Want to clean my leather.

Rtom said:
I have a hard time digesting that Woolite is good for cleaning anything except in a washing machine.



I use paint safe APC all the time on all surfaces and I haven't seen any downsides yet. I'm sure there are harsher APCs out there that aren't suitable for ALL surfaces (figures... ALL PURPOSE cleaner).



Why not just go straight for the leather cleaner and conditioner?



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Do you know the pH values of these APCs you have used?



Do you know the pH values of the Leather Structure or its Finish?



Then you would know its downsides.



You would also know where to look for it!





It's wiser to go straight for Leather Cleaner and Conditioner.



And sampling them from your own experience would be better than hearsay.



When you follow leather cleaning science you will be far educated on:



What to use!



How to use!



When to use!



Why you use!



Results will be predictable, whatever the leather condition is.





Roger Koh

Leather Doctor®
 
I went the steam route and APC 10:1......



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[quote name='silvSS03']I went the steam route and APC 10:1......





Looks Good!



Can you tell us the pH of your APC?



And also the Temperature of your Steam?





Roger Koh

Leather Doctor®
 
Roger Koh said:
[quote name='silvSS03']I went the steam route and APC 10:1......





Looks Good!



Can you tell us the pH of your APC?



And also the Temperature of your Steam?





Roger Koh

Leather Doctor®





Thanks!



Not sure of the pH info on meguiars APC 10:1? I had the steamer at medium.



I did read a post somewhere about the pH in certain products I'll look for it.
 
silvSS03 said:
Of course it does! Did you have a bad experience with "STEAM" or some **** like that?



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Yes!





I was once question whether I was a "LEATHER BUTCHER"?





Not knowing that the average pH of leather is 3 - 5.





And leather has a Heat Shrinkage tolerance known as (T's).





It is hard to face the truth.





Especially when we are oblivious of any symptoms to the leather of over exposure from pH and temperature.





We do not know what's missing until our next crossroad experience!





That's how I learn and improve on performance.





Hope you do likewise!





Roger Koh

Leather Doctor®
 
HD Total. Not sure about the pH rating, but I'll trust the guys over at HD when they say that it's safe for coated leather.



When it comes to the uncoated stuff I tend to use a dedicated leather product or a steamer. I think that as long as the steamer isn't right up against the leather, the heat shouldn't make much of a difference. At that point, the vapour is more of a "warm mist". The again, how often do you see uncoated leather in cars these days?



And to think... I thought leather was just cow hide ;)
 
AeroCleanse said:
Are you going to tell us whats better stuff than Leatherique?



I have mentioned it many times before, but here it is again.



LRT - no website. ph#267-228-5682

They are selling Quaker products.

Industrial Chemicals Manufacturer,Industrial Organic Chemicals,Industrial Chemicals Supplier,Industrial Organic Chemicals Manufacturers,India



Refinish Coatings -

Home

They are selling Stahl products.

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judyb said:
If as you say it is in bad condition it may be that it needs restoration work rather than 'cleaning'. If the pigment is cracked (even if you cannot see them) it means that cleaning wil not resolve the problem. Once pigment is cracked you need to replace the pigment/finish and then maintain the leather once again to keep it looking good.



APC and Woolite are not recommended to clean leather.



What products do you find clean well but are not too harsh?



What do you use to protect with? In the past I have 303 and Leather Masters Protectant. They do a decent job but I was wondering if there are better.



Edit: I just saw Quality Leather's post, I guess these are what you use.
 
I use Meg's APC diluted to the correct ratio to clean my leather and have not seen any adverse effects on my leather thus far. The label on the APC says that it is safe for leather and I trust Meguiar's.



You can create a large volume of leather cleaner from the Meg's APC, and 1 gallon of this cleaner only costs around $15. I'm not going to break the bank on leather cleaner that costs a dollar per ounce. That's my two cents.
 
micjmac said:
I use Meg's APC diluted to the correct ratio to clean my leather and have not seen any adverse effects on my leather thus far. The label on the APC says that it is safe for leather and I trust Meguiar's.



You can create a large volume of leather cleaner from the Meg's APC, and 1 gallon of this cleaner only costs around $15. I'm not going to break the bank on leather cleaner that costs a dollar per ounce. That's my two cents.



In a water-based cleaner the leather safety lies in the difference between the leather pH neutral with the solution pH value.



And leather can only take up to a certain threshold of “pH Intolerance� from its pH neutral of 3 – 6.



Beyond the pH intolerance, it manifest as symptoms of “Alkaline Over-Exposure�.



We often have mistaken alkaline over-exposure of “brightness� as “cleanliness�.



And that leads to “tackiness� a sign of leather finish deteriorating.



As the leather deteriorates it first sign will be stiffness that when neglected will leads to cracks.





Using a leather-safe (pH 3-5) system enables us to service high-ends leathers that will also leads us to their high-end homes and high-class offices where leathers are abound.





Besides auto, there are plenty of leather furnishing in homes and offices.



And they would also want their expensive boots, gloves, garments and handbags clean too.



To grow our money in our bank cleaning leathers has to go beyond cleaning.



It also includes Repairs, Rejuvenating and Refinishing.





A Baxter® Aniline Sofa and two arm chairs total refinishing was billed for $4990.



