NXT vs Zaino?

[Todd@RUPES]

:bigups:xyxthumbs



Funny that you say that (and I guess it make sense) because Sal told me once that OP is a very good polish that he personally liked.:bigups:xyxthumbs

He told me that he likes Collonite and OP. I disagree with him on the OP thing (personally it is more like Optimum filler for me). I like Collonite though.



Everything else is crap lol

 

[imported_JoshVette]

He told me over the phone - don't believe me?

I was being sarcastic, sorry I thought that was obvious.:wall:2thumbs:

 

[Holden_C04]

USER NAME, why don't you go bug someone else's forum and leave ours alone. You are not even trying to contribute in any way other than to make personal attacks and childish insults against Todd.



Todd does not need anyone to stand up for him but I felt this was enough to step in on my own. You are going to far and I want you to know that others are taking note of it and I as well as others will be contacting the administration in reguards to your behavor.



I hope you have a nice time out and don't come back.:banned:



Josh

+1



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[Thomas Dekany]

sorry I thought that was obvious.:wall:2thumbs:

Not to me!



I always heared from others how Sal puts down everything else in the industry, but when ever I talked with him he was different. He seemed to like Menzerna too!!!



Sorry about not getting it.

 

[imported_Bence]

:geez



FWIW, NXT might be the best product at preventing water spots because of its amazing lack of durability. My dad's 6 year old car didn't have any water spots (not waxed in 6 years) because the water just laid flat as well.

My imaginary ideal product does NOT bead, pushes the water down in one complete sheet, and gives good protection. Sheeting is far more desirable for me as it can eliminate calcium deposits (water-borne solids), aka water spots which happen often with bead-forming LSPs.



Again, beading is not an indication of protection.



As a chemist said: "After many hours in a salt-spray chamber any sheeting fails long before the protective film gives up. Some of the high end waxes fail in salt spray (rust formation) in as little as an hour but the beading can remain active as red rust forms around them."



Here in Hungary (or is it my actual jar?) NXT Paste 1.0 goes 3 months on new paints and 1.5-2 on older, more permeable ones. The water management of NXT is very interesting. At the end of its lifecycle it may seem powerless against water, as the water lays flat, pools on the surface. But as it evaporates, gets thinner... bam! - the polymers suddenly break up the water film and give good sheeting.

 

[Alfisti]

Again, beading is not an indication of protection.



As a chemist said: "After many hours in a salt-spray chamber any sheeting fails long before the protective film gives up. Some of the high end waxes fail in salt spray (rust formation) in as little as an hour but the beading can remain active as red rust forms around them."



Here in Hungary (or is it my actual jar?) NXT Paste 1.0 goes 3 months on new paints and 1.5-2 on older, more permeable ones. The water management of NXT is very interesting. At the end of its lifecycle it may seem powerless against water, as the water lays flat, pools on the surface. But as it evaporates, gets thinner... bam! - the polymers suddenly break up the water film and give good sheeting.

That's been my exact experience too. I get over 3 months with NXT1 here in the west...no acid rain.



I keep saying that beading in only an indicator of beading with sealants. ( Natural waxes differ.)



Many on this board are too obsessed with beading...I love it too...looks beautiful on rainy days. But it's morfed into the only indicator of durability. How water-tension is produced in sealants differs from carnauba blends. Sealants (including NXT) outlast their beading characterstics.

 

[Junebug]

Thank you all for the interesting reading. Let's see, Todd likes M21 and compares it with Zaino, great! I like it too and for me the ease of use, and playing well with polishes (no bonding issues) was very important. NXT has it's fans and I think I'll use that on some of my monthly wash/wax customers and see how it does. What's important to me is that I can buy my products locally and at a reasonable price and - Todd mentioned this too - Zaino is more difficult to work with, but if done right gives great results. OK, I've had good and bad results from Zaino and it was not Zaino but me (technique) - but being older (49) and slower, back problems, bad right knee, I need something that is extremely user friendly and non-finicky.

 

[imported_User Name]

I am as good as anybody on the forum or in the world.

I know, you've already told me this in PM, no need to take your arrogance public.

but your responses are personal and that it is against the rules of this forum.

