Paint overspray removal is a specialized field

[Jeff Suggs]

The only way you can consider yourself a paint overspray removal specialist is to be able to repair anything and not diminish the vehicle's clear-coat in the process. This means removing any type of overspray damage without the use of compounds, solvents, and most of all wet-sanding. 99.9% of everyone that is removing paint overspray today are using some form of the clay-bar. This simply means that they have only been removing overspray from vehicle sense the clay-bar was invented back in 1993. If you were doing it before that you were using compounds and wet-sanding which voids factory warranties. So just because the clay-bar is around now and you may removing the paint overspray from a vehicle every know and then, sure as hell don't make you a specialist. I notice that a lot of detail folks may think they know a thing or two about removing overspray from a vehicle, but you only know what someone else told you to know. Long before the clay-bar was ever invented, I have been repairing vehicles from overspray damage, chemical stains, and other paint problems. This means that the instructors on this forum or any other forum don't have the 24 years of experience and the thousands of vehicle repairs as I do. Many years before this forum was ever around I was repairing vehicles. Their answer to removing hard core Protective Marine Coatings is to wet-sand and use compounds which again diminishes the vehicles clear-coat and voids the factory warranty. The only way any of the members on this forum is ever going to call themselves overspray removal specialist is to wake up and come on out of the stone age of auto paint repair. Everyone is still using the same old ways of doing things. I can teach anyone that has a steady hand how to blade a vehicle and get paid !

 

[uniquedetailing]

you inspire me jeff, ive seen so many of your videos, i want to be a specialist like you one day when i grow up.

 

[uniquedetailing]

Paint Overspray Removal International Services "German engineering at its best" - YouTube



This video taught me so much Jeff, screw what ive learnt so far, i was gonna order a new hd polisher but after seeing you Jeff im going down to walmart and buy one of those magic buffer they sell for $20......

 

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[C. Charles Hahn]

If you're going to come to this forum and post about how awesome your technique is, and say "I can teach anyone..." at least do something productive and actually teach something. Belittling everyone on this forum just to stroke your own ego will get you nowhere.

 

[MirrorDetailing]

I a curious as how rubbing a razor blade against paint is not really considered being 10x worse than wet sanding and buffing. I think I am going to start removing over spray with a K-Bar knife, if its good enough for the marines its good enough to remove overspray off the paint.

 

[Jeff Suggs]

Think about for this a minute MachNU, when you wet-sand a vehicle your taking off a layer of clear-coat so much so that you have to use compounds to restore the finish. I demonstrate in my videos that I can remove any type of overspray with a razor blade, hold the camera and not but one scratch in the paint. The thread I just made was to get your attention. You are doing things the same old way new materials, is the only things that has changed. When you are watching me blade a car in my videos, there is no hiding anything. You would be able to clearly see if there was any damage occurring during the process. I demonstrate this in my videos with people watching in HD and no cutaways. Just because someone from this site did not show or tell you how this is done is no reason to discredit it. I travel all over the world because I am the only person that is able to repair vehicles that are damaged like the ones on my Youtube site and others. I have never met such a group of people so against something just because they can't do it, or figure out how its done. I would like to pass some of my techniques along to someone else. There is more then one reason why all these websites and web ads from all over the world featuring my videos. People that are not so closed minded see past who I am, or if am cursing in my videos and realize that this is not done everyday.

 

[Jeff Suggs]

uniquedetailing You have to ask yourself this, can I restore textured moldings back to factory condition with a buffer ? Can I repair a vehicle from deep scratches without the use of compounds or wet-sanding ? Can I remove hard core Protective Marine Coatings or Polyurethane spray-foam ? check out one of my custom Chevy & GMC door trim & wiper arm package. I have a 3 step process that allows me to polish these parts to a mirror finish. This is something that you can call unique because it looks kick *** and gives these parts a custom look without repainting or replacing any parts. These are just a few things that I demonstrate in HD so that you can clearly see the results. I have done this package on over 500 vehicles around the USA and soon in Dubai. You can charge 150 for 4 doors and tell your customer the wiper arms are free. Just watch the videos and the next time you have a new Chevy or GMC try it out. Once you have done this, you will see how great it looks in person

 

[Jeff Suggs]

