Meguiars, Mothers, please sell JUST THE CLAY!

Since I was pretty harsh about the quote from the "detailing pro" in the intial post, *and* since RacingBeat posted the direct quote from David B. who was apparently the individual in question :o I'm gonna say that:



- I don't interpret David's comment about restoring finish clarity to mean that simply claying the surface will restore a carnauba-like shine, at least not in the general sense of the average owner of the average car on the road. Without the stipulation that it's David, posting about a purchased-new (and well looked after) Porsche, and directing his comments at this particular audience, the idea loses context. IMO that hypothetical average person simply cannot give up waxing/etc. and get by with just clay.



-If he *did* intend to say that he doesn't need a LSP on his Cayenne then the paint on it is radically different from any vehicle I've ever worked on, including my Audis and the Porsches I've owned, *or* he and I are thinking of different criteria with regard to how a vehicle should look. The vehicles I'm familiar with simply do not look acceptable to me after merely claying (and the S8 lives a very pampered existence) and for that matter they don't look acceptable *to me* with just any LSP. And without a LSP on them, they are not protected from [everything] and their finishes are not slick enough to shed contamination.



I gotta think this is some weird example of misinterpretation, a lack of context, or a case of radically different circumstances or criteria, as I'd be *very* surprised if David and I are in such extreme disagreement. And if we are, well, it wouldn't be the first time that either of us has agreed to disagree.



But at any rate- I'll hereby post my apology for the "amusing or stupid" remark I posted and for questioning the expertise of our Mayor, for whom I have nothing but respect. Sheesh, you'd think I'd know enough not to shoot my mouth off like that regardless of the circumstances anyhow :rolleyes: Such talk is the sort of thing that *I* usually find offensive.
 
Claymagic sells it's 200g claybar w/o lube, so if you don't like the combos, just buy the Claymagic 200g claybar. :)



My experience matches the Accumulator, I use "tons" of lube (#49-Body Shine that is DESIGNED to be used w/ the Claymagic Blue claybar). I ALWAYS have an unopened claybar available and an unopen bottle of #49 Body Shine, in addition to my currently opened bottle of #49 Body Shine & opened Claymagic Blue claybar. The reason I carry a spare bottle of lube and a spare claybar is simple ... it KEEPS ME FROM THE TEMPTATION TO SKIMP on using lube and keeps me from using a dirty claybar. BTW, the claybar lasts a LONG time under normal use (at least it does for me, since I only use the #49 Body Shine).



I really don't get how you can still have extra lube, when you need to buy a new bar of clay? :nixweiss



BTW, I have NEVER had any marring from using the Claymagic Blue claybar. :xyxthumbs



Peace.
 
I think David was simply pointing out how far paint technology has come along since single stage paints of the past. A car can look good (and I use that term loosely here) with only a good washing and claying. It will be reflective. It will be shiny. It may even have some pop. But adding wax or a sealant will give you the shimmer, and more importantly, the protection we're all after. And for that matter, carnauba seems to be going out, and sealants moving in, yes. But as David pointed out, those of us who care enough to be here in the first place will probably always use a carnauba once in a while. It's just an old technology that doesn't suit some government agencies anymore (VOC).
 
Mikeyc said:
I agree. It would be nice to be able to pick up a bar of clay locally without having to buy a bottle of QD, cleaner wax, or an MF towel. I just order my clay on-line now and get it in larger quantities. I have enough QD to last me the rest of my life.

Just contact your local Auto Magic rep and he'll sell it right to you. They don't charge for shipping & you can buy it by the bar(1 at a time). PM me if you can't find one.
 
You can generally find just the clay bar at automotive paint supply houses. I normally get the blue claymagic 200g bar.
 
Claymagic sells it's 200g claybar w/o lube, so if you don't like the combos, just buy the Claymagic 200g claybar.



I found two places with this and prices are around $27 per 200 gram bar or $7 more than two 100 gram bar kits with lube. And I get the kits faster at AutoZone instead of hauling off further to the local PBE.



Shouldn't bulk quantities be cheaper? It is in everything else...maybe the patent holder on clay has monopoly pricing due to few sources for auto clay...
 
SilverLexus said:
I found two places with this and prices are around $27 per 200 gram bar or $7 more than two 100 gram bar kits with lube. And I get the kits faster at AutoZone instead of hauling off further to the local PBE.



Shouldn't bulk quantities be cheaper? It is in everything else...maybe the patent holder on clay has monopoly pricing due to few sources for auto clay...

I pay $23 for a bar of Clay Magic.
 
