Zaino still the best stuff?

Slickery said:
Which nuba? I'm curious because I've used Zaino and klasse pretty much exclusively because of durabilty, they beat any nuba I've tried hands down. But unfortunately I've purchased a car with horrible paint and I'm going to gave to use a glaze and nuba until I get it repainted and can go back to a sealant. The paint is beyond wetsanding, not enough CC, but the paint is good enough to last a couple years but with some major defects that need to be hidden as much as possible. But anyway I would love to know which nuba you get 6 months from? Thanks
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P21S, layered slowly from april to november 1, and then no more until April 20th of the following year. No cover, no garage. On average I'd rate it 6 months, because the wax is being replenished during the warm season, and from Nov. to April it doesn't get replenished, which is a (brutal) 5 months of a northeast winter. P21S IMO has done a remarkable job during the harsh winter months. Funny you should mention it, because this year it actually did 6 months without replenishing (up to today, May 27 or is it the 28th....?), as I did not get to this car in april, but rather this afternoon with the claybar, and tomorrow with the full polish and big clean. Stay tuned.



Car #1 is a garage king, which gets a Zymol Estate Wax. That wax lasts (by default) the same amount of time...(wonder why??).



I have had nothing but good things to say about both carnaubas, as each has its own attributes. That is why in my case, since I start over in a year's time, a (more?) durable lsp would not necessarily matter. The objective with the daily driver is a combination of a high quality finish, convenience, and good durability. Car #1's objective is reaching its highest appearance level, and having acceptable durability is also a plus.
 
That's it. I'm going to have to break out my Z2 Pro for some more testing; I'm due for the works on my own Landcruiser, so I'll probalby do half the vehicle with Z2 Pro with ZFX and the other with FMJ. If after a week, month, or several months I can't tell a difference, I'm never mentioning Z2 Pro again (it doesn't spread very far, so its actaully more expensive than it seems). I might even through Trigger in the mix.
 
6 or 7 layers of carnauba can be durable especially when the temps are low- but comparing 1 layer of carnauba to 1 layer of Zaino is no contest. The carnauba melts and runs away.
 
RAG said:
That's it. I'm going to have to break out my Z2 Pro for some more testing; I'm due for the works on my own Landcruiser, so I'll probalby do half the vehicle with Z2 Pro with ZFX and the other with FMJ. If after a week, month, or several months I can't tell a difference, I'm never mentioning Z2 Pro again (it doesn't spread very far, so its actaully more expensive than it seems). I might even through Trigger in the mix.
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That sounds like a great test. If FMJ is as durable as Z then priced per ounce it is a better value-especially if you detail a lot of cars and get the 32 oz size. For a person with 1 or 2 cars 32 oz is overkill.
 
As I say often, process is very important but some products do perform better than others. I also believe a good number of us here have great technique already, so maybe finding the combination that works best for each of us is twofold:



1. Reaching a level of great technique so the surface can be smooth as glass.

2. Finding the best product you like that fits your personal preferences.
 
wannafbody said:
6 or 7 layers of carnauba can be durable especially when the temps are low- but comparing 1 layer of carnauba to 1 layer of Zaino is no contest. The carnauba melts and runs away.
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You are right. One layer of carnauba won't stand up to the weather anywhere near the same amount of time as a sealant. This I will admit. The same thing can be said of 4 or 5 layers of carnauba caked on in one day by an adventurous detailer (those cakes will wash away FASTER than one coat).



Several coats of carnauba spaced out a week or two apart over a warm season is the ideal thing. By the time winter arrives, you will be well prepared for the elements.
 
lbls1 said:
P21S, layered slowly
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I just tested this against another wax and your right, this stuff blew the other out of the water in the durabilty aspect, it has a very nice shell. I wonder if it is because of the beeswax or something else? Whatever it is you can tell why this is a popular wax.
 
The carnuba or wax vs the sealants particularly Zaino will go on forever. Everything is compaired to Zaino why? Because nothing can match its shine or durability. Zaino or sealants vs wax is all preference in you own eyes there is no right or wrong. With Z2pro & Z5 pro 1-2 coats to ensure coverage beats any wax. I have used and still have all the Colinites. 476S last longer than 845IW in my opinion. I used Collinite extensively in the past and out of any wax nothing can match its durability, that being said its the oils & silicone. I know this first hand because I had a black MC SS and twice a week I apllied 845IW. When I needed body work they told me the oils and silicone seeped into the old paint,primer and into the sheet metal. Yea great autobody men can fix this, but it took tons of prep. Out of the waxes I have used Surluster is #1, Souvran #2, P21S#3 & Colinite#4.



I sold a lot of my stuff this past week and traded for others. As far as FMJ its not bad stuff but my opinion has changed its not as durable and does not look as good as Zaino IMO. I think Prime A , AJ and Blackfire are way better especially on dark colors. Zaino far and away is still my number 1 and thats all I will put on my car. But I do still like to experiment on my truck and wifes van. Blackfire and AJ blow FMJ & AIO ,SG away. JMO ,FMJ used to be my #2.
 
Hmmm, I've tried nearly all of the waxes and sealants popular on this board, but I haven't tried the Blackfire yet. Somebody mentioned that it was a bit harder to remove than FMJ.
 
I certainly don't know if Zaino is "the best" polish available, but I do know this; it's the only one I've ever used that still beads water after a year, and my vehicles are parked outside all the time.
 
RAG said:
Hmmm, I've tried nearly all of the waxes and sealants popular on this board, but I haven't tried the Blackfire yet. Somebody mentioned that it was a bit harder to remove than FMJ.
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the new diamond version is supposed to be easier to work with
 
RAG said:
Hmmm, I've tried nearly all of the waxes and sealants popular on this board, but I haven't tried the Blackfire yet. Somebody mentioned that it was a bit harder to remove than FMJ.
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Either version of Blackfire is easy to work with, actually just as easy as FMJ.
 
I suppose experiences vary with all this stuff...I used both versions of BF before switching to UPP (I've used the last two versions of that). I found the UPP *much* easier to use than the BF and I prefer UPP's slickness. IMO the looks were only subtley different and were pretty inconsequential after the fist wash; if you want to split hairs, the BF looked deeper, darker, and richer.



A few of us have kicked the BF user-friendliness around before and it just doesn't work that easily for me no matter what I try. Funny, since other "tricky" products like KSG work great for me :nixweiss



I still use BF for some stuff...like the S8's front calipers :D
 
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