A Channel® ladies bag total refinishing billed for $750



A Zegna® reversible leather jacket total refinishing billed for $790

(better than new condition after a restaurant food spills damage).





With these high-end billing you thinks we're going to break our bank even “leather cleaner that costs a dollar per ounce�?





Leather services is the most lucrative business in the cleaning and restoration industry.





Roger Koh

Leather Doctor®
 
todd@bsaw said:
I wonder why that is? :confused:



Adjusters and owners are equally willing to pay up to one third of value of leather items to be restored to “SHOWROOM CONDITION�.



And when we specialize we moves across these leather segments of the industry.





Not only auto leather seats but the followings too!



1 Motion Leathers:

Besides the Auto, Airplanes, Ship and Train is one category known as Motion Leathers – Leather that moves people on the move!





2 Leather Furnishing - both Residential and Commercial:

Brands like de Sede®, Rolf Benz® etc.



3 Leather Fashion Wear:

Brands like Brioni®, Zegna®, Hugo Boss®, etc.





4 Fashion Accessories:

Brands like Channel®, Fendi®, etc.





Roger Koh

Leather Doctor®
 
What products do you find clean well but are not too harsh?



Hope you find this information useful



This is a response to several articles on leather cleaning recently posted on various forums. We have checked all our facts and discussed various points with a tannery, leather technologists and our product research specialists. The views expressed below have been formed over 20 years of leather cleaning and restoration experience and with constant reference to the people mentioned above.



On some posts recently there has been reference to pH levels. I would imagine that most of you find this very confusing and unnecessary. In all our years of successful cleaning and restoring leather I have never once referred to or been influenced by pH values. My advice would be to use specific leather products that have been tried and tested by your supplier who should also be willing to support you through any problems. The constant reference to pH may lead some to think that pH is more important than product formulation and can therefore use any cleaner of the correct pH. Leather is NOT a fabric and cleans in a different way for which specific products have been formulated. These will have the correct pH values for the job they are designed for, you and I do not need to worry about them even if we do know them.

Strong acids and strong alkalines and dry solvents all have the potential to damage leather finishes so are not used for cleaning, they are used for restoration or technical processes, your cleaners if correctly supplied will not be of that nature.

Anyone supplying a bewildering array of products with varying pH levels is only using it a a marketing ploy and to try to further confuse an already mind blowing array of cleaners and 'conditioning' products. Cleaners produced by companies specific to the leather industry will all have tested and retested their products and they will all be the correct level of pH to use safely as a cleaner. If these cleaners do not do the job then there is something else that is causing the problem which may then need other (more technical products) to rectify.



Spotting and problem solving in the cleaning process should be done using the same specified cleaning products but with reference to CHAT (TACT) Chemical, Heat, Agitation, Time (see separate article – to follow).



As a general rule and particularly with pigment coated leathers you will only be cleaning the surface or finish so your cleaning process will never come into contact with the actual leather (think wiping down a painted wooden surface) so why is the pH of the leather so important. Things that cannot be resolved in this way are more likely not cleaning problems. Ink, colour loss, fading, finish cracking, permanent staining, surface abrasion, most paints, nail varnish, dye transfer, excessive soil due to body oils, inappropriate use of products etc. are damage, not dirt and excessive cleaning without fully understanding the problems, the causes and the solutions is more likely to cause further damage.



Learn what is cleaning and what is restoration and do not let the first develop into the second unless you are prepared to deal with it. It can be expensive if you can’t.



Then we return to the ‘feeding’ ‘conditioning’, ‘nourishing’ topic.

It is incredibly difficult to remove the ‘natural’ oils from leather especially using detergent cleaners so replacing them is totally unnecessary and possibly detrimental on both finished and unfinished leathers. Modern C/T (Chrome Tanned) upholstery leather is a very sophisticated product and has been for decades. The notion that it is something straight from nature that has to be fed and nourished is totally incorrect (unless you are dealing with conservation and restoration in the museum and antique sense). The oils and fats in C/T leather are introduced after the C/T processes have reduced the skin to pure collagen fibre (there maybe a tiny amount of fat left but it is of no significance). The fat liquoring process carefully introduces fats/oils of a specific type back into the leather to coat the fibres. These are balanced to produce the desired end product and are very stable and very difficult to remove. Trying to add more fat/oil etc is totally unnecessary and is of no benefit. On an absorbent leather products used for ‘conditioning’ and ‘feeding’ will soak into the leather upsetting the balance and over time change it to the detriment of the leather. If the leather is non absorbent then these products have no where to go so will sit on the surface, getting slightly sticky and attracting more dirt. If they do manage to ‘get in through the cracks’ the results will be the same as absorbent leathers with the added problem of adversely affecting the bond between surface coatings and the leather.

Copyright LTT Ltd 2007 (amended 2010)



What do you use to protect with? In the past I have 303 and Leather Masters Protectant. They do a decent job but I was wondering if there are better.



We have found during testing that 303 does not work on leather as a protector against dirt and oils. LM protector was always of a very high standard and they still produce a good quality protector but there are better on the market. The protector produced by the factory for LTT always keep theirs at a standard at least 50% stronger than any other on the market (this is tested rigorously).



Hope this helps
 
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