Let me rephrase that, How many 3d products have you got excited about prior to 3D acquiring autopia? Are you not endorsing 3D products due to a business relationship you have with them? Do you receive your products at a discount? Exactly my point. all it takes is one Pro to endorse a product and create the hype. You should use whatever products you feel give you the best result. It makes no difference to me. Everyones product preference changes depending on their business relationships.
Reasonable price for David Fermani to Opti Coat a NEW car?
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mikenap
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biggiepee said:
Umm, no.
I've got plenty of preferences, as I'm sure you do too. I like them because, well, I like them. Did Duragloss pay YOU to drop their name earlier? Doubt it. Yet you did anyway, because YOU LIKE IT. How hard is that to see? Three+ years lurking and the best you can come up with are conspiracy theories....:wacko:
Thomas Dekany
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The pms I received from DavidB in late 2009 made it sounds like he came up with the formula. Never heard of 3D at that time, or that he was selling Autopia.
I simply followed Davidb's advice on how to use UNO and I couldn't believe the results I was seeing after the first pass. I have never used another product like that before. I was sold. And that was using a PC.
Kept using UNO and when I learned about Poxy, I ordered it. Loved it. Still do. Looks better than anything I have ever tried. Use it all the time. Paid full price. I think last year I would get 20% off from 1 sales person, so I tried asking for that person when placing an order.
Yes I was invited to the 10th anniversary seminar, but not because of 3D - someone else that was going also suggested that 3D invites me as well. That is the kind of BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP I have with 3D. (After meeting the owner of 3D, he did say to give him the order if I need to get more stuff, so I received my last order that was discounted very well
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I recommend their products because everything I try is first rate. I have used 3 products that are (to me) not better than what I use normally, but as good. So placing 1 order instead of 3 saves me money. So I use 3D's version.
I think the only person who has a business relationship with 3D is David Fermani, but we all know that by now.
I simply followed Davidb's advice on how to use UNO and I couldn't believe the results I was seeing after the first pass. I have never used another product like that before. I was sold. And that was using a PC.
Kept using UNO and when I learned about Poxy, I ordered it. Loved it. Still do. Looks better than anything I have ever tried. Use it all the time. Paid full price. I think last year I would get 20% off from 1 sales person, so I tried asking for that person when placing an order.
Yes I was invited to the 10th anniversary seminar, but not because of 3D - someone else that was going also suggested that 3D invites me as well. That is the kind of BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP I have with 3D. (After meeting the owner of 3D, he did say to give him the order if I need to get more stuff, so I received my last order that was discounted very well
)I recommend their products because everything I try is first rate. I have used 3 products that are (to me) not better than what I use normally, but as good. So placing 1 order instead of 3 saves me money. So I use 3D's version.
I think the only person who has a business relationship with 3D is David Fermani, but we all know that by now.
biggiepee said:
autoconcierge
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biggiepee said:
You may have signed up in 08.......but you sound EXACTLY like the OP of this thread.
I had it out with a guy on DB over the "Microfiber system" where he chronicled that the "System" was all hype and that he utilized a "Microfiber bonnet" over a foam pad so it was "The same thing" and said as much about this everywhere including MOL ................but here is the kicker he never used the "System" because it was not AVAILABLE yet.
He also said "You are a detailer paid to hype the product"..............well this is why I confirm said claims for MYself before making statements that can be thought of as shall we say "Not very smart".
Let's go over the products you listed and I will comment below in bullitt points.
.Menzerna: The entire line is outstanding except Power gloss
.Megs: M105 is the standard in defect removal M205 works well on certain finishes and is a SMAT polish so finishing down 100% with a rotary is really difficult but DA is more user friendly D300 is a godsend which works on everything endstop with or without the microfiber pads
.HD UNO: Tried the first generation and did not care for it however the latest gen version gets higher marks but I have NOT used it yet
.P21S: Great product and the standard for non-acid wheel cleaning until Sonax and Auto Glym CWC came along......both work great and Sonax is almost "Acid like" in performance and it is pricey but for me it is worth it as I work on very pricey wheel and brake combo's
.Sonax FE: The best at THIS TIME in my opinion
This is a clear example of "Red assness" on the "Web" where you can talk about something you have no clue about and defend a "Undefendable debate"............................much like a liberal when faced with facts they scream you down and change the subject and debate. Dave I am so impressed with the documentation of this recent ownage.........it was like a write up on a car.