Actually, you took shots at me in this thread, I'm simply responding. Don't cry over the milk you spilled.

I don't get it because I do not feel that my words haven't been used against me.

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Honestly, in your case, if looks are important to you, I would skip Zaino all together and switch instead to Meguiars #21 Synethic Sealent.

If you do a search on for #21 on autopia.org (a website with a lot of product information sharing, some good, some bad) you will see that a lot of previous Zaino users have switched to #21 based on the amazing looks (both gloss and reflection) that #21 provides.

There are so many more (even where you praise the original NXT), but its getting a bit too easy.

I am confident I am as good as anybody.

Are you trying to convince me or yourself, or everybody else. I mean, how many times can you toot your own horn in one thread?



I'll tell you something I've learned in my life that covers every job or skill on the planet. People who are the "best" or "great" at something, don't need to remind the world, the world reminds them. Jordan never told us he was the "best in the world". He just was and we told him. If I need the best Neurosurgeon in the world, I'm not going to the guy telling me he's the best, I'm going to the guy who I'VE BEEN TOLD BY OTHERS IS THE BEST.



However, in my experience, I've almost alwasy found that the guys who are always talking about their "greatness", have issues with their own self-esteem. That may or may not be you, but you really ought to tone it down.

This thread is about NXT and Zaino and it should stay on that topic, please.

Yes, and I gave my opinion on the subject, although you keep writing "NXT" and not NXT 2.0. You do know there is a difference, right? You do know it was reformulated, right? You do know that Meguiar's no longer makes the original and the stuff on the shelves is just old stock, right?

Also please do not call me a boy.

I didn't, read more carefully.

I have heard you (at every chance) say that you are a lawyer

Actually, I'm not just a lawyer, I'm the best lawyer in New York City.

I must really be under your skin for you to make such terrible statements.

You really take yourself too seriously. Most of what you write makes me laugh so hard I look forward to the amusing break from the real world.

I am proud of my work and proud of the general attitude that autopia has. If you don't like my work or the cars I do, then don't click on the threads.

Oh don't be a crybaby egging the admins to give me the boot. Before I realized what a whiner you are I actually praised your work:



You've read what I wrote about your work in January 2008, but then your arrogance took over, here's my comment about you:

simply make observations of guys I think do great work (and TH0001 would've been one of the guys I thought about who doesn't use Meg's exclusively, but still gets great results).

Please do not call me Toddy as that is not my name and again a further personal attack.

Freudian typo, sorry.

 

[Bigpoppa3346]

You know, at the beginning of this thread people were saying how quickly downhill these NXT and Zaino threads go. For a few pages it looked civil, then things went south around page four.



User Name, you never contribute anything to this forum other than to engage in forum politics and drama, it is clear no one wants you here. Why don't you go back to MOL and praise the underperforming Meguiar's products up and down so you can get some free samples from them? :goodjob

 

[JaredPointer]

Is the pee stream measured in metric or standard lengths in this contest?:LOLOL

 

[Pats300zx]

Hey...I have about had it with the bickering in this thread. Either we start keeping it civil or its getting locked and there will be repercussions against those that wish to keep pushing the envelope on the forum rules. :grrr

 

[wannafbody]

Does anyone know what actually produces the beading? If the polymer film remains after beading and sheeting is gone then why add something that creates beading?

 

[Todd@RUPES]

Thank you all for the interesting reading. Let's see, Todd likes M21 and compares it with Zaino, great! I like it too and for me the ease of use, and playing well with polishes (no bonding issues) was very important. NXT has it's fans and I think I'll use that on some of my monthly wash/wax customers and see how it does. What's important to me is that I can buy my products locally and at a reasonable price and - Todd mentioned this too - Zaino is more difficult to work with, but if done right gives great results. OK, I've had good and bad results from Zaino and it was not Zaino but me (technique) - but being older (49) and slower, back problems, bad right knee, I need something that is extremely user friendly and non-finicky.

One of the reasons I moved away from #21 was the constant streaking that occured. I let it sit for several hours at one point and it would not set up which is one of the reasons I started looking at other sealants. It just wouldn't work (this actually blew up in a thread on MOL where Meguiars replaced a ton of #21 for people who had similar issues. Seriously top notch customer service) Unforuntately my replacement was no better and I moved on.



