Wax vs Sealant, Which is Better for UV Protection

[ihaveacamaro]

I GOTS THE POPCORN!! Who was asking for some?

 

[Reflectiveauto]

Trust me you are not the only one....

Lol...that's funny..I'm not paid by anyone..I'm just not impressed by Opti coat or Opti Seal..in the reflection or repelling of water. Btw how can anyone prove that opti coat is a permanent option? I'm sure its a good product but I see it pushed down peoples throat by opti coat reps by unknowing car owners.

 

[ihaveacamaro]

Lol...that's funny..I'm not paid by anyone..I'm just not impressed by Opti coat or Opti Seal..in the reflection or repelling of water. Btw how can anyone prove that opti coat is a permanent option? I'm sure its a good product but I see it pushed down peoples throat by opti coat reps by unknowing car owners.

show me one post where it's being pushed down anyone's throat by an Optimum Rep.


Not to mention I have not seen a post from you about anything positive other than a Nanoskin product. How can you talk about pushing a product down people's throats when it seems that is all you are doing.

To be clear, I have no problem with you or nanoskin. I'm sure you are a great detailer and I'm sure nanoskin makes great products (I love my speedy prep towel). But I feel you are being hypocritical. I am not trying to be offensive in any manner, just stating my observations.



To make matters worse, to my knowledge you have not even tried Opticoat. In one of your posts, you talked about "hearing" bad things about OC, but not your experiences using it in person. It seems logical to assume, then, that you have not even tried OC.


Here is what I am talking about:

Will do...I have heard of Optic Coat even cracking after a few weeks...no problems with what I use on my customers cars with the NanoSkin Shield. The NanoSkin Shield looks to offer better protection vs the elements so far in the PNW raining season so far.

Its ok..I will say it...I think OC/OS is a complete waste of money for what its marketed for...ok its a 2 Clear Coat...big deal...I heard a lot of problems after OC/OS was applied and it costs way too money. Ive seen on other "Car Forums" wondering if they got scammed with paying over $500 or even $1000 for the OC protection. For my age anything that is marketed for having a "Lifetime Warranty" makes me very skeptical and this product is shoved down peoples throats on different car forums since they have "OC" reps dealing their dope on members. Does it give extra protection? Im sure it does...Is it worth the extra $500.. $1000 or so for what people are paying for it? I don't think so.

I'm not going to elaborate on that it is Opti Coat and not OptiC coat. And that it is OptiGuard not OptiShield (OS as you mention).

 

[Reflectiveauto]

There are a lot of car forums where there are opti reps peddle the sealant like a drug. Prove to me that ooti coat or the name opti pro is a permenant sealant..no one can prove that. I see a lot people not getting their car opti coated without proper prepping and it looks nothing special.

 

[Orinda Auto Detail]

Lol...that's funny..I'm not paid by anyone..I'm just not impressed by Opti coat or Opti Seal..in the reflection or repelling of water. Btw how can anyone prove that opti coat is a permanent option? I'm sure its a good product but I see it pushed down peoples throat by opti coat reps by unknowing car owners.

I thought you Opticoat cars then top them with Nanoskin sealant... So don't you know about Opticoat? I do know this that if you do not prep the car right before opti coat application it will probably fail. That is not Opti coats though that is user error. It's almost like if your girl friend skipped every other day on birth control then ended up pregos and blamed the pill. So if your using Opticoat and having bad luck with I'll bet its in the prep work. The first time I opticoated a car I messed up and had to redo it. There are lots of threads here that explain in depth what should be done to get it right. But then again I don't know if your using it or not because you keep contradicting yourself

 

[ihaveacamaro]

There are a lot of car forums where there are opti reps peddle the sealant like a drug. Prove to me that ooti coat or the name opti pro is a permenant sealant..no one can prove that. I see a lot people not getting their car opti coated without proper prepping and it looks nothing special.

I have asked for a post, not your hearsay. There tends to be a difference in what people see/read and what they THINK they saw/read.

IMO, you should continue using nanoskin and be happy with it as you are getting the results that you want.

But don't downgrade a product you have never even tried.

 

[edjoe]

OK Guys, Thank's for the recommendations of wax over sealant as well as Todd's explanation of differences of UV protection of sealant vs durability of protection. In general though, does a carnauba wax inherently block UV better or worse than an engineered synthetic sealant?

 

[edjoe]

LOL.....Thanks Joe...

OP again sorry to thread jack, but sealant first and wax 2nd. Since you are in New Mexico try this kit BLACKFIRE Wet-Ice over Fire Kit

BFMS works great in the heat.

Its a little pricey but trust me you will better off in the long run.

Thanks, I'll look into this and wait till a sale or a better $$ time. So far my 1st purchase of a product was Blackfire rinse less wash and I've done both vehicles 2X with it and the results are amazing, smooth feeling and great shine with no scratches, therefore would like to try other BF stuff you recommended.

 

[skibik]

edjoe, I found out a person just needs to bite the bullet if it is something that is needed or you want. I myself decided to bite the bullet and have just ordered up some Blackfire Wet Diamond and also some Blackfire Crystal Seal. According to Todd and others here you you can't go wrong with Wet Diamond as a stand alone product and I myself decided to top it with the Crystal Seal for added protection. I also understand that the Crystal Seal works great as a stand alone product also and it is cheaper then Wet Diamond. :bigups

PS, no I am not getting paid by BF and not getting kickbacks for pedaling BF products (although I wish I was), and yes so far to me it is hearsay that BF are outstanding as I have yet to use them. I will probably do so as soon as the package arrives. Please do not ridicule me as I know there are a lot of other good products out there, it is that I just can't afford to buy and try them all and have to go by the word of what I read here on this informative and sometimes entertaining forum.

Dean.