Charlie as usual you miss nothing pointing out the "Whining about renting in Trump Tower in monied up Miami" this is what I was intimating about in my post earlier in the thread but did not want to say it as Dave needed to give authorization first.............. when is this stuff going to stop....never imo so each troll that goes in for the easy "Lay -up" will get thier shot swatted into the cheap seats "With the quickness" by Shaquille O' Ownage.
Dan
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biggiepee said:
Darkstar752
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Dan said:
LOL!
And biggie and the OP, please go. As detailers we are unaffected whether you use our services or not, the only person effected is you when you come back crying that the $400 detail you paid for fogged up your rims beyond repair and burned through the paint. For every 1 of you, there are 10 customers who appreciate the work and are more than willing to pay, so trying to haggle the price down isn't going to work. We do not promote products, we simply state what works best. Menzerna, M105/205 and Opti-coat are all amazing products and stand out in their class.
And seriously, OP, you're bragging about Trump towers. Why was it even necessary to state that? I ONLY make 150,000 cry cry cry, you sound like a spoiled little kid pouting in the corner when he doesn't get what he wants.
Im sure its a great product, but i believe most products are more hype than antyhing. For me not worth the price. Once a company sees how easily you believe anything you hear or see, every other company creates a similar product cause they know you will buy it also. Im sure your garage is loaded with every product of the week. How many coating are on the market after such a short period. How many fools spend hundreds of dollars on wax's that dont last but a week or 2, only so they can say I HAVE IT TOO. Sorry im just not as gullible as most.
mikenap
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biggiepee said:
Cool. Turtle Wax has a customer for life.
Dan
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biggiepee said:
This thread is about Opticoat. Its approx $10-15 per car in product. How is that hype? Dozens of posts on forums all over the internet show this stuff lasts. What exactly does hundred dollar wax have to do with this? Also do you eat at McDonalds all the time too? I mean, its a good deal.....
autoconcierge
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biggiepee said:
How does this connect to the price point 'Dis-connect of the OP's whining, because Dave wanted to charge more to "Apply Opti-coat" to Full polish HRE 5 series wheels(I know a little about the wheels as I was a HRE dealer @ Performance Art a defunct tuning shop I was the GM of) as these wheels will look like a** if not polished at least monthly.
I want to know why a guy would have a car repainted that was new.....................does not make sense at all...........why not buy a Black car?? unless of course the "Orange peel" of the finish was too much to deal with..........then buy a Bentley GT coupe with no orange peel at all................but all the money is gone from "Renting in Trump Tower".
Whenever I see someone come on the side of someone who is so far of thier lane you have to ask "What is the motive" or if it is a friend of the OP, these threads get so much views and replies that even though it is negative in nature it is bringing "Content" to the site and unique views (lol). Here is my "Suggestion to" Biggiepee and that is do not buy anything mentioned by any prominent detailer because in the face of overwhelming mass purchases and satisified detailers it must be "All hype"
Allen Anderson
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"some buffer trails began to appear (very minor, noticeable only in certain light) on the hood."
Someone may have already said this, but probably came from that 350 dollar detail...
Someone may have already said this, but probably came from that 350 dollar detail...
autoconcierge
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Allen Anderson said:
After the pic of the Shop that does all the tuning shops in SD I bumped around thier site......................oh brother, look at this page "Teflon" to the rescue.
High Tech Formula PAINT SEALANTS AND PAINT SEALANT - STATE OF THE ART CAR SALON IN SAN DIEGO.
No wonder the guy buffing in the one pic is so thin as what could the poor guy be being paid................ $245.00 for a "Sealant package" and that's inclusive gentlemen.The OP did not do these guys any favors posting thier name..................know this location well actually not to far from "Rightlook" where I bought my containment mat.
MarcHarris
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Allen Anderson said:
NO NO NO NO NO.
