Who ya gonna vote for?

[Mr. Clean]

YNOT, I'm struggling to determine if your post was pure sarcasm. I hope so. I thought for a moment while reading that I was going to have to call Godwin's Law, but it seems you stopped just short. :hmmm:

So...when voting...really think this one through everyone.

One could only hope. :huh: It would be great if they did a bit of individual research before "thinking" about it. But that is really a stretch.

 

[Mr. Clean]

Hate to quote myself, but will for a reference...

...national polling orgs which in all likelyhood hit a greater demographic than all of the aforementioned message boards combined.
...

You can check out this link http://http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspxfor the Gallup Polls. I had never visited the site, but found it quite interesting. Anyway, scroll down the page and on the bottom right you will find their demographic links. You won't find a demographic associated with boaters or detailers , but they seem to cover a decent range of possibilities.

Edit to add: CharlesW, this was in reference to our conversation(s) above.

 

[CharlesW]

You can check out this link http://http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspxfor the Gallup Polls. I had never visited the site, but found it quite interesting. Anyway, scroll down the page and on the bottom right you will find their demographic links. You won't find a demographic associated with boaters or detailers , but they seem to cover a decent range of possibilities.

Edit to add: CharlesW, this was in reference to our conversation(s) above.

Are you saying that boaters, sports fans and detailers don't belong in any of the listed categories? I would have thought I would have belonged in there somewhere.
I think every boater, sports fan or detailer I know would fit in at least one. In fact I think everyone I know would probably be included. So why are the results on the message boards so skewed. Is it because they haven't been interpreted by the experts yet?

Overall Candidate Support
Candidate Support by Gender
Candidate Support by Gender Among Whites
Candidate Support by Age
Candidate Support by Region
Candidate Support by Race
Candidate Support by Education
Candidate Support by Education Among Whites
Candidate Support by Political Party
Candidate Support by Political Party Among Whites
Candidate Support by Political Party and Ideology
Candidate Support by Political Party and Ideology Among Whites
Candidate Support by Church Attendance Among Whites
Candidate Support by Marital Status
Candidate Support by Marital Status and Gender
Candidate Support by "Red," "Purple," and "Blue" States

 

[Mr. Clean]

Are you saying that boaters, sports fans and detailers don't belong in any of the listed categories? I would have thought I would have belonged in there somewhere.
I think every boater, sports fan or detailer I know would fit in at least one. In fact I think everyone I know would probably be included. So why are the results on the message boards so skewed. Is it because they haven't been interpreted by the experts yet?

LOL, I know you know that is not what I'm saying. I still can't say why the results are so skewed other than to repeat my opinion that the numbers shown in the current Gallup Poll (+/- 49% McCain/46% Obama - I don't recall seeing what the margin of error is) is far more indicative of what actual voting tallies will likely be as opposed to your 2-to-1 and 3-to-1. :hmmm: What do you attribute the difference to be?

 

[YNOT]

Mr. Clean, I was being a bit sarcastic, but also a bit serious too. I'm not too fond of politics at all. They all make BS promises that neither one will ever keep all in the hopes to win over the majority of people.

It would be great if they did a bit of individual research before "thinking" about it. But that is really a stretch.

I plan to do my research...I'll research what kind of cars each candidate drives. Then I'll choose by who drives the 'cooler' and 'cleanest' cars.

:rofl

 

[Squirtgun]

A vote of Obama,is a vote for the anti-christ IMO.

After I saw his youtube deal about cutting our military to ridiculously low numbers and basically opening our borders for anyone and everyone.I knew he wasn't the candidate I wanted.

Besides all that Palin is much easier on the eyes than Biden

 

[CharlesW]

What do you attribute the difference to be?

I really have no idea.
The reason I started the poll was because of the big discrepancies at the other two sites.
Two things surprised me at DC.
1. The number of voters in such a short time. I guess we have more interests than just having nice vehicles.
2. The truly amazing discrepancy with the media polls.

A 74% to 26% spread compared to the most recent dead heat reported by the media.
You made the comment that "We see what we want to see", and I will admit I sure can't see it.
The DC vote is not large, but 47 voters is enough to have a fairly good cross section.
:dunno:

 

[Mr. Clean]

...They all make BS promises that neither one will ever keep all in the hopes to win over the majority of people...

Yes, they do and shame on them for doing it, but shame on those that believe it and vote accordingly. We seem to be less of a "united nation" and more of a country full of special interest groups looking for the option that feeds our own interests.

...I plan to do my research...I'll research what kind of cars each candidate drives. Then I'll choose by who drives the 'cooler' and 'cleanest' cars.
:rofl

Of course none of them will be driving themselves and all of the vehicles they are driven in are pretty non-descript.

 

[Mr. Clean]

CharlesW, are we in agreement that it is highly unlikely to see November final returns showing that wide of a margin?

 

[Troy@Protekt]

I'm really surprised Sheila hasn't gotten into this thread. She loves politics.

I, on the other hand, hate politics and have gotten to the point where I try not to listen to anything they have to say because what they say has nothing to do with what they really believe or with what they really will do.

Seeing all the signs in the yards and people on street corners waving and the irritating repetitive commercials bashing one another is enough to make me puke. I just want the election to be over.assout:

 

[CharlesW]

CharlesW, are we in agreement that it is highly unlikely to see November final returns showing that wide of a margin?

Even if the margin was that wide, the media would find a way to make it sound close.

Seriously, I don't expect to see a large margin, but I do wonder how many people are influenced by the media spin on the polls.
Many people really want to be associated with a winner and if a poll says they should be for X, then away they go, voting for X because they think that's the in thing to do.

Kind of like new wax products. I would bet the favorable posts and reviews have a very big effect on product sales. Someone says how great it is, gotta buy it.
Media says how much X is in the lead, gotta jump on the bandwagon.
The big problem with research is finding true information.
A long time ago a quote I remember went something like, "Don't believe anything you read and only about half of what you see."
Still seems appropriate in today's times.

 

[AutopiaAdmin]

I'm really surprised Sheila hasn't gotten into this thread. She loves politics.

I, on the other hand, hate politics and have gotten to the point where I try not to listen to anything they have to say because what they say has nothing to do with what they really believe or with what they really will do.

Seeing all the signs in the yards and people on street corners waving and the irritating repetitive commercials bashing one another is enough to make me puke. I just want the election to be over.assout:

I know they can be annoying but a lot of men and women have died so that we can enjoy democracy. Our politicians fight with words instead of guns and bombs and we are given the opportunity to elect our leaders. I think it's great!

So next time I come over to play Madden on Playstation, we need to take a break and watch some political talk shows and commercials. :dnaughty

 

[Mr. Clean]

...but I do wonder how many people are influenced by the media spin on the polls.
Many people really want to be associated with a winner and if a poll says they should be for X, then away they go, voting for X because they think that's the in thing to do.
...

It is sad to think that any voter could possibly have their vote influenced by a poll on projected votes. So you think that with the media coverage of today, Dewey would have defeated Truman?

 

[Troy@Protekt]

I know they can be annoying but a lot of men and women have died so that we can enjoy democracy. Our politicians fight with words instead of guns and bombs and we are given the opportunity to elect our leaders. I think it's great!

So next time I come over to play Madden on Playstation, we need to take a break and watch some political talk shows and commercials. :dnaughty

Democracy is great absolutely and I appreciate it greatly. :bigups

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Getting a President who's interest is what's best for this country as a whole ... priceless (and not gonna happen the way our Democracy is run, fueled by special interest money)

 

[Mr. Clean]

...Getting a President who's interest is what's best for this country as a whole ... priceless (and not gonna happen the way our Democracy is run, fueled by special interest money)

Sad, but probably true. The winning formula seems to be to wrap yourself in the American flag and then promise the world to as many groups as possible. This year, promising "change" from the current administrations policies may only garner the votes of about 50% of the electorate. I say this because even with GWB and his policies currently suffer abysmally low ratings a good number of people seem eager to elect someone who will in all likelyhood continue many of those same failed policies. There's another poll for CharlesW to go figure out.

 

[CharlesW]

It is sad to think that any voter could possibly have their vote influenced by a poll on projected votes.

It may be sad, but I do think it happens.

So you think that with the media coverage of today, Dewey would have defeated Truman?

Never gave it any thought before, but it is a possibility.
I do remember going to bed on election night with all the news media proclaiming Dewey the winner.
As usual, they weren't even close.

 

[CharlesW]

There's another poll for CharlesW to go figure out.

A better one might be how many people are so entrenched in their partisan politics that they would vote for Daffy Duck if their party nominated him.

 

[Mr. Clean]

A better one might be how many people are so entrenched in their partisan politics that they would vote for Daffy Duck if their party nominated him.

LOL. Don't we have a vote in here somewhere for Daffy Duck?

I'll say that I have voted for members from several different parties in local, state, and national elections. I agree with another poster (maybe on this site or maybe not) who said that the 2 party system seems to be letting us down of late. There has not been a viable candidate from either party that has excited me for quite a while now.

Segueing off on another example of how somehow these forum polls aren't truly representative...Ron Paul seemed to have a lot of supporters on some forums but that didn't seem to translate to actual votes. Anyway Ron Paul did pique my interest and I wish he had been in the race so we could have learned more about his vision/plan for America.

 

[Old Pirate]

I know they can be annoying but a lot of men and women have died so that we can enjoy democracy. Our politicians fight with words instead of guns and bombs and we are given the opportunity to elect our leaders. I think it's great!

One of the reason's i have 2 Purple Hearts........

 

[Bunky]

L I agree with another poster (maybe on this site or maybe not) who said that the 2 party system seems to be letting us down of late.

Yes it is since each candidate has to appeal to the extreme of each party so candidates in the middle usually do not make the cut.

For example, no dem could ever get nominated that agreed on the surge or anti-abortion and no gop person could unless they were against abortion or for gun control.

In reality at the congressional, state,local level, they have candidates are usually more moderate but the two party national system for president forces extreme polarization.