SilverLexus said:
I found two places with this and prices are around $27 per 200 gram bar or $7 more than two 100 gram bar kits with lube. And I get the kits faster at AutoZone instead of hauling off further to the local PBE.



Shouldn't bulk quantities be cheaper? It is in everything else...maybe the patent holder on clay has monopoly pricing due to few sources for auto clay...

Mr. "Lexus" can't afford $7??? :lol



BTW, $25 here, $20 on sale. And there is NO AutoZone in the 808.



Is the "no shipping charge" that David Fermani mentioned NOT good enough for you???



BTW, if you can get 2 100g CLAYMAGIC claybar kits /w lube for $20, then just do it and quit yapping. :down



For someone who is always putting down OTC products and spamming for boutique products, you sure b*tch and moan alot for $7.



And I'm sure if you want a "bulk" discount, you can get one ... if you purchase 100 claybars. :lol See it depends on what you mean by bulk. :)



Peace.
 
8oz (225 gram) bar and 32 oz of lube for 29.99 on special at autogeek, it is the detailers pride brand, and is great stuff. i find the clay very similar to sonus, which is also great from autopia.
 
I felt that way about it, but then I found out I can buy Clay Magic at the the Auto Body Supply store I go to alot. That's with or without lube.
 
Simple, buy a different brand (and better too) from the autopia mayor or other well known suppliers

In oz you can get clay magic blue and red bars without the lube
 
BTW, if you can get 2 100g CLAYMAGIC claybar kits /w lube for $20, then just do it and quit yapping.



For someone who is always putting down OTC products and spamming for boutique products, you sure b*tch and moan alot for $7.



No need for personal attacks here Padawan. I just find it odd that bulk cost more here.



I also take offense to the comments about OTC products and boutiques. I recommend a lot of OTC stuff like Hope's Glass Cleaner and Eagle 1 A2Z and related products. As for boutiques, I only support those products because I find the performance is much better usually than OTC and I like to support online vendors who often sponsor these boards and provide me good customer service.
 
SilverLexus said:
No need for personal attacks here Padawan. I just find it odd that bulk cost more here.



I also take offense to the comments about OTC products and boutiques. I recommend a lot of OTC stuff like Hope's Glass Cleaner and Eagle 1 A2Z and related products. As for boutiques, I only support those products because I find the performance is much better usually than OTC and I like to support online vendors who often sponsor these boards and provide me good customer service.

Whatevers.



If you feel defensive, that's not my problem.



BTW, A2Z is discontinued and I've never seen or heard of Hope's Glass Cleaner.



Just look at this thread, titled "What's the best off the counter swirl remover?"



http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=66904



You thread crapped trashing a strictly OTC thread by bad-mouthing an OTC product, then spammed the thread w/ a NON-OTC product. This is a perfect example. If it says "off the counter", why are you spamming w/ a NON-OTC product??? This adds nothing to the thread.



Your actions are contrary to your words. If you can't take the truth, then modify your behavior appropriately. Don't blame me for pointing out the obvious.



Peace.
 
PadawanPrime said:
Mr. "Lexus" can't afford $7??? :lol



BTW, $25 here, $20 on sale. And there is NO AutoZone in the 808.



Is the "no shipping charge" that David Fermani mentioned NOT good enough for you???



BTW, if you can get 2 100g CLAYMAGIC claybar kits /w lube for $20, then just do it and quit yapping. :down



For someone who is always putting down OTC products and spamming for boutique products, you sure b*tch and moan alot for $7.



And I'm sure if you want a "bulk" discount, you can get one ... if you purchase 100 claybars. :lol See it depends on what you mean by bulk. :)



Peace.



I agree, my friend... this is a direct personal attack. No need to do it. More to the point, not acceptable! :rules:



While I've got your attention, please update your signature. There's no need to insult another community of detailing inthusiasts here.



Thanks!



db

:chill:
 
DavidB said:
While I've got your attention, please update your signature. There's no need to insult another community of detailing inthusiasts here.

What's the point, you ALREADY DELETED my signature for me. :(



And don't worry, I'm not gonna post here anymore. I don't feel the need to submit to strong-armed threats.



Good night and Good Luck. :down
 
I deleted it and David's post was made before mine in the other thread. We don't feel the need to submit those who wish to personally attack other members and give mods a hard time.



Adios!
 
PadawanPrime said:
What's the point, you ALREADY DELETED my signature for me. :(



And don't worry, I'm not gonna post here anymore. I don't feel the need to submit to strong-armed threats.



Good night and Good Luck. :down



Strike three! Ball game over... You're otta here!
 
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