Zaino still the best stuff?

Many fine products available but I only trust Zaino to protect my vehicles and still look great as any product type available.



If protection, durability, ease of use, clarity, trustness to color hue, ease of maintenence and excellent appearance in ALL aspects is measured against many other products... Zaino is top of the detailing mountain IMHO.



If you prep for real depth and not depend on optical depth created by a LSP, Zaino will fill the bill.
 
For durability Klasse SG is unmatched and a quality carnauba like souveran will lave a much more impressive finish than zaino.
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I like Klasse AIO a lot but I don't use SG because I find it is not very clear optically.
 
This durability issue is interesting in my opinion Z2Pro as a stand alone product is not any more durability then Rejex, SG and a lot of over sealants on the market. The Zaino system is what is gives Zaino the edge over other products. Using Z6 probably will add a week and Z8 probably a couple of weeks to the durability; even washing it with Z7 adds protection since Z7 is sort of a wash and wax. I have used Zaino now for almost 2 years on my daily drivers because of durability but continue to use PS on show cars since durability is not an issue. Just my thoughts!
 
Well folks, given the discussion here, and the luck I have had in the past, I broke down last night and bought the Zaino Kit... when my M3 arrives I'll be sure to post some pictures :)
 
Hercules said:
Well folks, given the discussion here, and the luck I have had in the past, I broke down last night and bought the Zaino Kit... when my M3 arrives I'll be sure to post some pictures :)
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Looking forward to seeing those pixs. :woohoo:
 
I've been very pleased with the Werkstatt product line. Definitely my favorite sealant on pure place and just incredible on metallics. Durabilty seems on par with Zaino and Klasse.



What I think is best and what you think is best might not be the same though.
 
I agree, hard to beet depth of a good nuba. But, from a professional standpoint, I highly value ease of use, durability, and economy - the clear winner for me has been FMJ. For an "Autiopian" vehicle, the whole bit changes...it is easy to maintain slickeness, etc. when you care for your vehicle properly. I even did some exprimenting last year on several vehicles where I put different products on different panels...when examined later, I couldn't not tell a difference between the panels (some of the vehicles maintained slickeness and protection on all panels and some had lost slickenss and protections on all panels, leading me to find that the environement and overall care of the vehicle was by far more important. Basically, if you put a good sealant on your vehicle, wash it regularly (and properly), and give it a few spritz of QD periodically, it should maintain slickness and protection for a long long time.
 
Hercules said:
... do the rest of the interior with Armor All ...
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Please, for the love of %%deity, do NOT ruin the interior of your new M3 with that crap! There's NOPLACE where anyone should use slimy, window-fogging, silicone-loaded ArmorAll! NOPLACE! Do yourself and your passengers a huge favor: pour that bottle of AA down the drain NOW, and NEVER buy any more!
 
If you are an Autopian durability is usually not a consideration. I have to aadmit that I like the look of souveran on my Black truck. I do not like the protection that it affords me. It really attracts and hold dust in the Texas winters.



FMJ is easy to use, looks good, but I have durability issues. It has never held up over time.



Klasse SG and Zaino have there quirks. Durability is the same in my tests but the shine of Zaino looks better initially and is maintained longer by using the whole Zaino system.



Like Mikeyc says, it revolves around personal opinion. In my opinion

Zaino system fills the bill better than any product that I have mentioned.
 
GeneralEclectic said:
Please, for the love of %%deity, do NOT ruin the interior of your new M3 with that crap! There's NOPLACE where anyone should use slimy, window-fogging, silicone-loaded ArmorAll! NOPLACE! Do yourself and your passengers a huge favor: pour that bottle of AA down the drain NOW, and NEVER buy any more!
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You obviously haven't used Armor All original in the past 5-10 years.
 
GeneralEclectic said:
Please, for the love of %%deity, do NOT ruin the interior of your new M3 with that crap! There's NOPLACE where anyone should use slimy, window-fogging, silicone-loaded ArmorAll! NOPLACE! Do yourself and your passengers a huge favor: pour that bottle of AA down the drain NOW, and NEVER buy any more!
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ummm ok? I use Armor All, as well as many other Autopians and love it - I usually use it for wheel wells and it looks great. Very natural looking, dont see what your problem with it is. Even on the interior I never have a problem with it?

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As for Zaino...I love it, but I just cannot afford to use it all the time. Maybe once a year I will buy a bottle of Zaino Z5 and ZFX, and when its gone its gone...Im experimenting with Jeffs Werkstaat currently and like it alot so far..You should definately look at some of the results people have with Jeff's products. I know Scottwax uses them on many of his details and they look incredible.
 
ZaneO said:
You obviously haven't used Armor All original in the past 5-10 years.
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me uhhhhh ... twice ... uhhhhh Won't be fooled again!



Nope. Haven't had any AA around for at least that long. You're not suggesting that it's not the same horrible stuff is once was?



I don't see any need for putting anything on the plastic surfaces. They're fine the way they are. Sure, lube up the leather to make it baby-butt soft, but the BMW plastic parts are fine as-is.
 