Thats funny but you can't do it till you have some vehicles that have real damage. I have researched a lot of the members and have found no websites or web ads from other countries or elsewhere that feature their work. Go to my Youtube site and look to the right and you will see just a few of them that I have linked to there. Auto TV, WorldNews Network, Mainheadline news, IndiaEveryday, restoration channel, and much more. This is coming from an American you should be proud of that fact. If there were someone other then me, they would going to Dubai. Believe me when i tell you this, An American is their last choice to be going over there and do any kind of work other then in the oil game there playing. This is my second trip there and they know that I will be using a razor blade to remove the Industrial paint overspray off their 100 plus vehicles. This is over 10 million in vehicles, all high end rides average price is over 100 thousand. I will make the videos and post them everywhere

 

[Nth Degree]

Who put more quarters into the "Whack-a-Mole" machine???:nixweiss:whip:

 

[togwt]

Before the advent of detailer’s clay it was a common practice to remove paint-overspray with a one-sided razor blade and a surface lubricant or by polishing the surface with a compound / polish and a wool pad. Surface contaminates were removed with a polish or by wet-sanding, but these are methods are very invasive and will remove clear coat. This was the way I was taught when I first stated detailing in '58, chemicals have made many advances from then...and so should we



First used by Japanese auto manufacturers on vehicle production lines and then auto body repair shops, the technology was passed on to the US market in the late ‘90’s. Detailer's clay is now routinely used by OEM's, professional detailer's, vehicle auctions and body shops as a simple, safe way to remove paint over-spray, tree sap and industrial fallout from both vehicle paint and chrome and glass surfaces



The malleable clay bar is rapidly being superseded by the Surface Prep Towel: “Nanoskin Surface Prep Towel” - http://www.autopia.org/forum/autopia-detailing-wiki/141207-nanoskin-surface-prep-towel.html

 

[moderator]

WARNING: everyone is to obey the rules and conduct themselves accordingly. Includes Mr. Suggs.



If you don't have anything productive to add to this conversation, then avoid it like the plague.

 

[pixelmonkey]

I find it quite interesting you would choose to make your points about paint over-spray removal in a section of the site that focuses on Machine Polishing & Sanding.



It appears you have placed your thread incorrectly in the forums sub-topic structure.

It might be better seen and receive more responses if it were moved to a category better suited to what you are emphasizing as the best method to remove paint over-spray.

You might want to reply to the thread or send a Private Message to a Forum Moderator or Admin, in asking which section of the site this thread should be placed.



This section of the site is wrong for this thread, in which you stress the following points.

This means removing any type of overspray damage without the use of compounds, solvents, and most of all wet-sanding.



If you were doing it before that you were using compounds and wet-sanding which voids factory warranties.



wet-sand and use compounds which again diminishes the vehicles clear-coat and voids the factory warranty.

From that, it's clear you stress wet sanding and using polishing compounds is a way to destroy a car and void a warranty.

you inspire me jeff, ive seen so many of your videos, i want to be a specialist like you one day when i grow up.

inspiration!

chris<pixelmonkey>

 

[David Fermani]

The only way you can consider yourself a paint overspray removal specialist is to be able to repair anything and not diminish the vehicle's clear-coat in the process. This means removing any type of overspray damage without the use of compounds, solvents, and most of all wet-sanding.

If that was the case, your method wouldn’t require the follow up of polishing. If you are removing 100% of the overspray contaminants and not marring the finish then you technically wouldn’t need to polish it? Polishing is an act of abrading away paint. Especially with a wool pad.

99.9% of everyone that is removing paint overspray today are using some form of the clay-bar. This simply means that they have only been removing overspray from vehicle sense the clay-bar was invented back in 1993.

NO, this just means they are using clay. This doesn’t put a time stamp on their experience.

If you were doing it before that you were using compounds and wet-sanding which voids factory warranties.

Compounding and wetsanding, as long as they are within the specs of what the OEM call for is an acceptable practice when needed. It’s actually required on many of the acid rain removal workflows that the OEM’s allow/prescribe in those instances.

So just because the clay-bar is around now and you may removing the paint overspray from a vehicle every know and then, sure as hell don't make you a specialist.

I agree.

I notice that a lot of detail folks may think they know a thing or two about removing overspray from a vehicle, but you only know what someone else told you to know.

That is unless people put their thinking caps on and were open to alternative methods for overspray removal.

