Griots Garage?
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Accumulator
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Yeah, I sorta wish people would just NOT bash Griot over his markups. I might've bought those sockets (and plenty of other products) elsewhere to save the money, had I known WHERE else to find them, but I don't mind having paid what I did at Griot's. As I've said before, he's an honest, nice guy and a real car buff. I think it's cool that he can support himself and his family while pursuing his car hobby. And I give credit to anyone who starts a business in his kitchen and grows it as he has.
SergC
wax on...stress off...
Accumulator said:
Couldn't say any better:xyxthumbs
imported_BretFraz
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RJJ said:
Are you telling me that criticizing a $76 hose nozzle is out of line and uncalled for? Is that a joke?
Help me out here because I don't think a sensible person would think $76 is a good value for something as pedestrian as a HOSE NOZZLE.
bretfraz, yes I am. I recieved this nozzel as a gift, having seen it and used it I have to say it is worth the money-I appreciate finely crafted items, pedestrian or otherwise.
Some members commented on what they believed to be a high/unfair markup on some of Griot's products and they (you) are entitled to your opinion. Only when some stated 'similar' or 'identical' nozzels could be found for about $20 did I post. Find another similarly US made product and I will listen to you, otherwise these types of comments are nonsense.
How can you take exception to a man who will sell you a product and then take it back, at anytime, if you are not happy with it?
Some members commented on what they believed to be a high/unfair markup on some of Griot's products and they (you) are entitled to your opinion. Only when some stated 'similar' or 'identical' nozzels could be found for about $20 did I post. Find another similarly US made product and I will listen to you, otherwise these types of comments are nonsense.
How can you take exception to a man who will sell you a product and then take it back, at anytime, if you are not happy with it?
imported_BretFraz
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RJJ said:
Well, since you seem to be the expert on hose nozzles, why not explain to all of us the specific differences between the $76 Griots nozzle and the $19 Bonaire nozzle I picked up at Costco. By the sound of your convictions I'm sure you not only have both nozzles but have evaluated them closely and have conversed with each mfr on their design and manufacture. Let keep the talk on hose nozzles and not on Griots pricing policy.
The stage is yours. I fully expect your next post to be a college course on hose nozzles. Lets see what you've got.
I have to chime in on this topic:
Yes there are many items in the Griots catalog that are grossly overpriced. When I read this thread last night I started doing a search on several everyday items in his catalog and found them cheaper elsewhere........however this took time. Time = $$$ and for some of us (not all) there are better ways to spend that time. Also keep in mind that by shopping from a single source you can save in shipping costs. For those of us that have time it would make sense to shop around for those everyday items especially if you can buy them locally.
However:
There are several items in the Griots Catalog (Undercarriage Spray, etc.) that are an absolute must when trying to achieve perfection. These can not be found elsewhere and IMO are worth spending extra to get them.
In the last 3 months I've spent $100 with Griots and have been very happy with their products and service. Not all of them were cleaning related and every product IMO was a great value. Only item I feel I spent too much on was the medical swabs but after searching locally for a week I gave up and conveniently ordered it through Griots.
Which leads me to my final point........Griots provides convenience
and isn't that the American way?
Yes there are many items in the Griots catalog that are grossly overpriced. When I read this thread last night I started doing a search on several everyday items in his catalog and found them cheaper elsewhere........however this took time. Time = $$$ and for some of us (not all) there are better ways to spend that time. Also keep in mind that by shopping from a single source you can save in shipping costs. For those of us that have time it would make sense to shop around for those everyday items especially if you can buy them locally.
However:
There are several items in the Griots Catalog (Undercarriage Spray, etc.) that are an absolute must when trying to achieve perfection. These can not be found elsewhere and IMO are worth spending extra to get them.
In the last 3 months I've spent $100 with Griots and have been very happy with their products and service. Not all of them were cleaning related and every product IMO was a great value. Only item I feel I spent too much on was the medical swabs but after searching locally for a week I gave up and conveniently ordered it through Griots.
Which leads me to my final point........Griots provides convenience
and isn't that the American way?Accumulator
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Hold it, hold it, hold it. This thread is devolving.
I for one don't appreciate the unpleasant and contentious tone that's crept into this thread. I CERTAINLY don't appreciate someone saying what is or is not "sensible" or "ridiculous" for other people to do with their money. Autopians, of all people, should appreciate the concept of volition.
And I sure hope the monkey-pic comments don't become a trend.
BTW, look back and you'll see that this thread is about as GENERAL as can be; it's about GRIOT'S, not just one of their products.
Whew, few things get people's dander up like Griot's Garage.