I have #21 2.0 and cannot tell a difference but it is going strong at 1 month (as expected). I had the original #21 (topped with #26 a couple months in) last for an extremely long time (almost 8 months!) at one point, but that was a one time thing. I also topped #21 (original) with NXT once and had the beading die about 2 weeks in.



#21 produces a darker look (you can see it acutally darken the paint) which gives it a different look on black. On certain blacks (cheap GM Corvette black) I think #21 is a better choice hands down (since it almost look gray and too bright with Zaino).

 

[Todd@RUPES]

Thank you all for the interesting reading. Let's see, Todd likes M21 and compares it with Zaino, great! I like it too and for me the ease of use, and playing well with polishes (no bonding issues) was very important. NXT has it's fans and I think I'll use that on some of my monthly wash/wax customers and see how it does. What's important to me is that I can buy my products locally and at a reasonable price and - Todd mentioned this too - Zaino is more difficult to work with, but if done right gives great results. OK, I've had good and bad results from Zaino and it was not Zaino but me (technique) - but being older (49) and slower, back problems, bad right knee, I need something that is extremely user friendly and non-finicky.

One of the reasons I moved away from #21 was the constant streaking that occured. I let it sit for several hours at one point and it would not set up which is one of the reasons I started looking at other sealants. It just wouldn't work (this actually blew up in a thread on MOL where Meguiars replaced a ton of #21 for people who had similar issues. Unforuntately my replacement was no better and I moved on.



I have #21 2.0 and cannot tell a difference but it is going strong at 1 month (as expected). I had the original #21 (topped with #26 a couple months in) last for an extremely long time (almost 8 months!) at one point, but that was a one time thing. I also topped #21 (original) with NXT once and had the beading die about 2 weeks in.



#21 produces a darker look (you can see it acutally darken the paint) which gives it a different look on black. On certain blacks (cheap GM Corvette black) I think #21 is a better choice hands down (since it almost look gray and too bright with Zaino).

 

[Alfisti]

Repetition for emphasis.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

Repetition for emphasis.

LOL its because I feel I am so important that I will now double post everything . Very wierd as I really have no idea how I did that (second post deleted)

 

[Bobby G]

One of the reasons I moved away from #21 was the constant streaking that occured.

Not my experience, but I live in a different climate.

 

[Holden_C04]

Does anyone know what actually produces the beading? If the polymer film remains after beading and sheeting is gone then why add something that creates beading?

Surface tension creates beading. How does water bead without protection present? I have no idea.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

Not my experience, but I live in a different climate.

I am 1000% convinced that climate is one of the biggest reasons in the performance of a product (regardless if it is a polish, glaze, wax, sealant, etc) and may be (mixed with personal feelings and preferences) why some many people have so many different feelings about products.



No product is the best in my exprience, some are just better then for people then others.

 

[Todd@RUPES]

My imaginary ideal product does NOT bead, pushes the water down in one complete sheet, and gives good protection. Sheeting is far more desirable for me as it can eliminate calcium deposits (water-borne solids), aka water spots which happen often with bead-forming LSPs.



Again, beading is not an indication of protection.



As a chemist said: "After many hours in a salt-spray chamber any sheeting fails long before the protective film gives up. Some of the high end waxes fail in salt spray (rust formation) in as little as an hour but the beading can remain active as red rust forms around them."



Here in Hungary (or is it my actual jar?) NXT Paste 1.0 goes 3 months on new paints and 1.5-2 on older, more permeable ones. The water management of NXT is very interesting. At the end of its lifecycle it may seem powerless against water, as the water lays flat, pools on the surface. But as it evaporates, gets thinner... bam! - the polymers suddenly break up the water film and give good sheeting.

My understanding (and I have less then you) is that if product beads well for a couple weeks then looses the beading, something has chemically changed in the product.



In my experience, a degradation of beading has always been apparent with a degradation of surface slickness and looks. It seems to always go hand and in hand, and truthfully I have no other way to measure protection.