Long before the clay-bar was ever invented, I have been repairing vehicles from overspray damage, chemical stains, and other paint problems. This means that the instructors on this forum or any other forum don't have the 24 years of experience and the thousands of vehicle repairs as I do.

Having owned a large shop in the industrial area of Metro Detroit since 1995, I can honestly say I’m quite intimately close with the process of overspray removal. And, because of this experience in this arena and being an Insurance Appraiser for a large insurance company for the last 8+ years I’ve also had many run ins with all kinds of contaminant catastrophes too.

Many years before this forum was ever around I was repairing vehicles. Their answer to removing hard core Protective Marine Coatings is to wet-sand and use compounds which again diminishes the vehicles clear-coat and voids the factory warranty. The only way any of the members on this forum is ever going to call themselves overspray removal specialist is to wake up and come on out of the stone age of auto paint repair. Everyone is still using the same old ways of doing things. I can teach anyone that has a steady hand how to blade a vehicle and get paid !

I totally applaud your use of the blading technique and I’m glad it has helped brand and define who you are in the auto detailing industry, but it is merely 1 tool in the bag of tricks to remove overspray. It’s not the end all, be all technique that the big overspray removal companies ( Overspray Removal Specialists, Overspray RX, NAS to name a few) are using, but it does have it’s time and place for use which you have so eloquently found. And, blading cannot be done on soft and textured surfaces which usually require replacement.

 

[Underdawg736GTC]

First off I must give you some props for "blading" a car the way you do, it's definately a niche that I don't think I can really dive into.



That being said, I'm pretty positive to state that the reason you catch all kinds of flak here and on other forums is due to the way you carry yourself in regards to how you word your posts. My guess is that a lot of people don't think highly of you is due to your aggressive all is below me because I use a blade mentality. Ok we all get that you put a razor blade on a car as opposed to using other methods to removing over spray and other contaminates. It is very unprofessional for a "professional" to bash others here and elsewhere because they don't have the frame of mind or the experience you do with using a razor blade. Still wondering why there's all this hate towards you?? Well there's your sign!

You also boast about all your videos all over the internet, yet when someone questions your method to the madness, you usually come back with a hostile and inappropriate remark, I believe I saw one video to where a comment was not in your favor to which you replied something to the affect of disrespecting the commenter's sister and mother.....here's one ( Paint Overspray Removal International Services " Bmw German engineering at its best" - YouTube )........really? Is that how the greatest over spray removal specialist reacts to criticism? Very unprofessional in my eyes and if that was me, the BBB would've been getting a nice e-mail.

So again you're good at blading.......GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!!!!



Now since you're coming on DETAILING forums that are not exclusively FOCUSED on OVERSPRAY REMOVAL, you're gonna catch loads of flak with what you do AFTER the blading. Do you really expect any of us to bow down to you when you use a 5 pound ball of clay, whip a rotary around, throw some wax that gets removed immediately after applying it and calling it a day? None of your videos show the results in direct sunlight, you may claim it's in direct sunlight but we do not see the sun DIRECTLY on the pain that would reveal any imperfections/defects that were installed by you or remained after using your polishes/wax. What would your vehicles look like after an IPA wipe down or Dawn wash, after all polishes, fillers, and waxes are taken off the paint? Would it be free of imperfections? You see here at Autopia as well as plenty of other sites out there, we strive for ABSOLUTE PERFECTION.....way beyond what is obtained thru decon and over spray removal. We check our work as we work and we double check, triple check, quadr......you get it right? There are plenty of other alternatives out there then your do all cure all method with a blade and rotary. To say we're all stupid and wrong and don't know what were doing because we don't do our techniques the way you do is wrong......especially if your methods are from the PAST! I'm all for old school detailing but my eyes are definately open to the present and future way of doing things....as well as everyone else here!



Sorry friend but you come here and bully everyone because they don't do it the way you do is gonna get met by those who see thru the bird poop you lay. There's plenty of folks here that do flawless work, take a look and digest the methods and results of such folks here like Garry Dean, Bryan Burnworth, Barry Theal, Dave Fermani, C. Charles Hahn, Rasky, Joe (Superior Shine).......amongst MANY others here and elsewhere! Ever read into articles by TOGWT and advice from Ron Ketcham who have been at this game longer then most of us have been alive? They take this art to an abdolute science to better explain just why we do the things we do??



