UK Detail: Mr.Paul Dalton

99ITR_SC said:
But yah, his pics look really good... but on a brand new car? I'd like to see him do some restoration on a 15 year old swirled car...! But I would imagine that quite a few dudes on this forum are as good as this guy...! Detailing is not rocket science......if you know what you're doing and have a lot of experience, you can invariably be incredible if you have the passion for it..! That being said, imagine getting paid that much to detail... hes probably going to end up as rich as some of his clients!!!!
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I see your point here but I'd rather do new ones any day. Especially if they are going to pay more.
 
GregCavi said:
If he can find some people to pay that insane amount of money, good for him. I think its insane. Top notch work though.



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Exactly. Nobody is disputing his chops rather expressing amazement at the folks who would pay that absolutely insane price for a car detail that many here can duplicate, dare I say some can beat.
 
99ITR_SC said:
I live in London and the people here are WILD rich. I am talking, going out to a bar and spending 50,000 pounds (100,000 USD) just for a fun night out. These people have so much money they really lose sight of what things cost, and are willing to pay for anything.
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Remember, Paul is based in Surrey where there's quite a bit of money as well. My brother lives in London and he often tells me how much they spend on going on out the weekends. I almost faint every single time...
 
justin30513 said:
The only thing is, I bet there is not one pro (or novice) detailer here that would trade shoes with him for his clients or money made.
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Justin, do you mean "wouldn't?"



I agree that if he can fetch that kind of scratch, then go for it. In fact, he would be crazy to charge anything less. I'm also glad I saw this thread and the other one because I had a different impression of him based on that video.
 
Phew just found this little thread aswell......



As you say without the power of the internet id be sending postcards.......



Let me say that what Paul has done on my car is fantastic but it was not a $5000 dollar detail.......



It was a good price for a fantastic job...........



I think the things we have to remember when contemplating Pauls work in the uk and Europe using zymol or whatever products he uses they are all relevant....



A decent car workshop or dealership in the uk will charge you £75 per hout $140 dollars to you.....FACT!!!! Not many professions or trades in the uk come cheap......



Pauls charges are totally justified for the quality of service he gives and the end result which will add value to the car come selling time......He also spends a lot of money on testing products infact i can go as far as saying if something comes out he will have bought it and tried it and if it can better what he offers he will offer it!!



Paul offers a bespoke service tailored to the customers needs and most people think that all Pauls details are Ferraris etc but some are not just run of the mill cars that people cherish and paul structures his prices for the job in hand......Everyone in life has a choice to buy a grocery product be it $1 dollar or $100 and they make the decision whether they think its worth it as nobody gives money away for free and everybody works hard to get it.....



The other thing with regards to Pauls work is i have read alot of questions regarding new cars being done by Paul.....



My answer to that is simple.....Since legislation changed in Europe (worldwide?) about the process of making car paint by companys like dupont and basf the newer waterbased paints do not give as good result in my opinion......I know for a fact that my car upon inspection had a pin pricked effect across the whole car in the clearcoat.....This was not delivery wax as some people presumed more like a recipocation of the clearcoat and something Paul spotted straight away........



Paul improved my factory paintjob 100% and has given the car the best preparation it can have for its life with me.......



I wash at least 2 to 3 times a week......I run an ro water setup in my garage nearly peaking at 2000 gallons per day and car gets rinsed in ro everyday before putting away without fail come rain or shine.........



The other major problem when posting as im sure you can understand is photographs.....



It is so difficult to get a true percertion of the work done and to get fair comparisons is almost impossible!!!!!



You do the best you can and tell the truth to help other members to achieve what they are looking for........



And Justin if you come to the uk im sure Paul and myself will gladly meet you for a bud!!!
 
The guy is good at what he does. He has found a market that allows him to charge people a more than premium price and we should applaud his good fortune. We here in the states can't charge anywhere near that much so we have to find a way to be happy with that. I, for one, try to focus on the joy I get from detailing. I charge what I charge and my customers get a car that looks better then when they first bought it. At the end of the day I am happy and that's all that matters.



When all is said and done who really cares what this guy makes.....we aren't paying for it and it's not affecting out bank accounts. Like someone else said, they guy isn't a hack and is very knowledgeable about his craft. I think we need to celebrate another human beings accomlishment in a positive way. He could be selling crack to our kids!!
 
