NXT vs Zaino?

It seems to me in my personal view that #21 streaks about 7 months of the yr here in Florida. I got a small sample and try it this summer and it just streak and won't work for me. I'll give it another try in the winter months here and see if it will work for me. Some products work all the time and some don't here in Florida's humid climate. On the main subject NXT didn't last to long for me and Zaino lasted for a much longer time. This is my personal opinion from what i had seen and use over the yrs.
 
TH0001 said:
My understanding (and I have less then you) is that if product beads well for a couple weeks then looses the beading, something has chemically changed in the product.



It could also be the carriers in the product that allow it to be easier to apply and/or set up quickly. After a few weeks, they evaporate off and you get the true beading or sheeting of the actual product.
 
I myself use the NXT2.0, one of the things that hasn't been mentioned (or I missed) in the past 7 pages is its ability to blend with Meguiars Ultimate Quick Detailer. Therefore if the paint does get a spot or needs a quick refinish, just use some Ultimate quick detailer, and the finish is back to new....takes about 10-20 mins...



Never used the Zaino on my BMW, I guess somene once told me if it aint broke 'don't' fix it' so the NXT 2.0 until I find something vastly superior...which I don't believe anything on hte market currently is...



That is my 2 cents!
 
TH0001 said:
My understanding (and I have less then you) is that if product beads well for a couple weeks then looses the beading, something has chemically changed in the product.



In my experience, a degradation of beading has always been apparent with a degradation of surface slickness and looks. It seems to always go hand and in hand, and truthfully I have no other way to measure protection.



Todd, not much can change chemically in a layer of LSP after full curing. But we can not measure "protection" we just have to believe what chemist sayin'. :)



Surface slickness is a big HAHA with some coatings (Swedecoat, Bliss, etc) where the surface is squeaky, grabby and generally feels like bare paint - yet the water just jumps off it, and the look is outstanding.



#21 is quite sensitive to shaking, and even with a thorough shake it may smear on certain panels (especially permeable hoods). It was unstable earlier, as it was oiling out of the emulsion; "sweated" water. The two emulsion phases were modified later for better stability/storage/performance.

Mine is working great! But I deffo wanna try the 2.0s (NXT Paste & #21). Any surplus stuff? :D
 
Holden_C04 said:
Surface tension creates beading. How does water bead without protection present? I have no idea.



I don't know-paint beads doesn't it? Some who seem to be experts claim that the polymer is still there after the beading is gone and I've read that elsewhere. If that really is true why bother to add ingredients that produce beading:confused:
 
Scottwax said:
It could also be the carriers in the product that allow it to be easier to apply and/or set up quickly. After a few weeks, they evaporate off and you get the true beading or sheeting of the actual product.





Well, what I've read Mike Phillips claim about Meguiars is that those trade secret oils help hold the wax to the paint. After they evaporate away I'm not sure how well that wax will hold to the paint.
 
Adrenalin540 said:
Never used the Zaino on my BMW, I guess somene once told me if it aint broke 'don't' fix it' so the NXT 2.0 until I find something vastly superior...which I don't believe anything on hte market currently is...



Umm, if you'd never tried Zaino, how would you know if it was vastly superior or not? :think:



Not quite sure how you'll find anything better on the market if you're going to subscribe to the "if it aint broke 'don't' fix it' "(sic) adage.
 
Used most of these and find #21 2.0 to be my personal favorite. Great looks, and very decent durability. FWIW, I spend a good deal of time in Cape Coral, FL and don't see any streaking with this product either. In fact the version 2.0 seems to never streak for me in any heat or humidity.



I find NXT 2.0 to be very good as well. Much improved durability and I like the 'nuba look. Not saying either product will outlast Zaino but I do like the appearance of #21 2.0 and NXT 2.0 better.



As to durability, I last used #21 in April on my daily driver and NXT on my Garage Queen. Both still are slick and doing well. YMMV.
 
wannafbody said:
Well, what I've read Mike Phillips claim about Meguiars is that those trade secret oils help hold the wax to the paint. After they evaporate away I'm not sure how well that wax will hold to the paint.



No idea, but I am getting 3-4 months out of NXT2 (Based on slickness and appearance not present prior to application). Granted, it hasn't been too wet here in Dallas the past year, nor do we have acid rain issues.
 
