Souveran to a haze before buffing

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Last night I started my topping of Poorboy's EX with Pinnacle Souveran. I thought I would alter the normal application procedure of wipe-on / wipe-off wet. I had noticed that once before I allowed the Souveran to haze by accident ( telephone call) and the surface appeared brighter and wetter.:nixweiss

So I did the entire vehicle using the slight hazing technique ( done indoors) and I did detect a improvement in gloss and wetness. Wishful thinking?:nixweiss . I have noticed in the past that Souveran looks better ( if that's possible) the next day after sitting in the garage. Curing? This 24 hour improvement seems to have taken place immediately when Souveran is allowed to haze prior to buffing.

MF removal of the hazed was effortless.

Has anyone experienced this phenomena with Souveran? P21S?

:wavey







Poorboy's EX x 5 + Souveran x 1 = :shocked

Can not wait to add another layer of Souveran and than maintain with weekly P21S.
 
blkZ28Conv, you now have made me curious!! I need to know(the weather is still too cold/wet to do a full detail following the winter).
 
Poorboy said:
I see you had no problem putting the products together:up
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From my experiments EX takes on Souveran and P21S like a duck to water. Perfectly compatible without loosing the positives points of either product. There appears to be a synergy and / or titration appearance ability. Want a little more wetness or depth, both not required for a great appearance, top with Souveran. Want a little more"POP" top with P21S. Both of these unneeded goals can probably be achieved by just adding more coats of EX but a single application of P21S or Souveran will also. Is the difference even "real", measurable or detectable?:nixweiss



So far I have found EX to be a very versatile product. One willing to satisfy my appearance desires and at the same time my detailing whims.:xyxthumbs



ashsarna,

Hopefully, Spring will reach your locale on time ( ~3 weeks) and you can verify how much fun EX is to work with and the appearance positives or negatives ( surface "must" be prepped ( claying, SMR, polishing, cleansing, etc). EX has no polishing / cleansing ability from my testing).
 
I have let both Souveran and P21S haze and noticed similar results; the wax seems to last longer, too. I think the two techniques yield slightly different looks, too. Removing the residue quickly, IMO, makes for a more glossy look, while letting it haze gives more of a glass like appearance. Yet, both have qualities of the other. I never noticed any more of an effort for removal, either.
 
RobD said:
I have let both Souveran and P21S haze and noticed similar results; the wax seems to last longer, too. I think the two techniques yield slightly different looks, too. Removing the residue quickly, IMO, makes for a more glossy look, while letting it haze gives more of a glass like appearance. Yet, both have qualities of the other. I never noticed any more of an effort for removal, either.
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I thought maybe I was really loooooosing it. ;) Some changes are very subtle but can be detected. So my imagination has not completely taken over.:o
 
blkZ28Conv,



So, you have found some hidden secerets about Souveran! :bow



At this point I have gone back to just Souveran or alternating Souveran and P21S every week or so. I will have to try the Souveran Haze Technique.



Keep up the experimenting and testing you mad scientist! :D



Cheers,

My Black 7 Series
 
Yes you are definitely a mad scientist....but all the better for finding a perfect recipe for others.



Keep it up ..:D
 
While we're on the subject, I've also tried working Souveran thoroughly into the paint. What happens is, the applicator (I use Meg. foam) starts moving with very little effort, almost as if you applied and then started removing in one step. The feel/look reminds me of machining a polish or glaze to nothing, with very little residue to remove. I don't notice much of a difference in final appearance compared to the standard way, but if you're looking for another application method to play around with...
 
blkZ28Conv said:
I thought maybe I was really loooooosing it. ;) Some changes are very subtle but can be detected. So my imagination has not completely taken over.:o
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RobD & blkZ28:



This is one hell of a discovery!! LoL Thanks for sharing it with us! Definitely gonna try it out this weekend.



I would imagine at this point, buffing might actually be easier with cotton than MF?
 
I found no change in the effort of removal of the hazed Souveran. This trial was done indoors (garage) with a temp of 65-70*. I used MF's for buffing and applied a thin coat of Souveran.

I applied wax on one section at a time. I QD'd the next section in preparation while the waxed section hazed. I followed this procedure until vehicle was completed.





AMP99

I like that...

"The Souveran Haze Technique" :bow.

Maybe Intel's "friend" who left wax on his trunk for a week was onto something?:nixweiss ;)
 
blkZ28Conv,



TSHT = The Souveran Haze Technique. Another Autopia acronym for the records, as discovered by blkZ28Conv! :bow :xyxthumbs



Keep posting the results of your new chemistry!



Cheers,

My Black 7 Series
 
How long are you waiting before buffing off the Souveran??? I have some Souveran and would like to give this a try.
 
Pats300zx,



I believe blkZ28Conv said he was waxing and was interrupted by a phone call. I would guess letting it haze for 2 to 10 min. would probably work. Give it a try and let us know how it worked out. :D



Cheers,

My Black 7 Series
 
AMP99 is right on the money, I let it sit up to 10 minutes depending on the weather, but it's usually less. Also, these waxes (Souveran, P21S) don't haze like a cheap carnauba wax, it's a soft haze. Now, I've used this technique for years without a problem, however, I wouldn't let these waxes sit for hours, removing them might be a bear and/or the finish may not be even.
 
I read this thread and had to give it a shot. I applied the Souveran to the front fender and then moved down to the door. Looked over, and still not an offical haze yet. I moved down and did the rear fender and by the time I had finished it, the front fender was beginning to haze, so I went back and wiped it down with a MF towel. I QD'd all the panels first with FI. Tomorrow when the sun comes out I'll take a more illuminated picture, but I couldn't help snapping this one in the Texas sunset.....
 
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