P1et said:
Remember, Paul is based in Surrey where there's quite a bit of money as well. My brother lives in London and he often tells me how much they spend on going on out the weekends. I almost faint every single time...
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Surrey or no Surrey multi-millionaire in the States is equally rich as multi-millionaire in Surrey, dollar for dollar. Los Angeles and Las Vegas are few of vanity capitals of the world. Still you don't see casino magnats and mega-stars/producers willing to pay those kind of the rates to Superior Shine (I am sure Joe wouldn't complain if they were) even though their buying power is same, if not better, here. I guess it is different mentalities more than anything so I doubt Mr. Dalton would be doing much better than Joe or Joe much worse than Mr. Dalton if they both started career from same starting point in same environment. This is not meant in any way as devaluing Mr. Dalton's work and competency, it is just a reminder that success is part person, part hard work, and part luck and being at the right place at the right time.
 
Hi Everyone, this is my first post on this fantastic forum! Paul Dalton is well known here in the UK mainly for his publicity in the press. He is a very talented, hard working professional that has had a fair share of luck, I'm sure you will all agree! ;)



I have been involved with the concours show scene here in the UK for over 20 years (competing, organizing and judging). As you can imagine I know my detailing! But back to the point, I know someone who I regard as talented as Paul Dalton, and importantly, I know has a proven track record in winning in concours competition. His name is also Paul. He is super specialized in his work, doing only concours specification preparation on both classic and new vehicles. He offers machine paint correction, as well as hand applied products. What Paul does is an art, a skilled craft. It simply is like watching an artist or a sculptor work. This isn't just a service it is an experience. He is the most passionate guy I have ever met with regard to detailing.

I will try and post some photos soon so you can see the results for yourself.
 
TotalPerfection said:
Hi Everyone, this is my first post on this fantastic forum! Paul Dalton is well known here in the UK mainly for his publicity in the press. He is a very talented, hard working professional that has had a fair share of luck, I'm sure you will all agree! ;)



I have been involved with the concours show scene here in the UK for over 20 years (competing, organizing and judging). As you can imagine I know my detailing! But back to the point, I know someone who I regard as talented as Paul Dalton, and importantly, I know has a proven track record in winning in concours competition. His name is Paul Wiltshire. He is super specialized in his work, doing only concours specification preparation on both classic and new vehicles. He offers NO machine paint correction, only hand applied products. What Paul Wiltshire does is an art, a skilled craft. It simply is like watching an artist or a sculptor work. This isn't just a service it is an experience. He is the most passionate guy I have ever met with regard to detailing. His client list is ever growing, yet remains super exclusive - Paul Wiltshire does not advertise, all his clients are purely through recommendations. His work is not cheap (nowhere near as expensive as Paul Dalton!), but in my experienced, skilled opinion is truly exceptional.



I will try and post some photos soon so you can see the results for yourself.



Like all things in life, quality, skill and craftmanship don't come cheap!
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Welcome!



I am not sure that I understand your discription of the other Paul. Do you mean that he works on cars that have perfect finishes or that he removes imperfections by hand?



Sure can't wait to see pictures.
 
tdekany said:
Welcome!



I am not sure that I understand your discription of the other Paul. Do you mean that he works on cars that have perfect finishes or that he removes imperfections by hand?



Sure can't wait to see pictures.
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I agree and can't wait to see what this guy can do!!!
 
Paul Wiltshire works on vehicles that require concours, show standard preparation. He only does what he considers can be achieved by hand, this certainly doesn't mean starting with vehicles with perfect paint finishes, far from it! As you will know most classic and new factory vehicles have far from perfect paint...



With deep swirls, deep scratches, stone chips, dents etc, Paul Wiltshire refers clients to a specialist bodyshop that can rectify this work either with machines if the paint is good enough (unfortunately very rarely the case at this stage) or a repaint. Paint rectification is not what he does, his art is beautification with extreme attention to detail, using his experience as a multi-concours winner. His techniques were passed down from his grandfather to his father, and from father to son. All competed in concours competitions and all were winners. As you can imagine many of his techniques, products and tools are rather unique, some I am pleased to say are oldschool, some are the latest cutting edge technology, all tailored to suit the individual.



Please bear with me with regards to photos as I will have to enlist the help of my son to scan and upload them!



I don't believe Paul Wiltshire knows of this forum, I will call him tonight to inform him. It would be great if he could introduce himself to you and answer your questions in more detail.



