ONR, clay, Klasse AIO = seeking advice on my upcoming car cleaning

Would it make any sense for my bi-monthly ONR washes to use OID before drying the ONR, and then applying OCW or Hydro (rather than just applying Hydro as I dry)?



Optimum says:



"Optimum suggests using the Optimum Instant Detailer & Gloss Enhancer in conjunction with Optimum No Rinse Wash & Shine. Use No Rinse as usual but, before you dry the vehicle, spray on some Optimum Instant Detailer. It will create a super slick, incredibly glossy finish."



Or does the OID have to come after the OCW: "Use Optimum Instant Detailer & Gloss Enhancer to maintain the gloss and boost the protection of Optimum Car Wax"



Or am I just complicating things...



Thanks as always!
 
john1r- Can't really help with that as I don't use any of those products (really don't use ONR enough to offer advice other than that caveat I posted earlier).
 
What I've discovered with the OPT products you can go in just about any order. That said, I will OCW while drying sometimes and OID other in the same way but don't know that I've ever done both in the same wash. If I OCW, I often go back the next day (if it's not too dirty) and OID the whole car to get the best shine.
 
john1r said:
Or I am just that good (and you all give such good advice) that I just did a perfect job with the KAIO and 845? :)
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Well, I may have spoken too soon. Today was the first sunny day since my wash on Sunday so I wanted to go park outside of my apartment building garage and see how it looked in the direct sunlight. When I first when down to the garage and looked over the car it looked fantastic (felt really smooth too). However, once outside in the direct sun, and standing within about a foot of the car, I can see some residue/hazing/smudges/something... It's not awful, and is not noticeable when out of direct sun or from more than a foot away, but it's definitely there and noticeable close-up and in the direct sun. I did not see any of this on the day of the wash, but it was mainly overcast and I was in the shade when I did everything.



What are my best options at this point? I assume I can't buff it off at this point (at least not by hand)? I have some Meguiar's A3332 Quik Detailer Mist & Wipe Spray. Would that help at all? The car is still clean (just some dust which I can wipe off with a MF) as it hasn't been driven since my wash on Sunday. Or should I just leave it alone and when I do my next big wash the KAIO will remove the residue? If I do decide to leave it alone until my next big wash, will my monthly ONR/OCW or ONR/Hydro cause any issues?



And given that I do have this residue, what could I have done wrong when buffing in the first place? Could I have simply missed a few spots, had too much residue on the MF (I didn't think to go around the car just now to see if it was everywhere, but it was definitely on the hood and driver side doors, which if I recall correctly I did last), or did I do something else wrong? I know it's hard to answer this question but I'll take your best guesses.



Thanks for your further thoughts!
 
john1r said:
Well, I may have spoken too soon. Today was the first sunny day since my wash on Sunday so I wanted to go park outside of my apartment building garage and see how it looked in the direct sunlight. When I first when down to the garage and looked over the car it looked fantastic (felt really smooth too). However, once outside in the direct sun, and standing within about a foot of the car, I can see some residue/hazing/smudges/something... It's not awful, and is not noticeable when out of direct sun or from more than a foot away, but it's definitely there and noticeable close-up and in the direct sun. I did not see any of this on the day of the wash, but it was mainly overcast and I was in the shade when I did everything...
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Welcome to the world of genuinly Autopian concerns ;) In this world you need to somehow duplicate all relevant lighting conditions for proper inspection.



What are my best options at this point? I assume I can't buff it off at this point (at least not by hand)? I have some Meguiar's A3332 Quik Detailer Mist & Wipe Spray. Would that help at all? The car is still clean (just some dust which I can wipe off with a MF) as it hasn't been driven since my wash on Sunday.
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How much does it bug you? I wouldn't use that particular QD as I'd worry it might make things worse instead of better.



Or should I just leave it alone and when I do my next big wash the KAIO will remove the residue? If I do decide to leave it alone until my next big wash, will my monthly ONR/OCW or ONR/Hydro cause any issues?
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I myself would do a big wash and redo the KAIO/845. It'd just drive me nuts to have that issue...but that's just me and you might be different (which is perfectly OK no matter what the Autopian Conventional Wisdom says about "only perfection is satisfactory").