[End of vent]
Edit/PS: Well put, MBZ 500E
I for one don't appreciate the unpleasant and contentious tone that's crept into this thread. I CERTAINLY don't appreciate someone saying what is or is not "sensible" or "ridiculous" for other people to do with their money. Autopians, of all people, should appreciate the concept of volition.
And I sure hope the monkey-pic comments don't become a trend.
BTW, look back and you'll see that this thread is about as GENERAL as can be; it's about GRIOT'S, not just one of their products.
Whew, few things get people's dander up like Griot's Garage.
[End of vent]
Edit/PS: Well put, MBZ 500E
GP Infinity
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Few topics generate more pro and con discussion on this board than GG. I buy and use their products and have said so repeatedly. I do believe that most of their products are of the upper tier in quality, and this I am limiting to the wash, waxes, etc.. (chemically related).
Bretfraz has a point, I received my GG hose nozzle from my wife for Christmas and love it. Are there times where the one for $20, that is similar but not exactly the same, catches my eye and make me think twice, sure, but mine came with love attached..
Was it extravagant and over the top? Absolutely! But that is part of what GG is..
I do use S100 due to Scottwax using it on my wife's SUV and I have started using it and converted others to it. I did try to get them to price match the PC air compressor, but they will not and do not price match. So I do buy some items from other vendors. I do only get one catalog per printing in the mail, but darned its a good looking thing that I keep in the bathroom until its read. I do think that their shipping habits have declined recently, it does take longer than it used to, to receive items and they used to email you the shipping number so that you could link over to UPS to see where it was in process.
There was a post a few weeks or month ago about who uses which products from them and there are a number of folks here that use quite a bit.
The other thing I do like is that they sell all their products in like shaped and sized containers and their sprayer is great. This makes keeping things neater and more organized easier for me.
Will I continue to use them? sure, one of the reasons is ease, they are open 24/7, plus website, plus the return policy, plus there is some peace of mind when you order, such that if the product doesnt perform, you send it back and either get your money or get another of the same..
Just my .02
Dana
Bretfraz has a point, I received my GG hose nozzle from my wife for Christmas and love it. Are there times where the one for $20, that is similar but not exactly the same, catches my eye and make me think twice, sure, but mine came with love attached..
Was it extravagant and over the top? Absolutely! But that is part of what GG is..
I do use S100 due to Scottwax using it on my wife's SUV and I have started using it and converted others to it. I did try to get them to price match the PC air compressor, but they will not and do not price match. So I do buy some items from other vendors. I do only get one catalog per printing in the mail, but darned its a good looking thing that I keep in the bathroom until its read. I do think that their shipping habits have declined recently, it does take longer than it used to, to receive items and they used to email you the shipping number so that you could link over to UPS to see where it was in process.
There was a post a few weeks or month ago about who uses which products from them and there are a number of folks here that use quite a bit.
The other thing I do like is that they sell all their products in like shaped and sized containers and their sprayer is great. This makes keeping things neater and more organized easier for me.
Will I continue to use them? sure, one of the reasons is ease, they are open 24/7, plus website, plus the return policy, plus there is some peace of mind when you order, such that if the product doesnt perform, you send it back and either get your money or get another of the same..
Just my .02
Dana
imported_BretFraz
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Good points, Dana. Well said.
I don't think anyone is unfairly bashing Griots. And I do think most of us will agree that Griots is a fine company who sells high quality products and offers an excellent shopping & buying experience. Griots is certainly a fun place to shop and a good company to recommend to others.
But I do think we're all entitled to our own personal definitions of "value". Webster's defines value as, "that quality of a thing according to which it is thought as of being more or less desirable, useful, estimable, important, etc.; worth or the degree of worth"
I don't think there's anything unpleasant or contentious about individuals expressing their opinions of a product or company on a public chat forum. In this particular forum DavidB encourages us by stating, "Let's get critical". That's all that is happening here. If you don't like the critical nature of this thread, you are free to ignore it. "Volition" is a good word in this context and we are all expressing our own free will by chiming in. Although I do think its funny in a twisted sense that someone would talk about volition in the same paragraph as they express what they don't appreciate. I take that as meaning it's OK for the writer to exercise free will but not OK for others to do the same. Talk about something that seems unpleasant and contentious....
But back to hose nozzles, if RJJ or someone else can explain to us all the distinct advantages of the $76 Griots hose nozzle compared to the Bonaire $19 hose nozzle, I think the community would benefit from it. It might even change a few minds. Until that happens I'll continue to think that $76 is a excessive amount of money to spend on a hose nozzle.... but if someone gave it to me as a gift, I'd consider it a very kind and thoughtful gesture (I'm not asking for one, I'm just saying....... )
I don't think anyone is unfairly bashing Griots. And I do think most of us will agree that Griots is a fine company who sells high quality products and offers an excellent shopping & buying experience. Griots is certainly a fun place to shop and a good company to recommend to others.
But I do think we're all entitled to our own personal definitions of "value". Webster's defines value as, "that quality of a thing according to which it is thought as of being more or less desirable, useful, estimable, important, etc.; worth or the degree of worth"
I don't think there's anything unpleasant or contentious about individuals expressing their opinions of a product or company on a public chat forum. In this particular forum DavidB encourages us by stating, "Let's get critical". That's all that is happening here. If you don't like the critical nature of this thread, you are free to ignore it. "Volition" is a good word in this context and we are all expressing our own free will by chiming in. Although I do think its funny in a twisted sense that someone would talk about volition in the same paragraph as they express what they don't appreciate. I take that as meaning it's OK for the writer to exercise free will but not OK for others to do the same. Talk about something that seems unpleasant and contentious....
But back to hose nozzles, if RJJ or someone else can explain to us all the distinct advantages of the $76 Griots hose nozzle compared to the Bonaire $19 hose nozzle, I think the community would benefit from it. It might even change a few minds. Until that happens I'll continue to think that $76 is a excessive amount of money to spend on a hose nozzle.... but if someone gave it to me as a gift, I'd consider it a very kind and thoughtful gesture (I'm not asking for one, I'm just saying.......
)Griots is a great place with whom to do business. He has gone out of his way to provide items that most people don't see or that are hard to find. I don't recall the hose nozzle question coming up until someone saw the Griots nozzle and then began searching the internet for a similar one and discovered it could be obtained elsewhere cheaper. He has a lot of unusual items that at one time were probably almost impossible to find but with the increased use of the internet and Google etc, you can see them in the Griots catalog first and find them elsewhere if you desire.
I agree $76 is a lot of money for a hose nozzle and the Bonair is a great if not identical replacement for a lot less money. But really, be fair, did you find the Bonair first or did you see it in Griots and then search for it.
He runs a great business and he should be commended for doing so. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to buy from him.
I agree $76 is a lot of money for a hose nozzle and the Bonair is a great if not identical replacement for a lot less money. But really, be fair, did you find the Bonair first or did you see it in Griots and then search for it.
He runs a great business and he should be commended for doing so. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to buy from him.
I only have one pet peeve with Griots. The delivery time. BUT they send it out the same day I order. It is UPS that takes almost two weeks to get my order to me. I will order from them again and ask for USPS Priority. I absolutely love the interior cleaner.
But Autopia is still the king of my Detailing order vendor!!
But Autopia is still the king of my Detailing order vendor!!
GP Infinity
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VIKING said:
No, but I would be interested.. can you post it here?
Dana
I do not believe I ever said or implied there were advantages, in function, to either product. I said only that one is from the US and one is from China and from my perspective this fact precludes them from being similar or identical.
Are there substantive differences between the two, reason dictates there would have to be.
THE END
Are there substantive differences between the two, reason dictates there would have to be.
THE END
imported_BretFraz
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RJJ said:
I disagree. If two items were made to the same spec, using identical materials and production methods, I challenge you or anyone to point out the "substantive differences".
It's OK for you to think that a "Made In China" product is inferior to a "Made in the USA" one but what I want to know is, beyond your personal bias, how exactly is the $76 Griots nozzle superior to the $19 Bonaire nozzle?
If you think the Griots nozzle is superior simply because its made in the US, then say so. If you think the Bonaire nozzle is inferior because its made in China, then say so. Its trendy right now to be "anti -" something so I don't think I'll be surprised at your response.
BTW, I bought *another* Bonaire nozzle today. I called Bonaire and had a nice conversation about their products. What research have you done today?
brefraz
You seem unusually testy today. Is something bothering you besides someones opinion of the quality of one spray nozzle over another?
I seem to recall a recent thread where you determined the "quality" of a QD which you have never used. And seemed quite upset when people questioned your "right" to question the quality of something you have never tried.
If you just want to argue with someone, and it will make you feel better....As Doc Holliday, from the movie Tombstone said "I'm your huckleberry".
Here's hoping you get past the burr under your saddle.
You seem unusually testy today. Is something bothering you besides someones opinion of the quality of one spray nozzle over another?
I seem to recall a recent thread where you determined the "quality" of a QD which you have never used. And seemed quite upset when people questioned your "right" to question the quality of something you have never tried.
If you just want to argue with someone, and it will make you feel better....As Doc Holliday, from the movie Tombstone said "I'm your huckleberry".
Here's hoping you get past the burr under your saddle.