NXT vs Zaino?

Bence said:
I'd be curious of the beading comparo when the surface is washed. Based on Dave's pics, the NXT side will dry virtually spotless, and the other will be spotty.



:geez



FWIW, NXT might be the best product at preventing water spots because of its amazing lack of durability. My dad's 6 year old car didn't have any water spots (not waxed in 6 years) because the water just laid flat as well.
 
TH0001 said:
I don't understand this post either... NXT is a sealant (no wax in the product).



NXT V2 reminds me of the wolfgang deep gloss, a really oily sealant. It is called NXT Tech Wax, but I suppose Megs dumbs it down to avoid confusing consumers, as opposed to M21. Its definitely a sealant but it does, IMO, blur the line.



NXT and NXT2 were both dissapointing. As was UQD/135.



Stick with Z5 and Z8, I think you will find them more durable, slicker and arguably better looking/protective.
 
Less filling - taste great, Coke vs Pepsi, Kyle Busch vs anybody but Kyle! it goes back to find something you like using and stick with it. As far as I know, nobody here gets paid by Megs or Sal, so let's quit trying to convert each other, both are cheap enough to try and see for yourself what turns your crank.



Me - tried both and like Megs 21 2.0 better than NXT or Z2-5
 
TH0001 said:
Did you form your opinion after only using it once? Zaino is MUCH slicker for much longer then NXT (the orginal verison made it about 2 weeks in Florida, the new version does last almost twice as long, closer to 4 weeks).



I have seen Zaino outlast anything out there and NXT is one of the most underwhelming products I have tried (though I personally love the 'candy shell' look). Once I did have the original version make it past a month, it was kind of wierd.



I know you are a Meguiars fan (and that is cool because I was to) but to say you get anything but a lighter wallet is hillarous. When you said less slick surface, what product are you comparing it too?



Todd,



I'm reluctant to respond to you because the last time I did, in an apparent attempt to have an adult discussion you suffered from an internet meltdown and I really am not interested in being a keyboard warrior. So, instead of arguing with you, I'll respond to you by quoting you:



From Todd:



As far as understanding the thread, if you go to other detailing forums, you will see that many of those who are Zaino (amongst others) will constantly knock Meguiars for its supposed lack of durability. However, as I stated the last time I did anything to paint was over 6 months ago. The water STILL beads like crazy, the paint still looks great, ect...
Meguiars durablity stinks (just ask the Zaino boys) - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online



Although, I understand that you may have changed your opinion since you now have those fancy Zaino wash buckets. ;)



BTW, is my sample of dodo juice in the mail? :grinno:
 
User Name said:
Lest lil ole me gets accused of citing by an anomaly, I (again) will defer to Todd and his expertise...



From Todd:



Lmb06c6 - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online



But I digress...

I am going with the Zaino route -- the swirls I've always left up to the 3M Swirl Mark remover which has done an amazing job for me in the past. I never felt Zaino was in that market anyway :)



Besides, my wife's car is reasonably new so I'm hoping I don't see any swirls (but to be honest, I haven't really looked at it for them).
 
Hercules said:
I am going with the Zaino route -- the swirls I've always left up to the 3M Swirl Mark remover which has done an amazing job for me in the past. I never felt Zaino was in that market anyway :)



Besides, my wife's car is reasonably new so I'm hoping I don't see any swirls (but to be honest, I haven't really looked at it for them).



I'm sure it will be great! Many swear by it so they can't all be wrong.
 
Hercules said:
I am going with the Zaino route -- the swirls I've always left up to the 3M Swirl Mark remover which has done an amazing job for me in the past. I never felt Zaino was in that market anyway :)



Besides, my wife's car is reasonably new so I'm hoping I don't see any swirls (but to be honest, I haven't really looked at it for them).





I'd reccomend using ZPC for swirl removal. It doesn't have oils like the 3m swirl remover which will cause bonding issues with Zaino.
 
User Name said:
Todd,



I'm reluctant to respond to you because the last time I did, in an apparent attempt to have an adult discussion you suffered from an internet meltdown and I really am not interested in being a keyboard warrior. So, instead of arguing with you, I'll respond to you by quoting you:



From Todd:



Meguiars durablity stinks (just ask the Zaino boys) - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online



Although, I understand that you may have changed your opinion since you now have those fancy Zaino wash buckets. ;)



BTW, is my sample of dodo juice in the mail? :grinno:



So instead of answering my question you bring up threads of me having great luck with Meguiars?



Both #21 and #26 are great products, this thread is about NXT, so you threads are nothing more then misdirection. How about answering the question now, what basis do you have in saying that Zaino will give you a lighter wallet? Your one experience with it?



