imported_DetailDan
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Why do you need ZAIO before Z2 or Z5?
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D&D Auto Detail said:
Because it needs to bond properly in order to get it's full durability.
I just bought Z-2p when I started using Zaino and I just applied it and it lasted a few months. I don't see why you need ZFX/ZAIO, but I do use both since I have it.
I currently use Z-AIO as my base and I did notice better durability, but IMO Z-2 or Z-5 itself is good enough if that's the route you choose.
Oh and layering Zaino 100x using only Z-2 or Z-5 looks just about the same with 1 or 2layers of Zaino, that's IMO. I can't say I wasted my time, but I used a lot of energy layering about 6 or 7 coats of Zaino and the apperance was not that different when I first applied the 1st coat.
However... Z-8 will make the apperance of the finish look better btw!
imported_DetailDan
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Well just do a prep sol wipe down to prep the surface. I dont see why applying Z-AIO is needed.
wannafbody
wannafbody
D&D Auto Detail said:
Yep, ZFX is a catylist of some type. It aids in the curing and bonding process.
Jesstzn
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wannafbody said:
If your first day is 1 layer only .. use the Z1 .. a lot cheaper .. I had the ZFX and its only benificial if your multi layering in a day .. but if you want to do layers a day apart or better Z1 is just ( so Sal says) needed under the first layer.
wannafbody
wannafbody
Z1 is no longer offered. It's either ZFX or ZAIO as a base for Z5P or Z2P. CS was designed to be used without ZFX but it isn't quite as durable as Z2Pro.
imported_DetailDan
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Perm said:
Yep, thats correct. Just got an email from Sal.
Jesstzn
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Thats one of the reasons that once my Z2 is gone .. I am moving on .. too many things tied to each other with the Zaino stuff..
I did my neighbors car with Optimum Poliseal followed by Z2 just out of curiosity and tho its an abused car it lasted about 4 months so I'd prolly question the "absolute" need for the "required" Zaino base.
I did my neighbors car with Optimum Poliseal followed by Z2 just out of curiosity and tho its an abused car it lasted about 4 months so I'd prolly question the "absolute" need for the "required" Zaino base.
Jesstzn said:
Zaino has always stated their system works best when using other Zaino components. But I think you'll find that Meguiars and just about every other manufacturer states the exact same thing.
All you "need" to make Zaino work is ZAIO and Z2 now. Or Z2 and ZFX, whichever your poison is.
wannafbody
wannafbody
Jesstzn said:
That's the nice thing about CS-it plays with other products. It's also offered in a small enough size for the average consumer. Now, if Sal can figure out how to get Z2pro to work without ZFX then the product line would appeal to more people.
For most guys the ZAIO/Z8 combo is hard to beat and together provides pretty good durability and looks.
wannafbody said:
that would mean a huge drop in revenue though, so unless Z2/5 were massively increased in price to compensate, then it wouldnt be a very smart business move :lol:
I also thought Z-CS was claimed as being the most durable piece of the range? Havent used it so cant comment, but was tempted
imported_DetailDan
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Yeah, its a little ridiculous if you ask me. I thought it would be a good sealant option for wash and waxes/ sealant, but not with the other stuff you need to do.
wannafbody
wannafbody
D&D Auto Detail said:
There's plenty of average products that you can choose and they'll last 2 months. If you want something more durable than that your options are relatively few. Zaino has a reputation as being among the longest lasting. Another option would be to polycharge your favorite sealant or Jetseal.
I'm not aware of any claims that CS is the longest lasting Zaino product. My experience is that Z2pro is the longest lasting of the Zaino range. I think CS was developed as a time saver product and compliment to ZAIO.
This thread is representative of what I like the least about Zaino--a lot of misinformation and marketing crap. Z2 is just fine by itself. It can be used on any clean surface or over most any other sealant. It might be true that it will last longer with ZFX, but I've seen 6+ months out of non-ZFX, non-ZAIO applications. That's in 100% outside vehicles, too. FYI--Z2 can be layered over and under Werkstat and Klasse without problems.
wannafbody
wannafbody
wfedwar said:
That's quite impressive. Use it how it works for you. In my case I've gotten decent durability with Z2pro by itself but increased durability with ZFX. In my conditions Z2pro with ZFX is pretty much dead at 6 months. I've read where others can get 10 or 11 months out of it.
wfedwar said:
Yeah. I don't suppose the guys who made the stuff know what keeps it working the longest or anything.
It's fine that Z2 works by itself. However adding ZFX or a ZAIO layer before hand makes it last LONGER. If it were in the best interest of Zaino financially they wouldn't give you product to improve longevity.
:chuckle:
As wannafbody stated, use it how you see fit. I find the system easy enough to use. Z7 is probably my favorite car was soap by far, and the rest of the paint system is what I go grab when I want to spiff up a car.
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wfedwar said:
Did you bother reading mine? If you are fine with your non zfx'd and non 'prepped' Z2, that's fine. Why not make it longer? It would take 2 whole minutes with ZFX, and 15 whole minutes for ZAIO. The longevity you receive in return is far greater than the time required to use or apply either of those products.