P.S. I have been using Paul for 10 years now on my private collection, he has even worked his magic on my bespoke equestrian horse-box!
 
Alright so let me get this straight, you know of a guy named Paul who is a "magician" with paint because he makes perfect paint better? And if it's not perfect and has deep swirls, he tells the client to get a new paintjob?!?!?!
 
TotalPerfection said:
Paul Wiltshire works on vehicles that require concours, show standard preparation. He only does what he considers can be achieved by hand, this certainly doesn't mean starting with vehicles with perfect paint finishes, far from it! As you will know most classic and new factory vehicles have far from perfect paint...



With deep swirls, deep scratches, stone chips, dents etc, Paul Wiltshire refers clients to a specialist bodyshop that can rectify this work either with machines if the paint is good enough (unfortunately very rarely the case at this stage) or a repaint. Paint rectification is not what he does, his art is beautification with extreme attention to detail, using his experience as a multi-concours winner. His techniques were passed down from his grandfather to his father, and from father to son. All competed in concours competitions and all were winners. As you can imagine many of his techniques, products and tools are rather unique, some I am pleased to say are oldschool, some are the latest cutting edge technology, all tailored to suit the individual.



Please bear with me with regards to photos as I will have to enlist the help of my son to scan and upload them!



I don't believe Paul Wiltshire knows of this forum, I will call him tonight to inform him. It would be great if he could introduce himself to you and answer your questions in more detail.



P.S. I have been using Paul for 10 years now on my private collection, he has even worked his magic on my bespoke equestrian horse-box!
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I am eager to see what Mr. Wiltshire has to offer! This man sounds phenomenal. Can't wait for the pics to come :)
 
HAHAHAHAHA - fair play to the guy.



i'm not going to knock the guy for being VERY successful in is job. more successful than anyone else?? well, if he's making that.....i guess.



lets face it - if you have just blown all that £Â£Ã‚£Ã‚£ on a Lambo or Roller then you have the cash to spend on THE TOP OF THE LINE DETAILER.
 
I still do not understand why people knock this guy at all. He brings attention to the wonderful world of detailing cars. He is very succesfull in what he does, yet half the people on here, still want to knock him. Only thing I can think of is jealousy.
 
joshtpa said:
I still do not understand why people knock this guy at all. He brings attention to the wonderful world of detailing cars. He is very succesfull in what he does, yet half the people on here, still want to knock him. Only thing I can think of is jealousy.
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I agree with that. A lot of people see "detailing" as an addition service offered at the local full service swirl center. For example, in Austin we have a franchise car wash called "Genie". Several of my customers now tell their friends that "we do what Genie does, but 100 time better".



This bothers me, but at the same time our client list is growing, and once they see our work, they refuse to go back to Genie. It's funny when I get calls to give them "permission" to go to a touchless because they won't get their autos to us for a few more days. :2thumbs:



I've had people and clients both talk to me about Paul Dalton, and how they had no idea "detailing" was so labor intesive. He did open the eyes of many folks that true detailing is not 6 people with Gem orbitals spreading wax at the swirl center and getting you in and out in under an hour. :waxing: :waxing: :waxing:



All I can say is Paul: :thx





Regards



Walter

Co-owner
 
Detailing without using a machine is a niche market. Mirrorfinishman (Frank) has been successful with hand only polishing. What Paul Dalton does is also a niche market, which he has exploited to his benefit very well. If you are in this business professionally, I am not sure why it matters how you make a profit. Just as long as you are ethical and provide value to your customers, it should not matter if you are providing a wash and wax for $35 or a full paint correction detail for $1000.
 
joshtpa said:
I still do not understand why people knock this guy at all. He brings attention to the wonderful world of detailing cars. He is very succesfull in what he does, yet half the people on here, still want to knock him. Only thing I can think of is jealousy.
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No doubt! I visit Chelsea regularly and believe me, they have MONEY. We walked down main and side street at 3 in the the morning and there are literally scores of ferrari, lamborghini, rolls royce, bentley, aston martin, bugatti, etc. just parked on the streets because they don't garage them. I think paul dalton is very talented and is a very savvy businessman. He is a great ambassador to detailing. Kudos to him, I'd love to take him out for a pint next time I'm in London. As joshtpa implied, maybe these people are knocking him because of jealousy. Just like people knocking Zymol Vintage because they can't afford it. Oh well.
 
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