I'd fully expect the KAIO to resolve the issue *as long as it's just a product residue problem*. If it's somehow related to something else...well, you might be looking at a need to polish (hope not, but my crystal ball is foggy).



Plan to work a test spot, which you must then *thoroughly* inspect. Get that spot *perfect* with regard to this issue so you know what works. Then make 100% certain you apply that to the rest of the car (still inspecting it like crazy to make sure nothing goes wrong).
And given that I do have this residue, what could I have done wrong when buffing in the first place? Could I have simply missed a few spots, had too much residue on the MF (I didn't think to go around the car just now to see if it was everywhere, but it was definitely on the hood and driver side doors, which if I recall correctly I did last), or did I do something else wrong? I know it's hard to answer this question but I'll take your best guesses.
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My WAG is that yeah, it's related to excess product, loaded-up application/buffing media, and/or imperfect buff-off. And it underscores the need for optimal lighting/inspection conditions and techniques.
 
Accumulator said:
How much does it bug you? I wouldn't use that particular QD as I'd worry it might make things worse instead of better.
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It doesn't bother me that much so I'm inclined to just leave it, unless there's a reasonable (and safe) chance that a QD might help. Is there a better QD you would recommend?



Thanks again!
 
Hi again. I wanted to ask your thoughts on using something like 1Z einszett Paint Polish for my next big wash (instead of the KAIO), since I'll be topping with the 845 again anyway. I've done some more research and realize that an AIO probably isn't necessary if I'm using 845, and that the 1z would do a much better job cleaning the paint than the KAIO.
 
john1r said:
Hi again. I wanted to ask your thoughts on using something like 1Z einszett Paint Polish for my next big wash (instead of the KAIO), since I'll be topping with the 845 again anyway. I've done some more research and realize that an AIO probably isn't necessary if I'm using 845, and that the 1z would do a much better job cleaning the paint than the KAIO.
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The 1Z PP cleans differently since it's a somewhat mechanical cleaning due to the PP's abrasives. The 1Z PP oughta be a good choice; it sorta breaks down into a cleaner-wax. The abrasives aren't potent enough to really correct Audi clear, but they do a little something and the wax that the PP leaves behind will do a little filling too. The solvents in 845 don't seem to mess that up, but be a little careful about trying to apply the 845 in a gentle manner.



I used 1Z PP topped with 845 (then topped again with 476S and finished off with yet another coat of 845) on my beater-Audi ('94 V8 in pearl blue) and it worked out really nice.
 
Hi all. Couple more questions:



1. I'm also debating whether or not to use one of the earlier recommended products, SRP (since a friend can let me borrow some), instead of KAIO (already own) or 1zPP (which I'd have to buy). If I go with the SRP, what's the best way to apply it (1 panel at a time and wipe off, or do entire car and then wipe off)?



2. Kind of hijacking my own thread here and going off in a different direction, but what are your thoughts on the durability of the 845 vs. something like Menzerna Power Lock, Wolfgang Deep Gloss Sealant or BFWD? And/or is there any noticeable advantage to using one of these sealants and then topping with 845. I'm realizing that going forward it's definitely going to be at least 5 or 6 months in between a real wash/clay/polish/wax/etc... so I'd really like to get the longest protection I can. I'll do occasional ONR washes/spray wax to help keep it going, but will definitely not be doing real sealing/waxing that often.



Thanks again!
 
john1r said:
2. Kind of hijacking my own thread here and going off in a different direction, but what are your thoughts on the durability of the 845 vs. something like Menzerna Power Lock, Wolfgang Deep Gloss Sealant or BFWD? And/or is there any noticeable advantage to using one of these sealants and then topping with 845. I'm realizing that going forward it's definitely going to be at least 5 or 6 months in between a real wash/clay/polish/wax/etc... so I'd really like to get the longest protection I can. I'll do occasional ONR washes/spray wax to help keep it going, but will definitely not be doing real sealing/waxing that often.
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845 will outlast all of those sealants. The only thing that will give it a run for the money is FK1000P or Zaino.
 