:lol2: :rofl :lol2: :rofl :lol2:

 

[Orinda Auto Detail]

OK Guys, Thank's for the recommendations of wax over sealant as well as Todd's explanation of differences of UV protection of sealant vs durability of protection. In general though, does a carnauba wax inherently block UV better or worse than an engineered synthetic sealant?

Wax is better about blocking UV's I believe but also has to applied more often. If your willing to wax your car once a month you should be fine. Just first time you do I would make sure you clay it really well.

 

[Orinda Auto Detail]

PS, no I am not getting paid by BF and not getting kickbacks for pedaling BF products (although I wish I was), and yes so far to me it is hearsay that BF are outstanding as I have yet to use them. I will probably do so as soon as the package arrives. Please do not ridicule me as I know there are a lot of other good products out there, it is that I just can't afford to buy and try them all and have to go by the word of what I read here on this informative and sometimes entertaining forum.

Dean.

:lol2: :rofl :lol2: :rofl :lol2:

OMG Your my idol@!

 

[dd1101]

Thanks, I'll look into this and wait till a sale or a better $$ time. So far my 1st purchase of a product was Blackfire rinse less wash and I've done both vehicles 2X with it and the results are amazing, smooth feeling and great shine with no scratches, therefore would like to try other BF stuff you recommended.

Well a good starter kit try the Blackfire TPnS, top it with BFCS, and Midnight Sun Spray. All that should cost about $50.00 and the sister site is having a sale on it too. :rockon

 

[AndrewBigA]

Lol...that's funny..I'm not paid by anyone..I'm just not impressed by Opti coat or Opti Seal..in the reflection or repelling of water. Btw how can anyone prove that opti coat is a permanent option? I'm sure its a good product but I see it pushed down peoples throat by opti coat reps by unknowing car owners.

do you want to know whats funny? YOU
just stop it already.

 

[jlineman]

There are some sealants that provide excellent UV protection and long durability, some provide excellent UV protection (while they last) and short durability, some provide little UV protection and long durability, and so-on and so-on. The same can be said for specific waxes as well...

Ultimately, it comes down to the individual product... More then what the main protective ingredient is. Wax and sealant manufacturers have a vested interest in protection your finish because it keeps them in business.

In general, I would prefer a paint sealant for protection, because, in general, they last longer then most carnauba waxes and withstand heat better. If you want a best of both worlds approach, apply a paint sealant first then top that with a carnauba wax.

My question...from an uneducated person in all things...wax and sealant IS...how do you know either way if things bond or not. Same thing with things that claim to layer...how do you know? BY sight, by experience or the manufactures claim. I wiped on several coats of Blackfire sealant but couldn't tell you if there is two layers or not...how do we know? has it been proven in a lab...can layers be measured? I am just curious

 

[TacoHerder]

I think issue is everyone you were told by didnt use the product correctly. Better yet, they didnt prep properly. The thing is though, I have read more people who LOVE the product and didnt have those issues. Correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure Garry Dean uses Opti Gaurd. In all his videos the cars look AMAZINGLY shiny. I would simply suggest better wording next time, so people dont get so irate thinking you are knocking one product in favor of another you seem to boast about with out a proper comparison. Ease up on the on the poor fellow.

 

[TacoHerder]

My question...from an uneducated person in all things...wax and sealant IS...how do you know either way if things bond or not. Same thing with things that claim to layer...how do you know? BY sight, by experience or the manufactures claim. I wiped on several coats of Blackfire sealant but couldn't tell you if there is two layers or not...how do we know? has it been proven in a lab...can layers be measured? I am just curious

To know which way you use the product read the label. They will tell you how to apply the product to bond best. I cant say about the layering for sure. My opinion would be that the permanent sealants you can see a difference between 1 or 2 layers b/c of how the product works to protect the paint. Other sealants that last only a few months do not create a thick hardening outer layer that protects against scratching and UV rays. So layering will not be visible to the naked eye. Again, not an expert in that area so im just speaking from my common sense and what I already know.

 

[edjoe]

This is awesome :rofl

i'm a big Colbert fan!

 

[Reflectiveauto]

I think issue is everyone you were told by didnt use the product correctly. Better yet, they didnt prep properly. The thing is though, I have read more people who LOVE the product and didnt have those issues. Correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure Garry Dean uses Opti Gaurd. In all his videos the cars look AMAZINGLY shiny. I would simply suggest better wording next time, so people dont get so irate thinking you are knocking one product in favor of another you seem to boast about with out a proper comparison. Ease up on the on the poor fellow.

I never knocked the product..I have never used it. Im sure its good for what purpose it was made for. Btw Im friends with Garry Dean and we talk all the time.

 

[Reflectiveauto]

do you want to know whats funny? YOU
just stop it already.

LOL..just because Im not a fan boy of Opti Coat? The NanoSkin Shield Sealant works better in the environment that I detail in then what I have seen with Opti Coat does. Ive seen pics of Opti Coat with water on it...looks like it has no protection...but again please prove to me that it is permanent...no can prove that....not even the designers of Opti Coat can prove that. If I lived in a warmer environment and didn't really have to worry about a lot rain, snow and occasional 3 months of summer...I would probably use Opti Coat but I don't so I wont. Btw I have contacted several highline detailers in my area and some carry Opti Coat but they don't recommend it...but that's a different topic.

 

[Rsurfer]

Hey Gang, I got two DD's one a dark blue wagon that's garaged and the other a red pickup that's always out. What LSP offers better UV protection in the Southwest sun, wax or sealant? Looking forward to hear your recommendations and experiences.

Have you looked into Optimum Car Wax? It's the only spray wax that has two UV patents. Optimum claims that the UV protectant in OCW is similar to the UV protectants that paint manufactures use in their clear coats.