For me Zaino is still the best, the durability is a plus. With the addition of Z8 ,ZPC, Z2 pro and Now Z5 pro IMO nothing can touch it. There are some that are getting closer ,but for me Zaino is the optically clear winner. I prefer sealants over carnuba especially on black and metalics, I know this goes against what a lot of other feel. This comes down to prefrence . To me carnuba has a oily look which others feel is that warm look and it definately attracts dust. Klasse is ok not at the top of my list ,but its ok. FMJ is pretty good ,but not nearly as good as Blackfire and AJ.



When I used carnubas I waxed 1-2 times a week, I had to. Also after 1 wash it didn't look the same so I rewaxed and QD. At the time I didn't mind ,now with the Zaino line and ease of use and the bonus durability I will not put anything else on my car. I do however experiment on my wifes van and my truck. i just did some spring cleaning and sold off a lot of stuff including my FMJ , #16 , P21S and more. I kept the Souvran and Surluster just in case the lights go out I can put a wick in them ( just kidding ).
 
GeneralEclectic said:
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me uhhhhh ... twice ... uhhhhh Won't be fooled again!



Nope. Haven't had any AA around for at least that long. You're not suggesting that it's not the same horrible stuff is once was?



I don't see any need for putting anything on the plastic surfaces. They're fine the way they are. Sure, lube up the leather to make it baby-butt soft, but the BMW plastic parts are fine as-is.
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Armor All original was reformulated several years ago to a water-based formula.



I don't normally use dressings on my interiors either, but if someone likes to, that's their choice. Just because *you* don't see a need, that doesn't mean others are the same.
 
GeneralEclectic said:
Please, for the love of %%deity, do NOT ruin the interior of your new M3 with that crap! There's NOPLACE where anyone should use slimy, window-fogging, silicone-loaded ArmorAll! NOPLACE! Do yourself and your passengers a huge favor: pour that bottle of AA down the drain NOW, and NEVER buy any more!
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IIRC Armor All is water based and perfectly safe to use
 
It is hard defining the "best." That term "best" is very broad and can be inaccurate depending on certain circumstances. You have to define "best" in certain parameters.



Now with that said: Zaino is a good comprehensive car care system. Zaino does not offer the best in terms of paint appearance IMO. Zaino can, with the liberal use of good polishes and preparation of the painted surface, yield respectable results. Zaino is also well known for its durability, yet based on my experience with it as well as other synthetics and even some carnaubas, it isn't a dominant product in terms of durability. I've also discovered that Zaino is not necessarily the "end-all" product in terms of convenience, because I've found a handful of waxes that are very easy to use and offer great convenience.



Thus, it is hard to label any product as the best in all categories. Specific areas and abilities will serve as a better definition.
 
Something must be wrong. I disagree. Pin. Souveran X 2 and FK425 applied on a correctly prepared surface is totaly Awesome!!!! JMHO







dogma said:
For me Zaino is still the best, the durability is a plus. With the addition of Z8 ,ZPC, Z2 pro and Now Z5 pro IMO nothing can touch it. There are some that are getting closer ,but for me Zaino is the optically clear winner. I prefer sealants over carnuba especially on black and metalics, I know this goes against what a lot of other feel. This comes down to prefrence . To me carnuba has a oily look which others feel is that warm look and it definately attracts dust. Klasse is ok not at the top of my list ,but its ok. FMJ is pretty good ,but not nearly as good as Blackfire and AJ.



When I used carnubas I waxed 1-2 times a week, I had to. Also after 1 wash it didn't look the same so I rewaxed and QD. At the time I didn't mind ,now with the Zaino line and ease of use and the bonus durability I will not put anything else on my car. I do however experiment on my wifes van and my truck. i just did some spring cleaning and sold off a lot of stuff including my FMJ , #16 , P21S and more. I kept the Souvran and Surluster just in case the lights go out I can put a wick in them ( just kidding ).
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MDRX8 said:
Something must be wrong. I disagree. Pin. Souveran X 2 and FK425 applied on a correctly prepared surface is totaly Awesome!!!! JMHO
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Whats wrong , I prefer Zaino to any carnuba JMHO. Nothing made my black car look better and now my Red mica Mazda. The metalic in the paint looks brilliant with Zaino.



I have been using carnuba's since 1978. I tried almost all including , Zymol , Malms, blue diamond , souvran,surluster, #26,#16,wax shoppe,P21S,all the Collinites( was my favorite ),Pink wax and hundreds of others.



IMHO nothing looks as good as sealants as a LSP. I will take Zaino and Z8 any day over

Souvran ( IMO Surluster is a tad bit better) and FK425. I think FK425 is a real nice product

its actually their best product by far.
 
Zaino does not offer the best in terms of paint appearance IMO. Zaino can, with the liberal use of good polishes and preparation of the painted surface, yield respectable results.
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I take issue with this. In my experience using a wide variety of product Zaino is one of the best in appearance. It's clarity, wetness on a properly prepped surface, and ability to look "fresh" after a wash and Z-8 is remarkable. Sal continually improves his products every year and each product is a strong performer whether it's clay, soap, or polish...
 
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