Jeff Werkstatt products

midwesterner said:
Some others have recommended Duragloss AW. How does this compare to the Fast Clean and shine as a QD?



Do you spray this after using the AJ-T? Or more of a product to use in between washes?
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I thought about AW but i dont like that is a sealant.

Can it be diluted with distilled water? A 50/50 mix might work great.
 
I use Fast Clean and Shine when I get light dust on my car - - AW on the other hand is more like a spray sealant or booster.



I know on Duragloss.com they have larger sizes of these products if you are interested Coupe
 
Just curious, does the Prime and AJ-Trigger products work better than the Klasse twins? I have heard many comparisons but after at the reviews throughout the forums it appears a lot of people are using Klasse products despite the newer JW products, Zaino products, etc. I have never used the Klasse twins but is there something about them which these newer products cannot achieve?
 
I've used both the Klasse twins and the Werkstatt line.



IMO Prime and AJT offer the durability of Klasse with much improved looks (better wetness, depth and gloss) and easier application/removal.



Klasse is manufactured by the German chemical company Carlack. Carlack also makes the Werkstatt products.



My understanding is that the Werkstatt line is basically the USA licensed version of the "new and improved" Carlack AIO and acrylic sealant. Klasse, on the other hand, is the USA licensed version of the old Carlack AIO and acylic sealant that has been around forever.



In my experience, the Klasse twins are a great product - but the Werkstatt line takes whats good about the Klasse twins (durability) and goes a step further in terms of greatly improved looks and ease of application.
 
Macruz19 said:
After reading this post and JW website, I might want to try some of this stuff since I'm missing out.
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Marcuz19, I have read through literally hundreds of posts over the weekend in trying to decide what product would best fit my needs and budget. I am willing to spend some $$ if the product works well. I had thought about Zaino's AIO/CS duo, but given the price point (almost double), I think the Werkstatt line is a great value for what it does. I am sure some people may feel that there are better products (which I agree with), but you would have to also pay more money for marginal returns.



Just my two cents!
 
Milestones said:
I've used both the Klasse twins and the Werkstatt line.



IMO Prime and AJT offer the durability of Klasse with much improved looks (better wetness, depth and gloss) and easier application/removal.



Klasse is manufactured by the German chemical company Carlack. Carlack also makes the Werkstatt products.



My understanding is that the Werkstatt line is basically the USA licensed version of the "new and improved" Carlack AIO and acrylic sealant. Klasse, on the other hand, is the USA licensed version of the old Carlack AIO and acylic sealant that has been around forever.

That is not correct.

In my experience, the Klasse twins are a great product - but the Werkstatt line takes whats good about the Klasse twins (durability) and goes a step further in terms of greatly improved looks and ease of application.
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That is not correct.
 
Milestones said:
In my experience with AJT, if it is "grabby" then you might have allowed some of the AJT to dry on the surface before removing it all.



Your description of an ultra plush towel "rolling up on itself" makes me think that maybe you are making more work for yourself than is necessary by allowing some of the AJT to set up before you attempt to remove it.



As Jeff Werkstatt himself said in response to an email an Autopian sent him:



"And for AJ Trigger, the process is even simpler: spray a small amount on the

surface, spready it uniformly with a microfiber towel, and continue buffing

until the surface is clear. Flipping to a dry side of the towel on the

final pass will help leave perfect results. There is no waiting time

necessary. It is one continuous application/buffing process. Trigger can

also be layered, with 30 minutes recommended between layers."



When I apply the AJT on a panel I spray it on and spread it around using the short nap side of an ultra plush MF towel. By the time I've finished spreading the product around by lightly moving the towel around over the panel - the AJT has already almost vanished. Then I immediately do one last buff with the plush, dry side of the towel and the finish looks spectacular.



If you follow Jeff's suggested continuous application/buffing method, then (in my experience) the AJT is not "grabby" at all but silky smooth and as easy as using a QD.
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Just for an addition, in an email reply, JW says:



For AJ Trigger, we prefer the M-Fibre Plush towel, or something similar. A plush nap makes it easier to lay down a uniform, streak-free finish. For Prime Strong, we prefer something like the M-Fibre Essential towel... a lower nap towel that can buff the residue clean most efficiently. As always, a high quality of towel is important. We're obviously partial to ours, but there are other good brands out there, too.
 
JW Quick Wash is a pure cleaner QD. It has much greater cleaning abilities than your typical QD. I would put it's cleaning abilities roughly on par with PB Spray and Wipe but not quite up to the level of a true rinseless wash like ONR.



In order to add some protection behind QW you would need to follow it up with Acrylic Glos (very minor cleaning ability QD) or AJT (pure sealant - no cleaning).
 
3Dog:



Which part is not correct.



That Klasse is manufactured by Carlack? - Or that Werkstatt is manufactured by Carlack? - Or that neither is manufactured by Carlack?



That's what I've always read on this board.
 
From Jeff Brandt:

First, let me say, we have never made it a secret that we work with CarLack Chemie on product development and manufacturing. In addition, JEFFS Werkstatt owns the rights to all CarLack 68 products in the United States. We have no affiliation with Klasse USA, and unlike XXX, we prefer not to make comments on the operations of other companies other than to say that Klasse products are certainly not the same as Werkstatt products nor CarLack 68 products. That would be like claiming Zaino and Duragloss are the same!
 
Thanks guys.. I might add the Quick wash with my Zaino arsenal. Who knows... I might try some on a panel of my car...
 
midwesterner said:
Marcuz19, I have read through literally hundreds of posts over the weekend in trying to decide what product would best fit my needs and budget. I am willing to spend some $$ if the product works well. I had thought about Zaino's AIO/CS duo, but given the price point (almost double), I think the Werkstatt line is a great value for what it does. I am sure some people may feel that there are better products (which I agree with), but you would have to also pay more money for marginal returns.



Just my two cents!
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I have Z-AIO and Z-CS. I think it's one of the best out there in terms of gloss, but I'm willing to try different products as well.
 
Macruz19 said:
I have Z-AIO and Z-CS. I think it's one of the best out there in terms of gloss, but I'm willing to try different products as well.
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Spare us...try some other products before you make that claim.
 
3Dog:



Klasse may not be manufactured by Carlack now - but I believe there is still a link between the two companies.



My understanding is that Klasse's products were derived from some sort of arrangement with Carlack just as Werkstatt's products are now.



The fact that Werkstatt now apparently has the exclusive rights to Carlack products in the US doesn't change this.



I don't know exactly what that arrangement was/is between Klasse and Carlack - But, it is there. Perhaps Klasse and Carlack jointly developed the formulas for Klasse's products and Carlack originally manufactured it back in the 70s - but now Klasse owns the formula outright and has another company manufacture it? Beat's me.



But - the common link between Klasse, Werkstatt and Carlack is there nonetheless.



Moreover, the point I was making about Klasse being based on an older formula while Werkstatt is based on newer developments is also apparently true.
 
After reading the Jeff Werkstatt website, it really sounds easy and there's a limit of product use where it's not like a 1-2-3-4-5 process. Sure you have to prep your finish prior to sealing your paint, but I'm more into spray sealants and his stuff is what interests me.
 
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