Meguiars, Mothers, please sell JUST THE CLAY!

SilverLexus said:
I just find it odd that bulk cost more.... [referring to Clay Magic pricing]
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I agree the Clay Magic pricing is all twisted up. If you look at their website , they don't show the pricing for the "pro" package of just clay, but if you look at the consumer bundles (clay and lube), the 100 gram with 12 oz. of lube is $11.39, while the 200 gram is $36.35, with a "free" bottle of lube. :think: :nixweiss
 
racingbeat said:
I agree they add the quick detailer to save themselves the headache of getting a complaint from the bone head who will try using it without lube but really do they need to sell us a full size of it? Why not sell two sizes of the caly bar kit? $$$$$$$$$



anyhoo here's the quote from the dude who says new paints don't require Carnauba anymore:



"The clearcoat finish on new vehicles creates the depth and high-gloss shine that I once labored to achieve. Is Carnauba wax a relic on new car finishes?

When I purchased my Porsche Cayenne S nearly two years ago, I literally stopped using Carnauba wax. The finish on the Cayenne is wonderful, and it does not take a lot of maintenance to keep it looking great. What I really started to notice is how quickly surface contamination makes the paint finish loose its intense shine. Yet, all I have to do is wash and use detailing clay to get back the finish clarity."- David Bynon
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I just love it when my comments are taken out of context!



As if I don't protect my cars... really now... :doh
 
Soooooooo, What is a good clay? Are they mostly the same? I do have some DP stuff from autogeek is their clay/lube package a good deal? This will be my first claying... I do undertstand I dont really need the lube I can use soap and water, and I have read the pre-wax section of the Autopia e-book.



PS, Its refreshing to see a internet BB/community that is not hostile to noob/new users.

Thanx!
 
LynchMOB,



I have published two articles on clay, which you will find here:



http://www.guidetodetailing.com/articles.php?articleId=61

http://www.guidetodetailing.com/articles.php?articleId=14



The first thing to know, is that there are only 2 clay manufacturers. All brands get their clay from these two facilities. In the first link (above) I explain the differences in clay.



The three most popular consumer brands are:



Mothers

Meguiar's

ClayMagic



The same manufacturing plant makes all three. All three are a slightly different formula. You may have to try all three to decide which one you like the most.



In addition to these, there are many smaller brands.
 
DavidB said:
The first thing to know, is that there are only 2 clay manufacturers. All brands get their clay from these two facilities.
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Is that the explanation for the two different "shapes" that we see clay come in? The "bar", like the Sonus and the ones you mentioned, and the "blob" or "ball" shape of some others? IIRC correctly, the "bar" shape was a claim in one of the patents, and I used to think that the "blobs" were made by that "other" company which lost the patent infringement suit, in an attempt to skirt the patent, but they are out of the picture now.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Is that the explanation for the two different "shapes" that we see clay come in? The "bar", like the Sonus and the ones you mentioned, and the "blob" or "ball" shape of some others? IIRC correctly, the "bar" shape was a claim in one of the patents, and I used to think that the "blobs" were made by that "other" company which lost the patent infringement suit, in an attempt to skirt the patent, but they are out of the picture now.
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Actually, in the final court case, I don't believe it was a loss. The key AWC clay patent is a "process" patent, not a patent for an invention. The AWC patent failed to specify that a lubricant must be used with the device. This left the door open for KEL to package clay/lubricant and not infringe on AWC's claim.



However... this is only my understanding after reading all of the court documentaion I could get my hands on.



Your mileage or understanding may be different!
 
I have a question to add to this does the age of the clay and fluid matter I have a few brand new kits of mothers i bought on clearnce a few years ago that I was going to break out and try again(my first attempt didnt go to well) but if the age causes problems i might buy new.
 
Mr. Mo Joe- as long as the clay/lube haven't been subjected to temperature extremes or other weird conditions they should be fine. I have some mighty old Griot's clay that's the same as it ever was.



LynchMOB- For a clay that does behave differently, check out the Sonus Green Ultra-Fine detailing clay. It has some advantages over "normal" clay in that it's very gentle on existing LSPs. Not that *that* is always what you want...
 
LynchMOB said:
Soooooooo, What is a good clay? Are they mostly the same? I do have some DP stuff from autogeek is their clay/lube package a good deal? This will be my first claying... I do undertstand I dont really need the lube I can use soap and water, and I have read the pre-wax section of the Autopia e-book.



PS, Its refreshing to see a internet BB/community that is not hostile to noob/new users.