You guy's have it all wrong. I've re-read everything, and it's quite clear that the car is "1000% brand new perfect" EXCEPT for the problems it has. I think that sounds pretty reasonable. Aside from any paint issues, the car has no paint issues. I'm confident that there are no drips, fish-eyes, solvent pop marks, thin areas, etc, and even if there are, the car is 1000% brand new perfection aside from those defects.
I tried to give the OP a fair shot, but with David's update with more information of what happened, it's quite clear.
To recap, $350 gets you 1000% brand new perfection aside from things that are wrong.
I'd also like to thank the OP for new content for my signature.
imported_dfazekas
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biggiepee said:
As touched on before, whenever you can see a pattern of different people across different forums saying a product is excellent.....well that might be because it is. If you did your research, you'd know that opti-coat it quite different from the other coatings that you're referring to. Whenever a product can stand up to a couple years of Dawn/touchless car washes and can help visibly conceal clear-coat failure for an extended period of time (a use that it was never intended for), its probably not hype.
And as far as some of the other products you mentioned, most of those were game changing products - the Megs. products especially. Its obvious that you're stuck in the stone ages whenever it comes to technological advances in the detailing field.
Did you have a hard time switching from dial-up to high speed internet because that was all hype too? Because many of the products you mentioned could be compared to that analogy. Why wouldn't you want to use products that work well and save you time? I can understand holding out to see if a product is worth the hype or not, but there has to be a point where you say "Hey, 99% of the people that use this product absolutely love it. I must be missing something here," and try the product for yourself.
But since you seem to have problems with a lot of the products people are using on here, I'd be curious to know exactly what your preferred products/methods for correcting and protecting a vehicle are.
dfazekas said:
99% of the people who use the product are going to say they love it because they want to be part of everyone else saying how good it is,, regardless if it worked any better than the previous product they were using. On one forum you will see everyone bashing a product and on another forum everyone is saying how good it is. How can that be? Its because people just follow what other people say.
Auto Concierge said:
I dont know the OP nor, nor did i say anything about the price being quoted. At one point in time werent you praising how good GLOSS IT prodcuts where? what happened there? Dont here you mentioning anything about them anymore? guess it was all hype? my point exactly
autoconcierge
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[quote name='MarcHarris']NO NO NO NO NO.
You guy's have it all wrong. I've re-read everything, and it's quite clear that the car is "1000% brand new perfect" EXCEPT for the problems it has. I think that sounds pretty reasonable. Aside from any paint issues, the car has no paint issues. I'm confident that there are no drips, fish-eyes, solvent pop marks, thin areas, etc, and even if there are, the car is 1000% brand new perfection aside from those defects.
I tired to give the OP a fair shot, but with David's update with more information of what happened, it's quite clear.
To recap, $350 gets you 1000% brand new perfection aside from things that are wrong.
I'd also like to thank the OP for new content for my signature.
Thanks Marc........................my "Refreshe Safeway bottled water" is all over my monitor screen(Well some of it.......and I choked on the rest and developed hiccups as well..................stand up level quality humor from the "Major league Infidel" who lobbed a "grenade" into the mix................incoming get down (lol).
You guy's have it all wrong. I've re-read everything, and it's quite clear that the car is "1000% brand new perfect" EXCEPT for the problems it has. I think that sounds pretty reasonable. Aside from any paint issues, the car has no paint issues. I'm confident that there are no drips, fish-eyes, solvent pop marks, thin areas, etc, and even if there are, the car is 1000% brand new perfection aside from those defects.
I tired to give the OP a fair shot, but with David's update with more information of what happened, it's quite clear.
To recap, $350 gets you 1000% brand new perfection aside from things that are wrong.
I'd also like to thank the OP for new content for my signature.
Thanks Marc........................my "Refreshe Safeway bottled water" is all over my monitor screen(Well some of it.......and I choked on the rest and developed hiccups as well..................stand up level quality humor from the "Major league Infidel" who lobbed a "grenade" into the mix................incoming get down (lol).
Jean-Claude
Keeper of the beautiful
The cost of the products has less to do with the total price of the service than you think.
biggiepee said:
Jean-Claude
Keeper of the beautiful
Dude, you just nailed it on the friggin head. Exactly what I have been thinking put into words.
MarcHarris said: