Optic Coat VS. NanoSkin Shield Sealant
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Old Pirate
AMG Classic Car Detailing
Show us in a year or two and report how their during with side by side pictures.
Reflectiveauto
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Will do...I have heard of Optic Coat even cracking after a few weeks...no problems with what I use on my customers cars with the NanoSkin Shield. The NanoSkin Shield looks to offer better protection vs the elements so far in the PNW raining season so far.
Rocket
New member
Most of those cases of OC failing are due to improper prep or a lack of understanding. Depending on what is used to wash the car a film can build up on the surface and alter/prevent beading. Even the method of application can alter beading.
These two products are completely different. You can't compare the two. One is a sealant while the other is a permanent coating. I think you should look at sealants to compare to Nanoskin. If you really want to compare do like Angelo said and check both in a year.
Reflectiveauto
New member
Im not basing the pics but basing them on the performance of Hydrophobic protection. After seeing the protection of the sealant I use I have seen no let up of protection and it looks the same as day 1. Im not bashing OC/OS in anyway but for what people are paying for that sealant and no one can prove it will last a "LifeTime", Ill just stick with the Sealant that I use, which I know will last alteast a year or even more. Its just that OC looks like a clearcoat with no proctection when water lays on it. A lot of people are on the OC/OS band wagon but not me.
Rocket
New member
I don't think there is a bandwagon to jump on at this point with OC. Its been around for a while now and is a proven performer. When it first came out David Fermani did a test with it on a car and it held up well. I was skeptical when it first came out but after using it for a year now I think it's a great product.
I'm sure Nanoskin is a fine product but you seem to want to compare it to everything and put it on a pedestal. From what I can tell I don't think you've tried Opticoat (correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe you should give it a try for yourself and see how you like it and how durable it is. These coatings are a different animal and durability is amazing. While they may not be for everyone they do have their place.
I am very interested in trying Nanoskin and I'm willing to bet I will like it but I need to use it myself before commenting on it.
I'm sure Nanoskin is a fine product but you seem to want to compare it to everything and put it on a pedestal. From what I can tell I don't think you've tried Opticoat (correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe you should give it a try for yourself and see how you like it and how durable it is. These coatings are a different animal and durability is amazing. While they may not be for everyone they do have their place.
I am very interested in trying Nanoskin and I'm willing to bet I will like it but I need to use it myself before commenting on it.
Reflectiveauto
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Im not putting it on a pedestal but for what it does and how it performs it fits my customers and my needs and I can recommend it to my clients without worries. If they wreck their car after the detail they are not out tons of money. What worries me is the "Lifetime" Marketing hype...the avg person will keep their car just a few years and when they trade that car with OC/OS on it they will not get anymore for it at all just because their car has that 2nd Clear Coat.
CH.Detailing
What's a detail?
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Reflectiveauto
New member
Its ok..I will say it...I think OC/OS is a complete waste of money for what its marketed for...ok its a 2 Clear Coat...big deal...I heard a lot of problems after OC/OS was applied and it costs way too money. Ive seen on other "Car Forums" wondering if they got scammed with paying over $500 or even $1000 for the OC protection. For my age anything that is marketed for having a "Lifetime Warranty" makes me very skeptical and this product is shoved down peoples throats on different car forums since they have "OC" reps dealing their dope on members. Does it give extra protection? Im sure it does...Is it worth the extra $500.. $1000 or so for what people are paying for it? I don't think so.
Optimum Opti-Coat 2.0 Permanent Paint Coating
$60.00 Man.
You must prep the car before OC, compound/polish and wipe down. I have paid $600.00 for a full exterior detail without OC. So dont assume OC cost that much......
Nutbread
New member
Why bother asking? Sounds like your mind is made up.
AndrewBigA
New member
your comparing a product that has been out, tried & true tested by many professionals for several years. then you have something new that is just a new product that you like with no record of durability. mb you can be the first to do your test? go test a permanent coating vs a wax. go test a compound vs a polish & question why the polish doesnt remove the deep paint defects that a compound would.??
a pic of water beading shows what? what information did you absorb from those 2 pics?
i think you should focus more mental energy on figuring out how to obtain more customers instead of these product tests that are just a waste of your time.
take pics of your work & build a portfolio. along the way find products you like & the ones you dislike is better off to just keep that to yourself.
instead of questioning the expensive price some detailers charge to apply OC, do more research to find out why those prices are what they are. any professional detailer that works full time for a living would charge anywhere from $400 low end to $1200 high end just for a full paint corection, done under various dif light sources to make sure its perfect under the sun. + another $250-$500 just for the extra time to apply the OC. you have alot to learn.
btwy, ive never used OC before but i think $1200-$1500 would be a fair price for me to charge my customers. they already pay $600-$900 without the coating. the questions is, who will be willing to spend that much for a detail? i know the work would be worth my time but im hesitant to even offer that to my customers. truth is i am probably missing out on some $ bc people are paying that, not my customers...yet!
good luck. :bigups
a pic of water beading shows what? what information did you absorb from those 2 pics?
i think you should focus more mental energy on figuring out how to obtain more customers instead of these product tests that are just a waste of your time.
take pics of your work & build a portfolio. along the way find products you like & the ones you dislike is better off to just keep that to yourself.
instead of questioning the expensive price some detailers charge to apply OC, do more research to find out why those prices are what they are. any professional detailer that works full time for a living would charge anywhere from $400 low end to $1200 high end just for a full paint corection, done under various dif light sources to make sure its perfect under the sun. + another $250-$500 just for the extra time to apply the OC. you have alot to learn.
btwy, ive never used OC before but i think $1200-$1500 would be a fair price for me to charge my customers. they already pay $600-$900 without the coating. the questions is, who will be willing to spend that much for a detail? i know the work would be worth my time but im hesitant to even offer that to my customers. truth is i am probably missing out on some $ bc people are paying that, not my customers...yet!
good luck. :bigups
skibik
New member
Wow, $600 to $900 for a detail job. No wonder I bought my own equipment and learning to do my own car.
I apologize if it sounds like I am knocking your rates, I am not, I am just a cheap person or I should say getting cheaper the older I get. After seeing the cars some of you detailer's have posted on this site if I could afford that I would love to have anyone one of you do my car.:bigups
I apologize if it sounds like I am knocking your rates, I am not, I am just a cheap person or I should say getting cheaper the older I get. After seeing the cars some of you detailer's have posted on this site if I could afford that I would love to have anyone one of you do my car.:bigups
GearHead_1
Long Time Member
In to watch this thread, I'm not knocking any product here. The beading verses sheeting thing has been done to death. Beads just for the sake of beads means nothing. In my opinion "Hydrophobic" is a buzz word that Nanoskin hopes people will latch on to. It's not new they didn't invent the concept. Hydrophobic literally means "water-fearing," and is used to describe the segregation and apparent repulsion between water and non-polar substances (Wiki's words).
Nanoskin like others adopts words like Hydrophobic hoping that their marketing hype will catch and stick. Meguiars has theirs, diminishing abrasives would be one example. Most companies have something to this effect on which they rely.
Nanoskin is just one of many companies who are seeking the same end result, to create a product that offers a sacrificial barrier that looks good, is easy to apply and maintain and lasts a long time. All companies are in the business to make a buck and are doing this with a specific price point in mind for their products. Some companies want to offer an inexpensive product that anyone can afford to use making their profits with volume sales, others want to offer a more and exclusive product that the elite will use, making their pennies by selling less product at a higher price point. The two products discussed in this thread are pretty good examples of this. From what I can see Nanoskin appears to be a product somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.
At the end of the day there are many LSP's that will deliver a great finished product. I suspect both of these products will do just that. In my opinion the most important thing to understand when it comes down to a particular product and automotive detailing is that it all comes down to proper prep. I can make a lot of inexpensive products look pretty dang good if I'll take the time to prep the surface properly. One of the best things any of these companies can do to move products it to get a few warriors on their side that aren't afraid to talk about their products. It's the old adage of one will get you eight.
Nanoskin like others adopts words like Hydrophobic hoping that their marketing hype will catch and stick. Meguiars has theirs, diminishing abrasives would be one example. Most companies have something to this effect on which they rely.
Nanoskin is just one of many companies who are seeking the same end result, to create a product that offers a sacrificial barrier that looks good, is easy to apply and maintain and lasts a long time. All companies are in the business to make a buck and are doing this with a specific price point in mind for their products. Some companies want to offer an inexpensive product that anyone can afford to use making their profits with volume sales, others want to offer a more and exclusive product that the elite will use, making their pennies by selling less product at a higher price point. The two products discussed in this thread are pretty good examples of this. From what I can see Nanoskin appears to be a product somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.
At the end of the day there are many LSP's that will deliver a great finished product. I suspect both of these products will do just that. In my opinion the most important thing to understand when it comes down to a particular product and automotive detailing is that it all comes down to proper prep. I can make a lot of inexpensive products look pretty dang good if I'll take the time to prep the surface properly. One of the best things any of these companies can do to move products it to get a few warriors on their side that aren't afraid to talk about their products. It's the old adage of one will get you eight.
Stokdgs
dansautodetailing.com
Reflective -
I have used a lot of Opti-Coat 2.0 and Opti-Guard, and I have never had any of the issues you mentioned others having.
I have even done all 3 of our vehicles in Opti-Coat 2.0 and Opti-Guard, driven one of them 3,000 miles through a zillion bugs and bad weather, and all of the bugs and dirt just came off very easily and the finish looks outstanding ( 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee, Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Paint).
I need to add that throughout this 2 week trip, I made several stops to visit family, Chip Foose's Shop, etc., and the only debris that actually stuck to the paint until I washed them off were the tons of bugs I hit. The rest of the Jeep surfaces stayed a lot cleaner than ever before, and I have as well as most of us, gone down the road many times with several different products on as many panels, to do my own Field Testing..
The Jeep just looked and stayed clean (except for the stuck on bugs), the entire 3000 miles. So, in this Field Test, Opti-Guard passed the " not as much stuff sticks to the paint as easily" Test with flying colors.
In the State of Washington where I live, there are many, many, people who are more than willing to have a perfect to near-perfect paint correction, perfect Interior, Engine and compartment, and Trunk, of their Tahoe, E63AMG, 360 Modena, 348TS, M5, etc., and not even question my recommendation of something to help preserve their paintwork and along the way, to make it much easier to maintain their finish when I am not doing it for them.
I believe that Optimum has stated on the record that their product above, has been on test vehicles for 5 years with no issues. I am looking for the all the vehicles I have treated thus and my personal fleet to go at least that long or more.
I took a long while to get to the steps to actually try this Optimum product, and have been reading for years on it, and carefully formulating my opinion of if, as well as a host of other products out there that pop up - what - every year - and seem to have a lot going at the start, and then slowly fade away as the public tries them out and finds out their weaknesses, strengths, etc.. Kind of like how Microsoft does when it introduces yet another operating system, right ??? Yes, I am right.
I think that if a Detailer has a good enough Reputation for doing above world-class work AND only recommending and using the best performing products for Every particular situation and price point, that alone will be all most Clients will ever need to know, and they will pay what you ask.
So, I hope you find much good about your apparent "golden boy" product, and have the test results and experience to back up what you are saying, and turn this into a huge success for yourself and your business !
Dan F
I have used a lot of Opti-Coat 2.0 and Opti-Guard, and I have never had any of the issues you mentioned others having.
I have even done all 3 of our vehicles in Opti-Coat 2.0 and Opti-Guard, driven one of them 3,000 miles through a zillion bugs and bad weather, and all of the bugs and dirt just came off very easily and the finish looks outstanding ( 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee, Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Paint).
