Optimum Car Polish and ShoKar Twins

Ed Hartman said:
In my opinion the thread would have been better off leaving Klasse and Zaino out of comparisons. You know, common sense tells you the minute two of the most popular products are mentioned in comparison the can of worms is open. Its like pouring blood in the sea and not expecting sharks. Use any adjectives you want to describe the product but leave the K AND Z out of it and the thread would have gone much smoother.



I would agree except that this product was apparently developed as direct competition to Klasse and Zaino. Since that is the case, I think it is appropriate to contrast and compare between the three.



1. Shokar is a two step system like Klasse with a mild cleaner and acrylic sealant.



2. It has a very clear and wet look, very much like Z2 Pro.



3. The sealant is as easy to apply and remove as Z2 Pro and much easier to apply and remove than SG.



4. It is very slick, much like both SG and Z2 Pro.



5. Personally, I don't particularly care of the look of any of the three on black, just too bright looking, IMO. ;)



The one question mark for me is durability. 7 weeks just isn't enough time especially when SG and Z2 Pro are legendary for their durability. I think that is going to be the real test to see if Shokar is a worthy competitor and we won't really know that until this summer.



As far as what Chris from eShine has said, since I don't know the true make-up of any of the three products, I don't know if what he is saying is correct or not. I would think, however, that he wouldn't send a product he really believed in to anyone on Autopia if he didn't personally feel was an excellent product. I had never had any contact with him until he PMed me asking if I would like to try an new sealant system that may be coming to the market. What am I going to say? No, I don't want to try new products? Get real.



My samples sat on the shelf after I tested them on my washing machine, not because they came across initially as bad products but I didn't have any new pads and didn't want to contaminate the results by using a pad that had remnants of other product that wouldn't wash completely out of the pad. Besides, it was Christmas rush and I just didn't really feel like experimenting. I then saw Anthony's review and he seemed really happy with the product. Based on his client base and excellent skills, I took that as a good sign and decided to try it myself. The Shokar polish to me, at least on paint in good condition seem to be the equal of AIO in both cleaning ability, appearance and ease of use. The sealant gives me Z2 Pro looks without mixing in an accelerant and is much more user friendly than SG. What is not to like about that?



Those who want to try it will, and I suspect the majority will really like Shokar. Will it be considered on par with Klasse and Zaino? If the durability is as good, I suspect it will. Does that mean those who really like Klasse and Zaino will completely switch? Maybe, maybe not. I can't take the sealant plunge on black for my own car, no matter how good the product is. For example, Shokar, Klasse and Zaino just don't make black paint look the way I personally like it to look, so I'll be sticking with carnaubas or a carnauba blend sealant like EX. On all other colors though, I am really happy with Shokar's appearance and performance to this point.



As far as vendor participation, I am fine with it provided they aren't coming here making outrageous claims and hawking their products. I do appreciate them answering questions about their products though.
 
petraidm said:
I bought OCW from the OCW Site. While I won't say it was a complete waste of money, it by far, is NOT my favorite product. I was not impressed by the resulting slickness of the finish



I like OCW but I don't love it. Where it fits in for me is a between waxing refresher.
 
A valid argument Scott. To play devils advocate, there are all kinds of products that will make paint in good condition look good. A dime a dozen. In carpet cleaning, I can use a wide variety of products to use on fairly clean carpet and get good results. The test tho is when you have to go after neglected and trashed carpet, then the selection narrows significantly. So a true to test say to compete with Klasse would be on neglected, oxidized paint. Then how does it stack up. Thats the test I want to see.
 
Ed-if I hadn't dropped my bottle of the multi-prep (aka SK version of AIO) and it hadn't shattered, I am sure I could test it out. When it becomes available and my stock of AIO runs low, I will order some. Since the sealant seems to work great over AIO, I don't see a reason to order the multi-prep right away.
 
RIC,



Thanks for the link. The gallon you bought says "Optimum Car Wax" on it?



Curious because I am trying to sort some things out. Thanks



Anthony
 
Anthony,



I see in that link from RIC there's an Optimum Compound listed under Optimum Polish I guess that's also coming out. Any info on this? Thanks.
 
Bill D said:
Anthony,



I see in that link from RIC there's an Optimum Compound listed under Optimum Polish I guess that's also coming out. Any info on this? Thanks.



Yeah, Kevin and David tell me that the Opt compund will be the Optimum polish makeup, which gives you long buffing time, very low dusting and cool temps but also being more aggressive.