Please don't take any offense to this, just think of it as constructive criticism, it's one guys insight on another's shortcoming. Like I said, you definately made a name for yourself with your method to the madness that we all love (detailing). It's just a lo down shame the way you go about things.



Sean

 

[Jeff Suggs]

First off I must give you some props for "blading" a car the way you do, it's definately a niche that I don't think I can really dive into.



That being said, I'm pretty positive to state that the reason you catch all kinds of flak here and on other forums is due to the way you carry yourself in regards to how you word your posts. My guess is that a lot of people don't think highly of you is due to your aggressive all is below me because I use a blade mentality. Ok we all get that you put a razor blade on a car as opposed to using other methods to removing over spray and other contaminates. It is very unprofessional for a "professional" to bash others here and elsewhere because they don't have the frame of mind or the experience you do with using a razor blade. Still wondering why there's all this hate towards you?? Well there's your sign!

You also boast about all your videos all over the internet, yet when someone questions your method to the madness, you usually come back with a hostile and inappropriate remark, I believe I saw one video to where a comment was not in your favor to which you replied something to the affect of disrespecting the commenter's sister and mother.....here's one ( Paint Overspray Removal International Services " Bmw German engineering at its best" - YouTube )........really? Is that how the greatest over spray removal specialist reacts to criticism? Very unprofessional in my eyes and if that was me, the BBB would've been getting a nice e-mail.

So again you're good at blading.......GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!!!!



Now since you're coming on DETAILING forums that are not exclusively FOCUSED on OVERSPRAY REMOVAL, you're gonna catch loads of flak with what you do AFTER the blading. Do you really expect any of us to bow down to you when you use a 5 pound ball of clay, whip a rotary around, throw some wax that gets removed immediately after applying it and calling it a day? None of your videos show the results in direct sunlight, you may claim it's in direct sunlight but we do not see the sun DIRECTLY on the pain that would reveal any imperfections/defects that were installed by you or remained after using your polishes/wax. What would your vehicles look like after an IPA wipe down or Dawn wash, after all polishes, fillers, and waxes are taken off the paint? Would it be free of imperfections? You see here at Autopia as well as plenty of other sites out there, we strive for ABSOLUTE PERFECTION.....way beyond what is obtained thru decon and over spray removal. We check our work as we work and we double check, triple check, quadr......you get it right? There are plenty of other alternatives out there then your do all cure all method with a blade and rotary. To say we're all stupid and wrong and don't know what were doing because we don't do our techniques the way you do is wrong......especially if your methods are from the PAST! I'm all for old school detailing but my eyes are definately open to the present and future way of doing things....as well as everyone else here!



Sorry friend but you come here and bully everyone because they don't do it the way you do is gonna get met by those who see thru the bird poop you lay. There's plenty of folks here that do flawless work, take a look and digest the methods and results of such folks here like Garry Dean, Bryan Burnworth, Barry Theal, Dave Fermani, C. Charles Hahn, Rasky, Joe (Superior Shine).......amongst MANY others here and elsewhere! Ever read into articles by TOGWT and advice from Ron Ketcham who have been at this game longer then most of us have been alive? They take this art to an abdolute science to better explain just why we do the things we do??



Please don't take any offense to this, just think of it as constructive criticism, it's one guys insight on another's shortcoming. Like I said, you definately made a name for yourself with your method to the madness that we all love (detailing). It's just a lo down shame the way you go about things.



Sean

I am sorry but am not impressed with the detailers you just mentioned. But one thing I have never done was comment on their work before they commented on my Youtube site. The comments that some of the members have made on my site was not constructive criticism. I let this go on for over 2 years before I made any comments. Just because none of you can figure out how something is done, is no reason to dismiss it as bad. I have over 24 years of experience in overspray removal. Long before this forum was around or the clay-bar. I never hide anything of my cleaning methods from customers, this is why you see them in my videos observing me blade their vehicles. Why is it that the people you mention like Ron Ketcham and others that have been in this business for so long have never came up with another way other than wet-sanding or the use of compounds to remove overspray or deep tree branch scratches. When am dealing with customer that has an estimate for thousands to repaint their vehicle, believe me when i am done everyone checks my work out. The first thing they always do is take their vehicle back to the paint body-shop for them to look it over. I have never made a video with the mind set that one of you was going to look at it and have a problem with me bragging or cursing in it. I don't engineer them for lots of hits, this is why they are not name "how to remove". I have lots of videos of me repairing textured moldings and custom Chevy door trim packages. This is something that none of you or your instructors have ever done. Not to be a smart ***, but you all should have some respect for that. Show me something that has not been done over and over by everyone in the business for a change. This is why am so embedded on the net. Go to my Youtube and check out some of the links there. "auto restoration" "Worldnews" "MainHeadline news" "CoatingsPro Magazine" "Sherwin Williams web ad" "Car Restoration TV" "Russian Web ad" "India website" and more. I Have never seen anyone on this site or elsewhere that has other countries or web ads that featuring their work. Just like not agreeing with Obama makes you a racist, telling you all this means am bragging. "Its not bragging if your telling the truth"