I have gotten anywhere between 3-6 months of durability out of #21 and about a top of 3 months out of #26. I have gotten 3 weeks out of NXT (which funny enough, so does everybody else on every forum everywhere, except MOL...wierd huh).



As far as a sample of Dodo Juice for your test, are you kidding me? I cannot even do that if I wanted anyways (sorry don't have near that much pull). Again you put sealants on top of oil based glazes and have used that to create a truely terrible test (which I wouldn't be suprised if NXT some how manages to beat out even Collonite in your great and fair test).



NXT has terrible durablity, but should perform better then a lot of the products in your test because it is a cleaner/wax, period.



Please answer how you have come up with the fact that Zaino isn't slick (considering that even its haters will say its slickness is as good as anything on the market) and all you get is a lighter wallet. Is this based on your experience creating tests or will you try (and fail) to discredit me further.



This forum is a learning forum but you shouldn't be allowed to post things with out backing up your statements. I backed up my statements (on thread where you said I had a melt down). I am not going to go into it further because I value my friends that work for Meguiars (who have apologized to me btw) more then your opinion of me.
 
Dear Todd:



Why are you so angry? Bad day behind the rotary?



I already said I'm not interested in arguing with you and your knowledge in the industry.



How about answering the question now, what basis do you have in saying that Zaino will give you a lighter wallet?



I believe I already answered it, but in case I did not, I used it once (even the part with using dish soap on my car). While I'm not a chemist and hardly very smart, I still managed to mix it properly (I think).



to create a truely terrible test



I will try harder next time but often an individual can't go beyond the limited abilities bestowed upon them by the almighty. Forgive my ignorance.



Please answer how you have come up with the fact that Zaino isn't slick
That is just what I found, what I felt. Unlike you, I don't have a Phd in chemistry or molecular biology, heck, I can barely read the back of a bottle of wax. However, I've actually read others come to the same conclusion and at least one pro has found the same (who we both know is much better than you ;))



to discredit me further
I NEVER discredited you. I used your words to discredit you, that means you discredited you. Get it? :dance



but you shouldn't be allowed to post things with out backing up your statements.



I'm not sure by what you mean "back up my statements". I'm not trying to write a thesis with accepted standards of scientific methodolgy. As I told you once before, dude, I just want to wax my car!



who have apologized to me btw
I'm glad, have you be reinstated?



more then your opinion of me.



Prior to this post, I really didn't have an opinion of you, frankly and I hope you don't get upset because Todd seems to think Todd is pretty great - but I don't really think about boys - pssst... I have a wife. In any event, what I now think is that you are soon going to start pushing Dodo Juice on the entire world.



Soon, I bet we're going hear how AMAZING it is from you, that it is *truly* untouchable. Heck, maybe you'll even show us some pictures of some doodoo juice on a hot Lamborghini. I can't wait!!! So exciting!



Thanks Toddy, you sure are a swell chap. ;)



Since you've made up with the chaps at MOL, maybe we can chat a bit over there also. :soscared:
 
Dear Todd:



Why are you so angry? Bad day behind the rotary?



I already said I'm not interested in arguing with you and your knowledge in the industry.



You are obviously not intrested in argueeing in logic and you are simply trying to get under my skin.





I believe I already answered it, but in case I did not, I used it once (even the part with using dish soap on my car). While I'm not a chemist and hardly very smart, I still managed to mix it properly (I think).



We all have opinions on products and IMO, nobodies is more important then anybody elses. Zaino is a difficult product to use but for a lot of people the results are worth the difficulty. To some people it isn't.



I will try harder next time but often an individual can't go beyond the limited abilities bestowed upon them by the almighty. Forgive my ignorance.



Not sure why the self depriciating attitude. The information (because of the internet and sites like this) is available. Please do not cite a lack of research and twist it. It is only what it is.



That is just what I found, what I felt. Unlike you, I don't have a Phd in chemistry or molecular biology, heck, I can barely read the back of a bottle of wax. However, I've actually read others come to the same conclusion and at least one pro has found the same (who we both know is much better than you ;))



I don't have a PHD in chemistry nor do I claim to. I do claim to research every product I use and I do claim to have my own opinions (some based on research, some based on opinion, some based on emotion).



As far as who is better then me, again this is a personal jab at me. I feel I am as good as anybody on the forum or in the world. This may come across as concieted but the truth is that if I did not believe in myself then I would not have the right to work on the cars I do nor would I have the right to ask my clients to pay for my services. I do believe that there are many great detailers that are my equal but I am just as confident that I can hold my own.



You are are more then welcome to your opinions of detailers skill and you may not like me (which is fine) but your responses are personal and that it is against the rules of this forum.



