or so.
 
NSXTASY said:
Interesting, definitely switch wash soaps if possible. Megs #00, Griots?, FK1 1119?, Dilluted Dawn, Ultima Wash?



The FK1 1119 would probably work well, its a neutralizing step used in their decon kit, I doubt if it has any glossing/wax charecteristics.



The only wash I have that could be considered is DG 902, however, it claims to leave something behind. If it were suitable, I'd definitely send you a pint or so.
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Thanks for the offer. Of the soaps you listed, will any of them deminish the sealant's longevity?
 
Meg's 00 is probably the safe bet. It may not be very easy to find. It is out of their pro line and used to be recommended because there were no ingredients (silicones) that could cause fisheyes.

Most washes have something in them to "leave a shiny finish". I agree the choice of wash will affect your test but it is all relative if they all are washed with the same product. Lets face it the enironment is a big variant and how a sealant performs in Texas will be different from Alberta and that will be different from Alaska.
 
David Fermani said:
Thanks for the offer. Of the soaps you listed, will any of them deminish the sealant's longevity?
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They shouldnt, well, I guess the nature of washing probably does a bit to diminish any LSP to an extent.



If you cant find Megs 00 locally, I am sure I could find some and ship it out.



I wish I had more of the FK1 1119, I'd send that stat.



Also, I bet pinnacle bodywork shampoo would work well, I dont think it leaves anything behind, I just ran out.
 
Here's how they describe Megs 00:



A gentle cleansing is guaranteed as the active lubricators loosen dirt and drench the surface in lavish moisture. Refined, mild detergents pull grease and grit safely away from the paint. And water sheets off the slick surface, leaving a glistening canvas of a mirror-smooth finish--ready to bond with any new treatments your surface requires.



You won’t need to wax every time you wash (as long as you’ve been using a quality wax, like Meguiar’s Hi-Tech Paste or Liquid Wax #26). The exclusive formula in Meguiar’s #00 Hi-Tech Wash guarantees the wax finish won’t rinse off with the suds. Your glossy finish is in careful hands with #00 Hi-Tech Wash.



Generous foaming bubbles, moisture-laden lubricators and no harsh detergents are the features that make Meguiar’s #00 Hi-Tech Wash the professional’s choice.



Sounds god to me.
 
NSXTASY said:
As soon as I saw the beading and the relative uniformity of beads from panel to panel, I suspected that something may be affecting the different sections uniformly.



I am not familiar with AM W&W, if I may suggest, I would switch to a soap that has little to no glossing/protective/wax/polymer properties. However, I dont necessarily know which soap would be the best.
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I agree, I think for this test a soap with no glossing agents or anything to enhance beading should be used.



Megs #00 seems ideal.
 
NSXTASY said:
Also, I bet pinnacle bodywork shampoo would work well, I dont think it leaves anything behind, I just ran out.
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I used Pinnacle Bodywork Shampoo for a long time (years) before switching to Meg's #62. IME the Pinnacle is mighty harsh on LSPs, sorta surprised me.



As most of the regulars here know, I now use Griot's exclusively. The Griot's does not have an appreciable effect on the KSG I use on the minivan; when I did the astounding (well, at least to me..the stuff just didn't die) durability test the Griot's simply didn't strip it. I can't imagine anybody going so long without correcting some marring anyhow, so washing with Griot's isn't really a durability factor IME (yeah, YMMV I suppose...).



On less durable sealants like UPP, the Griot's does do the diminish-the-slickness thing, but it doesn't actually compromise the sealant over a normal timespan (numerous washes) as best I can tell.



#00 is nice and gentle...sometimes *too* gentle, it doesn't even harm the dirt ;) Note that AFAIK it's only available in small bottes. #62 is pretty good stuff, but that DuraGloss sure gets raves from people I respect.
 
Accumulator said:
#00 is nice and gentle...sometimes *too* gentle, it doesn't even harm the dirt ;)
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Sounds good to me. As you might remember, my wash regiment includes powerwashing most of the dirt off prior to hand washing. Plus, being in Florida means that my vehicles won't get as dirty & oily.



I just picked up a bottle of #00 from one of Auto Geek's stores The Driver's Seat. They also gave me a sample of their Wolfgang wash. They claim it's just like #00. Is anyone able to confirm this?
 
David Fermani said:
Nope, not Dawn. I've been using Wash & Wax from Auto Magic. Does anyone think the results could be squed with this type of product? Any opinions or recommendations.
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Since all products are being washed with the same shampoo, any added protection will be equally distributed. Longevity will be skewed but this is a durability comparison test only and should be view as such, a comparison of durability with equal conditions.

:goodjob
 
I switched over to Meg 00 car wash soap. I've washed twice with it so far and the entire car (even unprotected sections) is still beading & looking pretty much the same. Slickness has deminished considerably. The paint isn't rough by any means, it's just not soft like it was initially. Unprotected sections are just as shiny/clean/unmarred as the rest.



I did notice Zaino doesn't roll off the hood like ball bearings like it use to during a rain storm. Still beads very nice (like all the others).
 
Probably at the 3 month mark which is in a couple more weeks. That way I can wash it a few more times to get better comparison. I like studing the beading from rain water better than from the hose. More natural looking. I'll try to catch it right after a rainstorm.
 
Ive noticed that too. Rain water always beads ALOT better than water from the hose. Im sure it has something to do with all the chemicals they use in the water.
 
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