Inexpensive WalMart no rinse washes...

Mindflux said:
I can't say I agree with your last statement. I think appropriate (or copious) amounts of water help prevent swirls. Along with a quality soap and good wash media. These fundamentals conflict directly with how ONR works. But that's just my feelings on it. ONR is still nice for a quick wash.



Hmm.. yup, that was a very poorly worded reply on my part. Dang, Fluxy, you're catching me at every turn! (and that's a good thing).



You're right... a conventional wash, done properly (see Accumulator's dissertation or my own little hack), is the way to go.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Hmm.. yup, that was a very poorly worded reply on my part. Dang, Fluxy, you're catching me at every turn! (and that's a good thing).



You're right... a conventional wash, done properly (see Accumulator's dissertation or my own little hack), is the way to go.







You're getting old ;)



got a link to accums method (is that the backflushing wool mitt method from the late 1800s ;)) and yours?
 
I tried using Gold Class Shampoo as a rinseless wash,



it was a PITA to wipe clean and streaked.



Now take your piss poor advice somewhere else.
 
Here is the Gold Standard, written by the Master himself. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. This should be required reading for every new member, at the top of the Terms of Use page: http://www.autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/35232-accumulator-s-non-marring-wash-technique.html



This is an older version of mine:http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/112906-supe-s-long-winded-wash-method.html I can't seem to find the latest one, which is much better, more refined, with a bunch more diatribe about marring.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Here is the Gold Standard, written by the Master himself. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. This should be required reading for every new member, at the top of the Terms of Use page: http://www.autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/35232-accumulator-s-non-marring-wash-technique.html



This is an older version of mine:http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/112906-supe-s-long-winded-wash-method.html I can't seem to find the latest one, which is much better, more refined, with a bunch more diatribe about marring.







Yep that was the backflushing mitt method I remember. Never did try it. :)
 
I'll add to this thread by complimenting everyone for being innovative with product usage. I too try new things as the mood strikes me. Why just this week I assembled an extractor from a vacuum, 5 gallon carboy (to catch the water inline), a $40 upholstery tool from a rug doctor, and a 3.5 gallon Nomad power washer. Damn thing works fantastic and I couldn't be happier with it. But to some poster's shame I must condemn you. Sharing information and ideas is what this place is all about, but presenting the info for others condescendingly as if your findings are the holy grail is silly. I wonder every time I read your posts, why you'd want to be part of this community. You seem more of a loner, my way or the highway, got all the answers figured out (for yourself anyway) type of fella. I'd think we are all beneath you (in your mind) and that you'd gain nothing from your time spent here than babysitting us poor asinine product collectors. Anyone else agree that those who bring such negativity to a post needs a timeout?



To the OP: ONR is soy based, so your on the right track with your no rinse floor options. I might even try that if I was out of ONR in a pinch. My deal is that per the quantities of ONR I buy, I'm only at $.22 cents per wash on most cars and that's low enough for me not to bother with alternatives.
 
Shutter said:
I tried using Gold Class Shampoo as a rinseless wash,



it was a PITA to wipe clean and streaked.



Now take your piss poor advice somewhere else.



I expected that from you. No surprise. You attacked me in the other thread about this so I know where your coming from. In that thread others tried it and it worked for them to so it's not piss poor advice. It's not advice at all it's just results I have got doing it.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Here is the Gold Standard, written by the Master himself. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. This should be required reading for every new member, at the top of the Terms of Use page: http://www.autopia.org/forum/guide-detailing/35232-accumulator-s-non-marring-wash-technique.html



This is an older version of mine:http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/112906-supe-s-long-winded-wash-method.html I can't seem to find the latest one, which is much better, more refined, with a bunch more diatribe about marring.



You guys are comparing apples to oranges now. I won't disagree that a conventional hose wash is better and that the Accumalator method is excellent but the thread is about rinseless washes and alternatives to ONR/QEW and if those alternatives work as well as ONR/QEW.
 
Anthony A said:
You are going in circles here. First you are worried about residue. Than you admit the amount would be miniscule. Than you worry about lubricity after I explained to you I inspect the paint to the point of obsession and I have no marring.



