Zaino still the best stuff?

I encourage Zaino to continually improve and develop their product line. I feel that despite my opinion of their products, that Zaino has potential to grow and improve their product line of car care products.



A lot of people are very happy with Zaino, and to that I say go for it. I have seen good examples of Zaino finishes, and I applaud those users that were able to get the most out of it. It still remains, as my opinion, that Zaino doesn't possess the intensity of finish quality of some of the better carnaubas. My conclusion, as I've stated earlier, was derived from actual experience and live comparisons of various Zaino finishes against similarly priced and higher content carnauba lsps. As such, this is the overwhelming reason why I prefer a carnauba, in most cases including durability, over a Zaino.
 
lbls1 said:
A lot of people are very happy with Zaino, and to that I say go for it. I have seen good examples of Zaino finishes, and I applaud those users that were able to get the most out of it. It still remains, as my opinion, that Zaino doesn't possess the intensity of finish quality of some of the better carnaubas. My conclusion, as I've stated earlier, was derived from actual experience and live comparisons of various Zaino finishes against similarly priced and higher content carnauba lsps. As such, this is the overwhelming reason why I prefer a carnauba, in most cases including durability, over a Zaino.
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Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion..... as am I.



So.... if you are saying that carnuabas have better durability than sealants, especially Zaino sealants, I personally have to be a little suspect of your test results as well as your opinion.
 
cwcad said:
Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion..... as am I.



So.... if you are saying that carnuabas have better durability than sealants, especially Zaino sealants, I personally have to be a little suspect of your test results as well as your opinion.
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I wasn't inquiring as to whether you believe my statement, nor am I concerned (If you have reviewed my statement, then tell me where exactly that I said "carnaubas have better durability than sealants"? I would be very interested in locating that phrase that you said that I stated). What concerns me is the product that works best on my finishes, and as of now those products do not have the Zaino name on it.
 
lbls1 said:
this is the overwhelming reason why I prefer a carnauba, in most cases including durability, over a Zaino.
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I stand corrected in misunderstanding your quote. Do you deny that your statement infers that durability is better by saying the you "prefer a carnuaba, in most cases including durability, over a Zaino."



Or are you saying that you prefer the look of a carnuaba and the heck with durability.
 
Pennypacker said:
Don't some people top Zaino with a carnauba sometimes?
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I was wondering about that once Zaino or for that matter other sealants are applied and cured what could a layer of carnuba do? You know its not going to give added preotection!

Although some people say wow this carnuba is still protecting after 2 months? sorry its the Zaino the wax melted off 7 weeks ago. Also Zaino is so optically clear the carnuba only distorts the finish JMO. I can see topping a polish that has no protection like ZPC, FPII and such.
 
Another interesting Zaino discussion. :bolt



Hercules, what were your thoughts on the NXT results? I don't use it often, but have seen some great results.



Bioman, I'm led to believe that the leather care products are very good. But like many leather care products, you need to find the right one for the job. On some leather, only Leatherique will do, or Liquid Leather, or Connolly Hide Food, etc.
 
cwcad said:
I stand corrected in misunderstanding your quote. Do you deny that your statement infers that durability is better by saying the you "prefer a carnuaba, in most cases including durability, over a Zaino."



Or are you saying that you prefer the look of a carnuaba and the heck with durability.
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No problem.



What I said is exactly what I meant. My carnauba finishes have proven to have been very durable, and have lasted on average about 6 months (with adequate layering, of course, and lasting throughout a typical northeast winter from December to April, when I start over). I didn't necessarily say that Zaino wasn't durable, but comparatively speaking, I have been able to get durability while maintaining finish quality from the carnauba products I've used so far.
 
OK-my thoughts. In regard to a carnauba being as durable as Zaino on a 24/7 outside car the only 1 that I know could come close is Collinite. In regards to looks-I have some moderately priced products that produce an incedible look on my navy blue mettallic paint. Zaino produces an equally impressive yet slightly different look. The real difference is how Zaino seems to repel water better than other products for a longer period of time. Does that mean that it actually protects the finish better-I'm not sure.
 
I must have got a bad bottle of Z2 Pro.





dogma said:
Whats wrong , I prefer Zaino to any carnuba JMHO. Nothing made my black car look better and now my Red mica Mazda. The metalic in the paint looks brilliant with Zaino.



I have been using carnuba's since 1978. I tried almost all including , Zymol , Malms, blue diamond , souvran,surluster, #26,#16,wax shoppe,P21S,all the Collinites( was my favorite ),Pink wax and hundreds of others.



IMHO nothing looks as good as sealants as a LSP. I will take Zaino and Z8 any day over

Souvran ( IMO Surluster is a tad bit better) and FK425. I think FK425 is a real nice product

its actually their best product by far.
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To me a good carn. wax has a deep, wet, mirror like shine. Zaino gives a excellant finish and durability but I don't care if I have to wax every week. IMHO waxes give the best finish for a shorter durability on my cars.
 
MDRX8 said:
To me a good carn. wax has a deep, wet, mirror like shine. Zaino gives a excellant finish and durability but I don't care if I have to wax every week. IMHO waxes give the best finish for a shorter durability on my cars.
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I prefer sealants, especially Zaino. I like the crisp crystal clear look. To me carnuba gives a foggy look. Top sealants like Zaino bring out the color especially on metalics. I attribute the warm look to the carnuba metlting on my car.



Neither one of us is right or wrong. Its all what we prefer.



The durability issue is of no concern to me as I would gladly detail my car 2-3 times a week if something was better Zaino to me. But so far nothing is better. Some sealants are getting cloe though.
 
Dogma is on to something. As much as I was loathe to try Zaino given past fanaticism on the boards it really does have a clarity that is hard to match by carnauba. I used to give carnauba the edge on wetness look but with Z-PC I find I can get anywhere from 95-100% of the wetness plus you get the durability bonus and even better in my mind (since I don't mind detailing frequently) the ability to restore to greatness after an in-between wash with Z-8.



I do realize that many folks will still or always prefer carnauba and so for me it is a personal preference. I have tons of respect for great carnaubas like P21S, Souveran, Signature, Nattys, Trade Secret, etc.
 
lbls1 said:
..... What concerns me is the product that works best on my finishes..
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Though I am a Zaino user (prep can make most LSP's almost indistinguishable after application) and tinkerer with almost all the products that we discuss here, this one sentence states it all. Use what you like and what works for you.



There are no miracle elixirs available. Just hard work, attention to details (following directions) and concentrate on the product line of your choice. MAKE IT WORK. Most will do just fine.



For 40 plus years I used and depended on carnuabas and it varies blends. They worked wonders for me, but that was in the past. Now that I can get the same results (appearance) and maintain those results for a longer period of time, not only the appearance but also the actual finish itself.



It is nice to have something more than a lube (carnuaba) between me (washing, dusting and QD'ing) and the actual finish itself. Sealants provide that physical barrier. Got minor marring in the sealant? Z5PRO and move on. If this doesn't work after a few months, cleanse with Z-PC Fusion, AIO, Menzerna FP, OP or Prime and re-apply sealant.

"Good-to-go" until next major prepping session.
 
You know...aside from the bashing and stuff....I have to go along with that statement. It is more important to find, develop, and use the combo that works best....for you.



Just stick to your guns, and compete. Sticking to good detail and using good methodology will work better for you than careless or unknowledgeable use of any particular product.
 
Prep with menzerna PO85RD (no longer made) works absolute wonders on my car. Add in RMG X 2 and Pin. Sourveran X 2 or 3 at least 24 hours apart will bring out a awesome shine on my red mica RX8. Zanio users I agree with you. It is exactly what type of finish you like. Keepin on!
 
lbls1 said:
I prefer a carnauba, in most cases including durability, over a Zaino.
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Which nuba? I'm curious because I've used Zaino and klasse pretty much exclusively because of durabilty, they beat any nuba I've tried hands down. But unfortunately I've purchased a car with horrible paint and I'm going to gave to use a glaze and nuba until I get it repainted and can go back to a sealant. The paint is beyond wetsanding, not enough CC, but the paint is good enough to last a couple years but with some major defects that need to be hidden as much as possible. But anyway I would love to know which nuba you get 6 months from? Thanks
 
Slickery said:
Which nuba? I'm curious because I've used Zaino and klasse pretty much exclusively because of durabilty, they beat any nuba I've tried hands down. But unfortunately I've purchased a car with horrible paint and I'm going to gave to use a glaze and nuba until I get it repainted and can go back to a sealant. The paint is beyond wetsanding, not enough CC, but the paint is good enough to last a couple years but with some major defects that need to be hidden as much as possible. But anyway I would love to know which nuba you get 6 months from? Thanks
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In your case glaze/collinite 845/ duragloss auquawax would be a great combo
 
It's been maybe 6-8 weeks since I've applied Klasse SG over a glaze (Meg's Deep Crystal 2 polish), and so far it's adhering very nicely.
 
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