Hmm... I have read that KAIO/KSG make a great, long-lasting combo (and I already have the KAIO).



In your experiences, do the 845/KSG/FK100P/Zaino (which Zaino by the way) all last about the same, give or take a little bit? Or have you gotten several weeks/months of extra, noticeable protection from one product in particular?



I guess what I'm asking is, given that I already have the 845, is there any substantial reason to buy another product? Or just wait until I run out of 845 (going to be a long time) and then try something new?



Thanks again!
 
Hey all, 2 quick follow-up questions:



1. Given that 845 goes on 'clear', how do you make sure that you've covered a whole panel evenly, especially when doing it in the shade or a not-so-well-lit garage?



2. Since I've already done my KAIO/845 (even though it only came out 'ok'), I'm thinking that this weekend I would just do another ONR wash, and then use some Optimum Spray Wax or Prima Hydro (which I can use before fully drying the ONR). Is this the 'correct' thing to do? i.e. I don't need to do a full KAIO or SRP and then 845 each time (this should only be done a few times a year and in between it's ok to just wash/spray wax)? Is there anything else I should consider doing at my smaller washes?



Thanks as always!



Thanks!
 
john1r said:
Hmm... I have read that KAIO/KSG make a great, long-lasting combo (and I already have the KAIO).



In your experiences, do the 845/KSG/FK100P/Zaino (which Zaino by the way) all last about the same, give or take a little bit? Or have you gotten several weeks/months of extra, noticeable protection from one product in particular?
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NO experience with Zaino.



845 usually gives very good durability, but sometimes it's merely fair. KSG needs to be heavily layered to last a long time IME. FK1000P is the best if you're only doing one coat, and seems to last (at least) as long as KSG ever will if layered (only done that on one vehicle so I'm not working with a lot of data here).



FK1000P sheds dirt/contamination like nothing else.



Heavily layered KSG protects like nothing else, like a plastic coating over the paint. Might even hide marring too...never did it for me but it sure does it for Yakky. But you gotta layer it and I don't mean just three or four coats.



I guess what I'm asking is, given that I already have the 845, is there any substantial reason to buy another product? Or just wait until I run out of 845 (going to be a long time) and then try something new?
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I'd stick with the 845 and see how it goes. Heh heh, that's another Curse of Autopia that you might oughta watch out for- the nagging feeling that you need to try something different even though there's no real reason to feel that way. If you *do* have a good reason, that's different, but I don't think you're anywhere near that point at present.
 
Thanks as always! I'll stick with the 845 for now unless I see some specific reason to change at some point.
 
john1r said:
Hey all, 2 quick follow-up questions:



1. Given that 845 goes on 'clear', how do you make sure that you've covered a whole panel evenly, especially when doing it in the shade or a not-so-well-lit garage?
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Go by feel, that tactile diff between "lubed/coated with wax" and "not". Other than that you just have to work *VERY* methodically. Hey, I do KSG so thinly that I absolutely can't see it...and that's on silver. If I can do that on a whole minivan you can do it just fine with 845, especially on a vehicle you really care about :D



2. Since I've already done my KAIO/845 (even though it only came out 'ok'), I'm thinking that this weekend I would just do another ONR wash, and then use some Optimum Spray Wax or Prima Hydro (which I can use before fully drying the ONR). Is this the 'correct' thing to do? i.e. I don't need to do a full KAIO or SRP and then 845 each time (this should only be done a few times a year and in between it's ok to just wash/spray wax)?
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That's fine and is, in fact, a good way to do it. No, you shouldn't need to redo the 845 for a good long time unless the ONR washes somehow mess with it, and even then you can just redo the 845. No need to redo the AIO/SRP until you're "starting over from scratch".



Is there anything else I should consider doing at my smaller washes?
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The wash-and-spray wax should be fine; all I do is wash and spritz on some leaves-stuff-behind QD (basically the same thing you're contemplating). I'd concentrate on dialing in a non-marring wash technique.
 
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