The right sealant for my tastes

WWWW-WillyWallyWashWax- Imagine how I feel, just starting out! At first people on the forums sounded nuts because what they said seemed completely different from what I saw on packaging. I just keep thinking back to like 9 years ago, I talked to detailer in person, and I could not figure out what he was talking about. The bottle of wax clearly says it'll remove swirls, so why would I pay this guy $200+? Now it makes so much more sense...


 


Haha Accumulator, I have a hunch this is a certain individual I have mentioned to you before, in another thread... 


It's sad how providing an honest product takes a back seat to making a buck. I called Meg's one day to ask about using their clear plastic cleaner on some interior trim that wasn't actually clear, and the guy told me that product shouldn't be used to clean any plastic. I should just use the quick detailer. Well then what the hell are you selling it for?!
 
I know exactly what you and Accumulator are talking about, but luckily I do not know "who". I am becoming much more forgiving with understanding other people's intended comments. This is because the entire area of terminology is getting cloudy.


What a great reason for us to clear up some issues as a website. A thread with this as a subject would provide much information for newbies. More specifically, it would be great to have a thread to refer to "how" products Work.


Product A works as a polish by machine,

But is an effective filler when applied by hand.


We need this info.

Defining seal or polish or wax will be tough though.




Removing swirls isn't a lie if it is a filler,

as it removed then from view.


This isn't a lie, but it is "sketchy" marketing

that isn't appreciated or helpful to the industry.

It does still product though.
 
That's a great idea! I don't think I know enough yet to do a decent write-up on it, but I would love to get a thread started and participate where I can.
 
Just got off the phone with OPT, and they said no problem applying Os over ocw. To be cautious, you can wait 30 minutes after wax application, so that no streaking incurs.


I asked about the solvent in Os, and the reply was that there was solvent, but very little. It would not remove wax. This is coming from Optimum, so I trust them when it comes to their products, and their Opti Seal.


This does not mean that any seal can go over any wax. The terms for these two are so vague, there can be conflicts.


With this answer from Opt, I have retained my old method, add it works best for me.


Honestly, doing X before Y, or verse vicea, is personal preference. What goes on easiest for you, and lasts longer might vary due to application technique or area if the world that you are in.
 
We've had a few "what the commonly-used terms mean" threads, but they always devolve into disagreements, even among us Autopians.  And good luck regarding the manufacturers.


 


Heh heh, the "removed"/"removed them from view"...that qualifier "from view" means the world to me gotta explicitly state that "...from view" or your lying by omission.  But hey, that's just IMO (perhaps I'm influenced by my wife; Accumulatorette is a pro copy-editor/proof-reader...talk about precise expression!). 


 


I guess that "hiding" and "concealing" have somehow become bad, so nobody wants to come right out and say "conceals swirlmarks so your car looks better".  And *NO*, I don't think there's anything wrong with concealing flaws, but maybe I'm in the minority.
 
wwww-willywallywashwax- That doesn't really surprise me...if all their stuff is generally compatible I commend them on pulling it off.  Meguiar's has some cool compatibility combos (where a given subsequent product doesn't remove the initially-applied stuff the way one would expect) that definitely do work though they fly in the face of the conventional wisdom.
 
So I had a weird sealant issue recently...


 


I washed my car and gave it a coat of Meg's Ultimate Liquid Wax. A few days later, the car was still fairly clean, but it had a nice layer of pollen, so I decided to test out a new product I picked up: Meg's Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere. It was on clearance at Advance Auto, so I thought I'd give it a shot. I was pleasantly surprised, it worked great! So another week or so goes by, and I wash my car, a real wash this time, with DG Car Wash Concentrate #902. This time I decided to go over it with some Optimum Car Wax (holy crap their website is awful lol!). I used it just like I normally would, but this time it left really bad streaks everywhere. I didn't let it sit on the paint, and I don't believe I used too much. The towels were clean and definitely not contaminated with anything. Could it have been because of the Meg's Wash & Wax? It had plenty of time to cure, but that's the only thing I can think of that makes any sense. It looked like I left a polish on too long; I have never had a wax/sealant behave like this.


 


So any ideas?