I need to add that throughout this 2 week trip, I made several stops to visit family, Chip Foose's Shop, etc., and the only debris that actually stuck to the paint until I washed them off were the tons of bugs I hit. The rest of the Jeep surfaces stayed a lot cleaner than ever before, and I have as well as most of us, gone down the road many times with several different products on as many panels, to do my own Field Testing..
The Jeep just looked and stayed clean (except for the stuck on bugs), the entire 3000 miles. So, in this Field Test, Opti-Guard passed the " not as much stuff sticks to the paint as easily" Test with flying colors.
In the State of Washington where I live, there are many, many, people who are more than willing to have a perfect to near-perfect paint correction, perfect Interior, Engine and compartment, and Trunk, of their Tahoe, E63AMG, 360 Modena, 348TS, M5, etc., and not even question my recommendation of something to help preserve their paintwork and along the way, to make it much easier to maintain their finish when I am not doing it for them.
I believe that Optimum has stated on the record that their product above, has been on test vehicles for 5 years with no issues. I am looking for the all the vehicles I have treated thus and my personal fleet to go at least that long or more.
I took a long while to get to the steps to actually try this Optimum product, and have been reading for years on it, and carefully formulating my opinion of if, as well as a host of other products out there that pop up - what - every year - and seem to have a lot going at the start, and then slowly fade away as the public tries them out and finds out their weaknesses, strengths, etc.. Kind of like how Microsoft does when it introduces yet another operating system, right ??? Yes, I am right.
I think that if a Detailer has a good enough Reputation for doing above world-class work AND only recommending and using the best performing products for Every particular situation and price point, that alone will be all most Clients will ever need to know, and they will pay what you ask.
So, I hope you find much good about your apparent "golden boy" product, and have the test results and experience to back up what you are saying, and turn this into a huge success for yourself and your business !
Dan F
Woob
New member
#1 Use what you love and ultimately keeps money in your pocket.
#2 They are 2 completely different products.
#3 Prep is the most important thing.
On that note, I keep seeing how many users seem to dislike the effect/results with OC. Most if not ALL are DIY individuals. Either it doesnt bead or it doesnt shed dirt or the look is poor. Appearance is a result of the prep you've done. Beading is far overrated. Dirt shedding is more apparent in the glass coatings/alternative non ceramic based coatings.
I've hardly seen any "professionals" who dislike the product, if anything it's a godsend product that protects. OC quite a few vehicle, my own SUV that went through 3 full trips down the East coast. Washing was simple, dirt removed ridiculously easy and the finish looked exactly as I prepped it on the night OC was applied. Also all my clients are enthusiastic and just notice their vehicles stay clean.
OC underwhelms you in the first 6 months, after 1 year you'll start falling for OC quite well IMO. Also, its $60 freaking dollars for 4 vehicles. Where in the world do you find a product with that performance in the past 10 years?
#2 They are 2 completely different products.
#3 Prep is the most important thing.
On that note, I keep seeing how many users seem to dislike the effect/results with OC. Most if not ALL are DIY individuals. Either it doesnt bead or it doesnt shed dirt or the look is poor. Appearance is a result of the prep you've done. Beading is far overrated. Dirt shedding is more apparent in the glass coatings/alternative non ceramic based coatings.
I've hardly seen any "professionals" who dislike the product, if anything it's a godsend product that protects. OC quite a few vehicle, my own SUV that went through 3 full trips down the East coast. Washing was simple, dirt removed ridiculously easy and the finish looked exactly as I prepped it on the night OC was applied. Also all my clients are enthusiastic and just notice their vehicles stay clean.
OC underwhelms you in the first 6 months, after 1 year you'll start falling for OC quite well IMO. Also, its $60 freaking dollars for 4 vehicles. Where in the world do you find a product with that performance in the past 10 years?