They key here is to use 1, maybe 2, products instead of 4 or more. The more you work with one product the more familiar you beome with it, what it can and can't do, and Kevin (who helped design the OCP) went through 50 samples of the OCP before they were happy with the results. This speaks volumes to me as a professional detailer because it was created by a chemist who had direct input from another professional detailer, Kevin.



I am sure that the compound will be just as well planned out and thoroughly tested. I just spoke with Kevin a few minutes ago and bragged that I got the Optimum Polish (in its new quart size squeeze bottles) even before he did :woot:



I will try to do a better review of the OCP as soon as we dry out....I am getting ready to detail a boat just in case we get flooded:D



Anthony
 
Wait a minute,



I tried a sample of that SunX a while back through Professional Car Wash and Detailing Magazine. Sorry guys but if this is the same stuff, yep, RIC is absolutely right: really nothing special at all about it. Sure seems to be nothing more than any similar spray wax/booster type product off any shelf any automotive section would have.
 
I found my literature, and see now that this SunX product is made by Huey Chemical which is out of Clearwater,Fl. They make a variety of products including a "Bug Bloc" product similar to Pro's Bug Guard. This stuff is NOT made by Optimum. The two are not the same products and are made by two different companies.



Hope this clears things up.



* update 2/27/05 --It appears that indeed SunX and OCW are the same. Huey Chemical apparently sells it under the SunX name
 
RIC said:
http://www.moderncarcare.com/Articles/441expo.html (scroll down until you get to SunX)



The link there directs you to the Optimum Homepage. Why would SunX direct you to the Optimum homepage if it is not the same product?

You are correct RIC, I saw a thread (now deleted) in the Good Deals forum a while back on the Optimum Spray Wax. I can't remember the name of the vendor, but they said the gallon size was called SunX. Being a skeptic I e-mailed Optimum directly and they confirmed that the SunX brand (sold by Kleen Car) was their Optimum Spray Wax.



EDIT: I finally found the link I was looking for. Notice at the end of the description for Optimum Wax it says: "Please note: We sell the gallon size of the Optimum wax in the SunX brand. It is the same great product!"



http://www.car-detailing-store.com/html/compound_polish_wax.shtml
 
The plot thickens.............. :hm



SunX, Optimum or whatever else, this product of dual identities now seems to have, I wasn't impressed.
 
My only question on this, evidently, emotive subject is, why are products that aren't publicly available being publicly reviewed? :nixweiss
 
Alfisti said:
My only question on this, evidently, emotive subject is, why are products that aren't publicly available being publicly reviewed? :nixweiss



Optimum Car Wax is publicly for sale. You can buy it at Top of the Line, from Kleen Car and also Alisa's.



As for Optimum being formerly called and sold as "SunX"....so what?



It's the same product with a different name and in a different bottle. I have 4 gallons of the OCW in the SunX bottles....it's the SAME product, correct:confused:



How many use Meguiars plastic polish? Would you stop using it if you found out it's their furniture polish repackaged for car use? I doubt it. There are dozens of products out there from the same manufacturer or distributor that is the same product but being sold under several different names.



BillD-



Of course OCW is applied like other spray waxes but the key difference is the longer protection and the UV blockers. For weekend warriors this may not be a big deal as many of you love to rub on your cars but as a pro I can polish and wax a cartwice as fast with perhaps superior results. No wax in the crevices, no need to remove hazed wax which may cause minor scratching and it's layerable.



Also, how many here really interested in super long durability really let your cars go without waxing for anything longer than 3 months??



So if you all wish to not use OCW that's perfectly fine but to not use because it was once called SunX is, IMHO, rediculous.



Also here is the Huey Chemical link....they sell SunX but as far as I know they do did not create it. http://www.hueychemical.com/webstore/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=390



Thanks,

Anthony
 
Anthony,



Alfisti was obviously referring to Shokar and other products that are reviewed before being available.



Also, If you had read BillD's post you would have seen that he does not care what the product is named. He stated that he received a sample of SunX, tried it, and found it to be no better than any other off the shelf spray wax and I agree completely with his assessment.
 
I hope it's clear I'm not encouraging anyone not to use it because it is known as another product. That is rather silly and I'd be surprised if that is a barrier for anyone. Sounds like they just have the choice: OCW or SunX.



It was just a very rare occasion that I actually got to try a product under a different name, learned it's one and the same as another discussed and can now relate my own personal experience of it For me, it's just not "special" enough to go and order.Someone else with a different set of criteria might really find this product to be a godsend.



As with any product,anyone and everyone would need to try it for themselves and draw their own conclusions.
 
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