As always, thanks for the help guys!  ;)
 
Accumulator said:
wwww-willywallywashwax- That doesn't really surprise me...if all their stuff is generally compatible I commend them on pulling it off.  Meguiar's has some cool compatibility combos (where a given subsequent product doesn't remove the initially-applied stuff the way one would expect) that definitely do work though they fly in the face of the conventional wisdom.
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If I understand you correctly, DG has some new stuff that works like that: DG 601. Don't let the name fool you, DG likes to call everything a polish, from compound to wax. 


 


So anyway, you apply the 601 before your sealant (which will also be called a polish), 101/111/501/105/whatever, and it makes the sealant cure super fast. Supposedly it'll get super hard in anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours. And you don't remove the 601; you just let it haze and put the sealant right on top of it. You can also mix the 601 with the sealant and do it in one pass.


 


I picked some up, but I haven't had a chance to try it yet. A guy I know, who introduced me to it, raves about the stuff. He said he went from waiting 12-24 hours to add a second layer of sealant to doing it within under 2 hours.
 
Do any of these MEGS products come close to the brilliant shine of Zaino? I heard great things about M21....first time reading about the ultimate paste wax.
 
Striker said:
Do any of these MEGS products come close to the brilliant shine of Zaino? I heard great things about M21....first time reading about the ultimate paste wax.
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IMO M21 looks better than z2 when first applied but loses its edge after a week. Really Zaino shine isn't hard to beat, it's how long that shine lasts. Meg's UW is a very formidable contender. It loses a bit on metallics but makes up for it on black and other solids like red and yellow. It is also much slicker. Last and best of all it fills in minor swirls where Zaino amplifies them.
 
Striker said:
Sorry one last thing, what is the difference between the Paste Wax and the Ultimate Liquid Wax?
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From a performance stand point I don't believe there is any difference, but from an ease of use view the liquid certainly wins.   Also, the paste will stain trim and the liquid will not.  Put the liquid on thin and it wipes off like nothing is on the paint. 
 
Striker said:
The car is black :) Might give the UW a go- so it is a pure sealant, not a hybrid of wax/sealant?
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It's a sealant. I like the paste and I'm not a huge paste fan. I bought it because pastes keep longer and I wasn't expecting to use it frequently. It has become my favorite sealant.



Best part is if you don't like it you get a full refund.
 
Ok thanks. I like the fact that it has some filling abilities in it too as the car is black, and getting it perfect just doesn't make sense.
 
I had no idea, the guy that told me about it said it was new. 

 



I haven't tried Zaino yet, but I hear a lot of good things on the boards about their entire line. Is there a specific sealant you guys recommend?

I've been making an effort to broaden my tastes and try a variety of products. Zaino is definitely on the list.

 



I have both, and they're both great, but the staining is a pain. I didn't know about that the first time I used the paste, wish I had.


One thing that can be said for the paste is that it hazes more when it dries, so you get better feedback about when to remove the product.


That could be true of all pastes, I really don't know.


 


 


So does anyone have any ideas about my layering issue? Is it just a bad idea to layer different sealants?
 
What is the deal with FK1000P? Is it a sealant, does it hide some imperfections or does it amplify them like Zaino does? I am in need of a new, properly working sealant and I was planning to buy some Megs Ultimate Liquid Wax/Paste Wax this week.


 


Thoughts?
 
Striker said:
What is the deal with FK1000P? Is it a sealant, does it hide some imperfections or does it amplify them like Zaino does? I am in need of a new, properly working sealant and I was planning to buy some Megs Ultimate Liquid Wax/Paste Wax this week.


 


Thoughts?
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Here's a thread with some thoughts on F1000P  http://www.autopia.org/forum/topic/133234-476svs1000p/  If you use the Search function you'll find other references to 1000P
 
Striker said:
What is the deal with FK1000P? Is it a sealant, does it hide some imperfections or does it amplify them like Zaino does? I am in need of a new, properly working sealant and I was planning to buy some Megs Ultimate Liquid Wax/Paste Wax this week.



Thoughts?
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FK1000p looks better on silver and some metallic colors as it has a very glassy sealant type look. It does not fill but it doesn't seem to amplify swirls. Durability is very similar. Ease of use is very different, UW is much much easier to use. Both seem to protect very well though UW is a little more slick.
 
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