 

[Dan]

Jeff, how come you can't show us some full sun shots of a car you've fixed, after a solvent wipe down, of course. Black would be perfect.

 

[Jeff Suggs]

By the way for everyone that thinks wet-sanding will not void the factory warranty, call any dealership and ask them for yourself. This greatly diminishes the clear-coat, think about it your wet-sanding the top layer of the clear-coat. You then have to use a compound to buff it out. I would like to see someone take a vehicle under direct sun light as I do in lots of my videos, a few weeks later after the vehicle has been washed. My way may not be for everyone, but every major dealership says different. I just repaired 300 vehicles, this is over 9 million in inventory. I have not received one phone call from the owners, other then to go back and do some more when Dow chemical is finished painting at their plant again. I have a video on my Youtube site that demonstrates my blading technique while two services technicians are observing me. The video has no cutaways in the filming to prove that there is no damage occurring doing my cleaning process. I think it is the tenth video down on my profile. This is all the prove anyone would will ever need, by everyone other then some of the members on this forum. Check out one of the videos where am restoring textured cowl panels, this is located where you wiper blades are. I also polish those parts to a mirror finish. Why has no one ever done this on this forum ? The wiper blades and other trim and moldings pieces are part of the vehicle too. Your not detailing a vehicle 100% if your not polishing every piece of the vehicle as demonstrated in my videos.

 

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I agree with the part about Ron Ketchum being old

 

[Nth Degree]

"Its not bragging if your telling the truth"

An indisputable, or universally accepted fact, is truth. An opinion is not.

Why is it that the people you mention like Ron Ketcham and others that have been in this business for so long have never came up with another way other than wet-sanding or the use of compounds to remove overspray or deep tree branch scratches.

Who is to say other methods haven't been tried? Sometimes experimentation might uncover new methods, but when analyzed prove to carry with it too many risks to be viable or advisable. Nobody is questioning that your method is effective. Just because a scratch can be removed by sandpaper doesn't mean it is always advisable. You can play Russian Roulette and be successful >83.3% of the time, but the risk of having that other 16.7% happen makes the game not worth playing.



And since you mention removal of deep scratches, I am curious what new method (or old method that nobody else seems capable of) you use.

By the way for everyone that thinks wet-sanding will not void the factory warranty, call any dealership and ask them for yourself. This greatly diminishes the clear-coat, think about it your wet-sanding the top layer of the clear-coat.

Wet sanding does not void the warranty. Removing too much while wet sanding does. It is possible to wet sand and stay within the parameters of the warranty.

Check out one of the videos where am restoring textured cowl panels, this is located where you wiper blades are. I also polish those parts to a mirror finish. Why has no one ever done this on this forum ? The wiper blades and other trim and moldings pieces are part of the vehicle too. Your not detailing a vehicle 100% if your not polishing every piece of the vehicle as demonstrated in my videos.

Textured cowels and wiper blade arms are usually NOT supposed to be polished to a high gloss, mirror shine. Perhaps that is why detailers here don't do it.



If you have a skill that is truly unique then that's great. Most of us here openly share our knowledge in an effort to help each other achieve the best results. Not once in anyone else's posts have I read about how they can do something nobody else can. If a new great product or technique is discovered it is shared and the industry as a whole progresses. When you stand alone in questioning the skill, knowledge or integrity of someone like Ron Ketcham while he is widely respected by so many in the community you look foolish. You have been told over and over again what we would like to see so that we can properly inspect the results. Your resistance to provide such evidence seems to be evidence in and of itself. At this point I think the only way you gain the respect from the detailing community is to have a respected detailer present to observe and inspect and then report back to us their first hand observations. Until then you can continue to call yourself "THE GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ".