What is the most agressive polish?

maesal

maesal

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Hi !!

I'm looking for an very agressive polish to use it in the hardest paints. What is the most agressive polish that you know?

I've Menzerna Power Gloss and, 1z Pasta Intensiv. :waxing:
 
Those and the BlackFire products are really strong.



Are you using a PC or rotary and what pads?



That would help us make a better recommendation.....
 
Meguiar's Diamond Cut #85, and I remember reading about 3M Extra Cut Rubbing Compound(not sure if that is the name). Both are rotary only.
 
The most agressive thing that I've used is the "Stylez Compound" (which is Optimum Polish mixed with Hi Temp Extreme Cut). I haven't run into anything that it wouldnt take care of yet. Note that I've only used this combo via rotory.
 
I think that Menzerna Powergloss have the same cut as MG85 and is easier to work with and finishes better. I would not buy the MG85.



You live in Europe right? 3M have a very good compound called 09374 Perfect-it III Fast Cut or their new compound Trizact 50077.
 
I like the Hi-Temp EC, mixed with either OCP or 1Z Ultra but IMO it's not all *that* aggressive. But at least it's not rotary-only which can make it good for people trying to do rotary work with a PC.



Rotary-only stuff like the old 3M PI-III Extra Cut 05936 can be like liquid sandpaper and should be used cautiously. And it'll *definitely* need at least one follow-up product to remove the not-so-micro marring that it'll leave behind.



porta- the 09374 Fast Cut sounds even *more* aggressive than the Extra Cut :eek:
 
Accumulator said:
porta- the 09374 Fast Cut sounds even *more* aggressive than the Extra Cut :eek:
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Yes it is, use with caution :scared: This thing, with a rotary and a wool pad cleans what you want and what you don't want ;)



It's always better to have control over what we want to cut, if we don't remove the defects at the first pass better give it another one, if we do remove everything with only one pass maybe we are removing too much :eek:
 
Fast cut is very aggresive but a effective tool if you know what you are doing.



If I have to use a compound I go for Menzerna Powergloss or PPG SPP1001.



But Menzerna PO85RD3.02 with a wool pad is also very effective.
 
Heh heh, I sure hope people approach the really aggressive products with due respect!



porta said:
If I have to use a compound I go for Menzerna Powergloss
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Hmm...the other day I noticed that my painter goes through a lot of PG.



jgv- Yeah, noting that I accept my limitations ;) I'd hardly *ever* try to do serious correction in one pass; incremental work is a lot safer for me and I'd rather waste some time than have a huge "oops".
 
Accumulator said:
jgv- Yeah, noting that I accept my limitations ;) I'd hardly *ever* try to do serious correction in one pass; incremental work is a lot safer for me and I'd rather waste some time than have a huge "oops".
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That's the way I think also, the other day we had a red matalic Mazda where 3 passes with rotary/Menzerna Wool Pad/Menzerna PG wouldn't do almost anything and that's when we pick up the 3M FC bottle, 1-2 passes and it was scratch free :)



Then, we had a dark blue M3 with some heavy scratches on the hood, only one pass with the PG and they were almost gone, less hard clear coat, if we'd have gone directly with the 3M I'm sure we would have taken more than required ;)



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i spy a cobra super plush . . . heheh.



i cant wait til my menzerna gets here.



i currently have the entire hi-temp line, and their heavy compound, which falls right after extreme cut, has large enough abrasives in it to almost fool you into thinking you have picked up some wet sand from the beach.



i have yet to use it . . . havent had a car that needed a liquid wet sand . . .



i also have sample of P&S heavy compound I got from a local detailing shop . . . the abrasives in that product feel more noticable than the ones in hi-temps . . . . crazy



they are very girthy - but should you wish to sample them give me a jingle via PM. if you want to wait until friday after turkey day, ill have my menzerna and new formulas of the entire optimum line too. maybe you can send me a little cash for some shipping of samples . . .?
 
Way2SSlow said:
The most agressive thing that I've used is the "Stylez Compound" (which is Optimum Polish mixed with Hi Temp Extreme Cut). I haven't run into anything that it wouldnt take care of yet. Note that I've only used this combo via rotory.
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While the "mix" is easier to use and finishes slightly better the cut is reduced. HTEC is more aggressive without OP and the same goes for PG.
 
Hey !! Thanks for your comments. I was thinking about having a agressive compound for using it in very hard clear coats like Audi's. This weekend I detailed an Audi Allroad and I worked on the car for 16 h. I needed 2-3 passes of Power Gloss with rotary and Menzerna wool PAD for removing the swirls, very hard paint. This combo leaves a nice finish, but I did a pass with PO106FF and a green Propel PAD and the finish was amazing. With a harder product I could reduce the time required for the cut, and I'll use the product just in the cases that it'll be necessary.

Maybe, I'll look for Trizact 50077. 3M is expensive but I'm sure that is a very nice product.

Regards from Spain !!
 
SpoiledMan said:
While the "mix" is easier to use and finishes slightly better the cut is reduced. HTEC is more aggressive without OP...
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Yeah, I agree. Adding 1z Ultra to the EC doesn't seem to diminish its cut though, so the EC-PG/OHC combos sound good.



jgv- Heh heh, if I'm leery of my Extra Cut (which I've used enough to know it) then I'm sure I won't be reachinf for the fast cut anytime soon :D But I could sure use it on the M3. It's a '97 E36, maybe harder than the blue one you did...sure is going slowly with the H-T EC, many, many passes with a cutting pad (should've got some wool ones...). I'm astounded at how long it's taking :nixweiss



maesal- If you try that TriZact 50077 on an audi, let us know how it works out for you.
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, I agree. Adding 1z Ultra to the EC doesn't seem to diminish its cut though, so the EC-PG/OHC combos sound good.



jgv- Heh heh, if I'm leery of my Extra Cut (which I've used enough to know it) then I'm sure I won't be reachinf for the fast cut anytime soon :D But I could sure use it on the M3. It's a '97 E36, maybe harder than the blue one you did...sure is going slowly with the H-T EC, many, many passes with a cutting pad (should've got some wool ones...). I'm astounded at how long it's taking :nixweiss



maesal- If you try that TriZact 50077 on an audi, let us know how it works out for you.
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I'll look for some info about the product before buying it, 3M is a expensive brand here in Spain, and I don't know if the cut is similar to the Power Gloss...

I'll say something.

Thanks !!
 
Accumulator said:
I like the Hi-Temp EC, mixed with either OCP or 1Z Ultra but IMO it's not all *that* aggressive. But at least it's not rotary-only which can make it good for people trying to do rotary work with a PC.



Rotary-only stuff like the old 3M PI-III Extra Cut 05936 can be like liquid sandpaper and should be used cautiously. And it'll *definitely* need at least one follow-up product to remove the not-so-micro marring that it'll leave behind.
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Would you say that EC (un-mixed) is more or less aggressive than 05936? Im thinking about ordering some 3M, but have a 100% full bottle of HTEC EC that I just ordered to fit into my lineup, and would like to know where the 05936 falls?



Thanks.
 
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