Scottwax said:
No idea, but I am getting 3-4 months out of NXT2 (Based on slickness and appearance not present prior to application). Granted, it hasn't been too wet here in Dallas the past year, nor do we have acid rain issues.



I got four months on my last application of NXT 2.0 and still had wax on the paint, but chose to remove it because I got some Collinite 845, really liked it and did my entire car 50/50 with NXT 2.0 and Collinite.



The car is white so I could not notice ANY difference at all in appearance. When I first put them on, I noticed NXT 2.0 to be slicker, but going into week 2, they are identical in slickness.



As for long term, time will tell which lasts longer, but based on this use of Collinite 845 and my use of it in my 9 wax test, I would HIGHLY recommend it to anyone.
 
jfelbab said:
Used most of these and find #21 2.0 to be my personal favorite.



I read this a lot but I was under the impression that the only difference between the two (#21 2.0 and NXT 2.0) was that #21 was formulated for use with a rotary. Are there other differences?
 
User Name said:
I read this a lot but I was under the impression that the only difference between the two (#21 2.0 and NXT 2.0) was that #21 was formulated for use with a rotary. Are there other differences?



Don't think they are the same as the #21 2.0 is a lavender colored product and seems slightly thiner. The NXT 2.0 is an off-white color and is a bit thicker. As to appearance I can't tell the difference between them. Both have a darkening effect like #26 does, a 'nuba look IMO. I really like that look on my cars.



Durability seems about the same in my unscientific test. As I stated, I'm approaching 5 months on each vehicle and they both still look great. Again, one is a garage queen and the other a daily driver so you can't really compare durability for the two directly in my case. I like them both. I'll know more after I go through a winter with them.
 
Hm, I'm going to have to try NXT 2 and #21 2.0; so far the only thing I've found will go more than ~8-10 weeks on my car is Collinite 845 or 476s. Meg's #16 was close, Z2pro was close too. Everything else (Concorso, Vintage, Werkstatt, EX, Jetseal, Concours, OS, OCW, etc, etc, etc...) falls off pretty quickly. My car sees a lot of weird conditions.



Right now I have 476S on there, going on week 7 now and it seems as strong as day 1. I've been pretty happy with it so far.
 
I can say with certainty that NXT 2.0 and #21 2.0 out lives #16 and I really liked #16. I loved the beading even though it produced water spots. ;) It was quite durable. Both NXT 2.0 and #21 2.0 darken the paint more than #16 does. On my cars and to my eyes this darkening is an asset. I may just top one of the sealants with #16 and see what it does throughout our winter.
 
jfelbab said:
Don't think they are the same as the #21 2.0 is a lavender colored product and seems slightly thiner. The NXT 2.0 is an off-white color and is a bit thicker. As to appearance I can't tell the difference between them. Both have a darkening effect like #26 does, a 'nuba look IMO. I really like that look on my cars.



Check out this thread and post by Mike at MOL. NXT 2.0 and M21 2.0 same product?? - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online



It seems to indicate they are basically the same, other than use with the rotary.
 
As we all know looks are subjective. But the overall package looks and durability goes to Zaino hands down. Both 21 and NXT are nice products but.. for me they don't last nearly as long as Zaino. Out of everything I have tried only DG comes close. If some are saying NXT is better than Zaino then it must be better than OS and such since I think Zaino blows them away. I see the usual suspects are doing what they usually do.

I have no allegance to anyone since I buy all my products. I like a lot of different lines.

I love ONR , CG ONE, DWG/ EZC and CG WMF. Overall though for me Zaino is my go to.
 
Scottwax said:
Seems to go the other way too. :nixweiss



I think I've read claims that NXT2 is more durable than Zaino:think: But other places read that Zaino lasts for 9 months. Personally I can't get that length of durability but everything else I've tried fades faster than Zaino. Not a big deal if you live in mild climate.
 
wannafbody said:
I think I've read claims that NXT2 is more durable than Zaino:think: But other places read that Zaino lasts for 9 months. Personally I can't get that length of durability but everything else I've tried fades faster than Zaino. Not a big deal if you live in mild climate.



Pretty mild and dry here but Zaino outlasts NXT2 by at least a couple months. Just don't think it looks quite as good. Seems there is always a trade-off somewhere. Still waiting on the perfect LSP that looks better than anything else on all colors and lasts at least 6 months under all conditions. :xyxthumbs
 
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