I NEVER discredited you. I used your words to discredit you, that means you discredited you. Get it? :dance



I don't get it because I do not feel that my words haven't been used against me. I like a lot of Meguiars products, I like a lot of products in general. This thread is about NXT vs. Zaino, and on all fronts I feel that Zaino (except appication) is a better product.

I do feel that NXT does fill more though.



I'm not sure by what you mean "back up my statements". I'm not trying to write a thesis with accepted standards of scientific methodolgy. As I told you once before, dude, I just want to wax my car!



If you "just want to wax your car" then why do you spend so much time on forums that go beyond waxing your car. I don't follow your logic, but that is fine. Maybe to personally call me out every chance you get?



I'm glad, have you be reinstated?



I could be but have no interest.





Prior to this post, I really didn't have an opinion of you, frankly and I hope you don't get upset because Todd seems to think Todd is pretty great - but I don't really think about boys - pssst... I have a wife. In any event, what I now think is that you are soon going to start pushing Dodo Juice on the entire world.



I am not worried about your opinion of me nor do I care if you have one. I think a lot of people on this forum are great (detailing wise) and I am confident I am as good as anybody. Yet everyday I learn from the people on here as they learn from me. Your next statement is speculation and insulting and against forum rules again. This thread is about NXT and Zaino and it should stay on that topic, please.



Also please do not call me a boy. I have heard you (at every chance) say that you are a lawyer which apparently gives you the ability talk down to car detailers. I am 28 years old, have a college degree, and a devoted father and husband. However you still feel you have the right to call me a boy? Stop being an internet tough guy. I would never make a statement like about you and would appericate if you did not make a statement like that about me.



Soon, I bet we're going hear how AMAZING it is from you, that it is *truly* untouchable. Heck, maybe you'll even show us some pictures of some doodoo juice on a hot Lamborghini. I can't wait!!! So exciting!



I must really be under your skin for you to make such terrible statements. I post my work on this forum and give honest opinions. I am proud of my work and proud of the general attitude that autopia has. If you don't like my work or the cars I do, then don't click on the threads. Otherwise your statement reads as childish and once again as a personal attack.



Thanks Toddy, you sure are a swell chap. ;)



Given the context of your thread, this is again a personal attack. I have questioned your methods and the results (which do not measure up against many others whom I trust) but I have not gotten personal. You continue to do so over and over.



Since you've made up with the chaps at MOL, maybe we can chat a bit over there also. :soscared



I have no interest in posting on Meguiars Online in the future. Please do not call me Toddy as that is not my name and again a further personal attack.
 
BigAl3 said:
hey todd, i was curious... do you not like megs or their products?



Hi Al, I do like Meguiars and a lot of their products. I used to soley use Meguiars (and have a great knowledge of their product line and what I feel its limitations are) for a while and have some good friends that work there.



As I progressed and evolved as a detailer I began using other product lines and found that I found a lot that are a better fit for me personally. Each product line (and each product) has pros and cons which is why there is no best, only shades of good (or bad).



For example



Z-PC from Zaino is terrible

NXT from Meguiars is terrible

OP from Optimum is terrible

Zymol Royale is terrible



These are my opinions only, just like everybody elses. Plenty of guys like ZPC, OP, Royale, whatever. However I do not see a lot of people who like the durability of NXT because it has almost been proven it doesn't last.



I would put #21 up against Zaino however, and while Zaino may last longer, #21 may look nicer (depending on the colors and the person viewing). I would choose Zaino but it wouldn't be a blow out. For the average guy this might mean #21 is the better choice for them (since Zaino is more difficult to use as a whole). However if I have to spend an additonal 20 minutes of time to get 1% improvement (in my eyes) that is fine. I already spent 20 hours polishing the paint to get a .5% improvement. My goal is do whatever I can to make sure that my cars (that I detail) cannot be improved further. And because of this I learn more with every detail that I do.



This thread was about specific products and I offered my opinion only.
 
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TH0001 said:
OP from Optimum is terrible



Funny that you say that (and I guess it make sense) because Sal told me once that OP is a very good polish that he personally liked.:bigups:xyxthumbs
 
USER NAME, why don't you go bug someone else's forum and leave ours alone. You are not even trying to contribute in any way other than to make personal attacks and childish insults against Todd and sarcastic remarks to others.



Todd does not need anyone to stand up for him but I felt this was enough to step in on my own. You are going to far and I want you to know that others are taking note of it and I as well as others will be contacting the administration in regards to your behavior.



I hope you have a nice time out and don't come back.:banned:



Josh
 
tdekany said:
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Funny that you say that (and I guess it make sense) because Sal told me once that OP is a very good polish that he personally liked.:bigups:xyxthumbs



Sorry but Sal does not say anything is any good unless it's Zaino.



"it's all crap"...... I believe that is his famous line. :chuckle:
 
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