Thanx!
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Go with Sonus they give you a nice airt tight case so you can use it for future use and they don't use predatory packaging schemes to get you to spend more money at the auto store then you need to! I used the green Sonus clay recently and found it to be a bit too soft for my liking but its better for frequent use as it doesn't strip the wax. They grey stuff is excellent for a deep clean, wish it was sold in Auto stores.

Claying always makes the biggest difference of anything I will do. Silver is a color where the differences are sometimes too sublte to notice so you know when something is really good and Claying alwys does the trick, many comments like "did you wax it today?".



btw, can I email this thread to Mother's and Meguiars? :chuckle:
 
DavidB said:
Actually, in the final court case, I don't believe it was a loss. The key AWC clay patent is a "process" patent, not a patent for an invention. The AWC patent failed to specify that a lubricant must be used with the device. This left the door open for KEL to package clay/lubricant and not infringe on AWC's claim.



However... this is only my understanding after reading all of the court documentaion I could get my hands on.



Your mileage or understanding may be different!
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I was unaware of any lube/no lube wrinkles...only this which was pointed out by BillD. The cease-and-desist and $4 million-plus in damages certainly seems to put KEL out of the picture, although the injunction applied to only a single claim of one of the patents. However, KEL was also injoined from "directly or indirectly making, using, selling, offering for sale, importing, advertising or soliciting sales of automotive detailing clay or clay-like products..." They were also required to recall their product and turn it over to AWC.



Anyway, does that still leave two manufacturers? Or two licensed plants? And does that have anything to do with the two "shapes"?



Obviously, you are in a better position to have intimate knowledge of this than I am, I only know what I have read and observed from buying different "brands" of clay; just trying to satisfy my curiosity. :D
 
i would like to buy just the clay itself sometimes, but it really isn't a problem for me as i can just run down to the local detailing supply store(s) and pick-up the megs or clay magic 200mg clay bar for around $20-$25. the qd that typically comes with the 100mg clay bars, i can use to qd after and in between washes, as we have three cars in the family and qd goes fast.
 
racingbeat said:
Go with Sonus they give you a nice airt tight case so you can use it for future use and they don't use predatory packaging schemes to get you to spend more money at the auto store then you need to! I used the green Sonus clay recently and found it to be a bit too soft for my liking but its better for frequent use as it doesn't strip the wax. They grey stuff is excellent for a deep clean, wish it was sold in Auto stores.

Claying always makes the biggest difference of anything I will do. Silver is a color where the differences are sometimes too sublte to notice so you know when something is really good and Claying alwys does the trick, many comments like "did you wax it today?".



btw, can I email this thread to Mother's and Meguiars? :chuckle:
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Thanks, As soon as the weather permits in the midwest I will be using a claybar on my silver 2002 Odyssey that has never been clayed or polished since I bought it new. Im thinking the grey stuff is what I need. After that Im thinking about FK330 polish, FK2180 sealant, FK1000P wax. Also gonna get some FK2685 Pink Wax and FK425.
 
LynchMOB said:
Thanks, As soon as the weather permits in the midwest I will be using a claybar on my silver 2002 Odyssey that has never been clayed or polished since I bought it new. Im thinking the grey stuff is what I need. After that Im thinking about FK330 polish, FK2180 sealant, FK1000P wax. Also gonna get some FK2685 Pink Wax and FK425.
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Funny I just clayed a car that was three years old and never garage kept. I went through the whole bar. The amazing bit was that I washed the car and decide to wash it a 2nd time after the drying towels were getting dirty. The car was CLEAN. Yet as soon as the Clay bar went on it was like I peeled a layer of skin off. tons of crap on that "CLEAN" paint.

Particularly filthy was the roof.

I'm a big fan of 3M rubbing compound for that 1st time in a long time polishing. Then a swirl remover and then the Klasse ALL in ONe. Man that stuff works on everything, like the black plastic between the windsield and hood.
 
I'm a big fan of 3M rubbing compound for that 1st time in a long time polishing. Then a swirl remover and then the Klasse ALL in ONe. Man that stuff works on everything, like the black plastic between the windsield and hood.
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AIO is very versatile, no doubt. I just used it on my interior wood surfaces...



I like your Boxster racingbeat. One terrific ride. :xyxthumbs
 
SilverLexus said:
Possibly so...but $17 per kit? Highway robbery...
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Clay Magic. $10 for the clay and lube. You want just the bars? Find your local Meguiars distributor and get either the blue (mild) or red (aggressive) clay bars. Why they cost more per gram though, I have no idea. I just buy the Clay Magic kit.
 
wait you do this as a business and you have to buy "the kit" like the rest of us? That must get really expensive for you!
 
Meguiars sells clay individually... i pick it up all the time. They have both aggressive and mild versions for $20 bucks per 200g / 7oz
 
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