What is the most agressive polish?

RogueM3 said:
Would you say that EC (un-mixed) is more or less aggressive than 05936? Im thinking about ordering some 3M, but have a 100% full bottle of HTEC EC that I just ordered to fit into my lineup, and would like to know where the 05936 falls?



Thanks.
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IMO the 05936 is considerably more aggressive than the H-T EC. The EC almost seems mild by comparison.



The 05936 is as aggressive as *I* want to use and I don't use it very often as I'd rather do more passes with a milder product.
 
Accumulator said:
IMO the 05936 is considerably more aggressive than the H-T EC. The EC almost seems mild by comparison.
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Wow...that sounds serious.

The 05936 is as aggressive as *I* want to use and I don't use it very often as I'd rather do more passes with a milder product.
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Hmm. Is it worth to buy the quart of it (I cant seem to find smaller quantities) or just use numerous passed of PG or EC?



Thanks in advance.
 
And how do you compare Menzerna Power Gloss with 3m Perfect-It III Rubbing Compound 05933?

I'll detail an Audi A8, 5 m of very hard clear coat !!! :buffing:
 
maesal said:
I'll look for some info about the product before buying it, 3M is a expensive brand here in Spain, and I don't know if the cut is similar to the Power Gloss...

I'll say something.

Thanks !!
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50077 Trizact 09374Fast cut is more aggresive then Menzerna PG.



jgv uses both and se what he wrote in this thread:



"That's the way I think also, the other day we had a red matalic Mazda where 3 passes with rotary/Menzerna Wool Pad/Menzerna PG wouldn't do almost anything and that's when we pick up the 3M FC bottle, 1-2 passes and it was scratch free "
 
porta said:
50077 Trizact 09374Fast cut is more aggresive then Menzerna PG.



jgv uses both and se what he wrote in this thread:



"That's the way I think also, the other day we had a red matalic Mazda where 3 passes with rotary/Menzerna Wool Pad/Menzerna PG wouldn't do almost anything and that's when we pick up the 3M FC bottle, 1-2 passes and it was scratch free "
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But are different polishes... The 50077 is (I think) the newest Rubbing Compound, the new version of 05933, but I'm not sure...
 
I think that 50077 is a replacement for some of their trizact disc, therefore it shold be very aggresive.
 
RogueM3 said:
Wow...that sounds serious.



Hmm. Is it worth to buy the quart of it (I cant seem to find smaller quantities) or just use numerous passed of PG or EC?
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If you mean a quart of the PI-III Extra Cut 05936, then a) you might find it hard to locate what with PI-III stuff being discontinued at least in the US and b) I just don't like using it all that much and as I work on my M3 (on and off as time permits) I leave the 05936 on the shelf and do multiple passes with the H-T EC (at least that's what I've done so far).



maesal- I might try something that aggessive on a never-polished-aggressively-before Audi. I didn't need it on ours but I would've used it if I'd had to. But I'd consider switching to wool pads for the aggressive passes too (not that *I* have ever done that).
 
I asked 3M about 09374 vs 50077. I'll update the post with the answer when they reply my mail.

Thanks !!
 
Very interesting. But I think I am going to order the 50077. I already have the new 3M

E80349 wich is extra fine cut for ceramic clears.



Thinking about buying the 3M 80345 wich is ultra fine for removing holograms but I already have a lot of fine polishes and the E80349 finishes out very good, almost in the same division as Menzerna.
 
porta said:
Very interesting. But I think I am going to order the 50077. I already have the new 3M

E80349 wich is extra fine cut for ceramic clears.



Thinking about buying the 3M 80345 wich is ultra fine for removing holograms but I already have a lot of fine polishes and the E80349 finishes out very good, almost in the same division as Menzerna.
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I spoke with 3M Spain and they don'y know about the 50077 :confused:

They reccomend me the 09374 or 80349 for a ceramic clear coat, the same that you mentioned. Have you tried the 80349? How does it compare with 09374, the same cut?

Both have similar price, around 30 €/1 L.

Thanks !!
 
Okey, strange that they don´t know antything about the 50077, but heres a webshop that sells 50077in germany, carparts -> Shop -> Politur -> Schleifpaste



Or search for it on ebay.de, a couple of € cheaper here but the same store.



80439 is extra fine cut, and I find it very similar to Menzerna FF (PO85RE5) I have them both and I prefere Menzerna(cheaper to).





Fast cut(09374) is muuuch more aggresive then 80439. 3M also have a new polish called 50383, anti-hologram wich shoud be very very fine cut. I don´t find this product necisary beacuse the 80439 will finish up very well, almost the same or very close to Menzerna FF.
 
Finally I bought 09374 Fast Cut. I'll check it on my father's car. Is a Mercedes C Class (non ceramiclear), wich has light-medium swirls, and they are present for testing the new products, hehe...

porta, I saw this eBay store also. Maybe next time I'll buy it. If you try it, please update the post.

Thanks !!
 
Well, yerterday I tried 09374 in a Seat Leon, 6 years old, never polished, lots of swirls. As I know 09374 cuts a lot, then I tried using it via PC to check if with 1 pass I could leave the surface swirl-free and to check the finish. I polished with a yellow cutting Propel pad for 1 min and a half and the surface obtained was 100 % swirl-free. The finish wasn't bad, but some (normal for this compounds) hazing. I followed it with 1z MP via rotary and the result was amazing. Then, I love this process. You can cut very fast and leave the surface swirl-free and then achieve the better gloss with a nice finishing polish like 1z MP, Menzerna Final Finish, etc...

What I loved also of this 09374 is that the abrasives break down very fast, you don't have to work the polish lots of time. Before I tried 09374, I used #83 via rotary and a Edge polishing pad and it took lots of time to break down, without leaving the surface swirl-free but with better gloss thant 09374. Yes, I know that both polishes have very different aggressiveness, but I was trying to achieve the same with them by using different ways to compare the results.

What I didn't love is that you can smell the solvents (naphthas), and I read in the label that you must use it in a well ventilated room, then I'll use an appropriate mask because my garage isn't very big.

I'll try 09375 and 09376.

Do you know if OHC breaks down fast? I know that the working time is "infinite" but, does the abrasives work since they touch the paint like I tried to describe here?

Thanks !!
 
Interesting. Still waiting for my 50077 and I also bought one bottle of 5038(ulta fine).

I find that OHC did nothing on a audi I polished this weekend.



IMO Menzerna and the new line from 3M is the best polishes in my world.
 
porta said:
Interesting. Still waiting for my 50077 and I also bought one bottle of 5038(ulta fine).

I find that OHC did nothing on a audi I polished this weekend.



IMO Menzerna and the new line from 3M is the best polishes in my world.
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My god, then I'll keep using 09374, not OHC.

What did you use in the Audi?

Could you please tell me something about 80439, comparing it wit Final Finish?

Thanks !!
 
I used Menzerna PO85RD3.02 with white compounding pads and after that I used a new typ of pad, think it´s the same material that the new Lake country CCS pads(orange) with FF(PO106FF).The car had some light swirls and some RIDS but the paint was hard as a rock. Used PG to prime the RIDS and after that I hit them with IP.



But the strange was that I could easily take out the big scratches but the small swirls was way harder to eliminate :nixweiss



The 80439 is pretty much the same as Menzerna FF, but I have only polished two cars with it so I don´t "know" the product yet.



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