The only thing left for you to do is try it. You having nothing to lose but some face. What harm could you do trying it on a small isolated area? Some soap residue? Then rewash. Some minor marring? Than it would be isolated to a small area and very minor at that which could be corrected with a very light polish with ease. So far you are just basing your opinion on what you think would happen. I am telling you what actually happened. Now another person seems to be having success doing rinseless washes without ONR type products. Unless you try it you can't comment on what actually would happen and thats what really matters in the end.



Well



1. Rinseless washing...ONR leaves gloss....Regular soap leaves streak if you're too late and streak needs QD to wipe...



2. You can towel dry without streaks but you've got to do it as soon as you wipe which is so impractical when I wash a tall SUV roof..With ONR I can wash 3-5 panels before I need to dry



3. I don't like how soapy my towel gets...I need at least 4 towels instead of 2 towels with regular soap



So no...Regular soap =/= ONR....Used as rinseless wash...That's why those people at ONR or QEW invented ONR and QEW...



I tried it and I didn't like it...I mean I really appreciate you are bringing this up but...dude have you ever thought... If you were right all along you don't have to be so negative towards those so called product collectors and simpletons because there will be a horde of detailing grunts bashing them already...If you were right...Won't this be posted everywhere just like the 2 BM washing guide or the M105/M205 polishing guide ?
 
To the OP: ONR is soy based, so your on the right track with your no rinse floor options.(end quote)





Actually, I think the soy based soap in ONR is what does the encapsulation and the polymer adds slickness and leaves some gloss behind. It seems to me that soap is kind of a universal thing but some soaps may be tweaked with additional ingredients for automotive use. It seems as if many of the recent technological breakthroughs in automotive technology are tweaks of polymer technology used in cosmetics.
 
If you blast off the vehicle like I do before a rinseless wash (and yes it is still rinseless and I'm saving water still), you can actually use the same bucket of ONR for up to 3 vehicles. I've done this with no marring or adverse effects. This makes ONR even a better value.
 
wannafbody said:
To the OP: ONR is soy based, so your on the right track with your no rinse floor options.(end quote)





Actually, I think the soy based soap in ONR is what does the encapsulation and the polymer adds slickness and leaves some gloss behind. It seems to me that soap is kind of a universal thing but some soaps may be tweaked with additional ingredients for automotive use. It seems as if many of the recent technological breakthroughs in automotive technology are tweaks of polymer technology used in cosmetics.



Where did you hear that ONR is soy based?



There are many places on the Optimum web site and forum where Doctor G states that it is the Polymers that do the encapsulation.



I have yet to read anywhere that it has soy based soap in it.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Where did you hear that ONR is soy based?



There are many places on the Optimum web site and forum where Doctor G states that it is the Polymers that do the encapsulation.



I have yet to read anywhere that it has soy based soap in it.





This is the 3rd or so time I have heard that it's soy based. (scottwax mentioned it I think? Some thread about what to do with bucket water). Not sure if people are perpetuating a myth or not.
 
Mindflux said:
got a link to accums method (is that the backflushing wool mitt method from the late 1800s ;)) and yours?



Heh heh, "late 1800s" :chuckle



Just posting to note that the "mitt balloon" method doesn't really work with sheepskin/wool mitts as the leather backing impedes the flow too much. Gotta use cotton/MF mitts for that.



Also note that I haven't done that for a while, though I'm not sure that's a smart move on my part.



That is all; now returning you to the original topic and the attendant drama....
 
Accumulator said:
Heh heh, "late 1800s" :chuckle



Just posting to note that the "mitt balloon" method doesn't really work with sheepskin/wool mitts as the leather backing impedes the flow too much. Gotta use cotton/MF mitts for that.



Also note that I haven't done that for a while, though I'm not sure that's a smart move on my part.



That is all; now returning you to the original topic and the attendant drama....





Sorry! I had a brain fart, I read that eons ago. :clap:
 
sulla said:
Read post #4



Does ONR contain silicone and fillers? - Optimum Forum



Dr G himself confirmed it....ONR polymers are soybased...no doubt...no myths...



Excellent, got it... here's what Dr. G said in the post sulla referenced:



"No rinse contains polymers that are soy based and there is no silicone whatsoever in this product. In fact you can paint right over it which would be impossible if it had any silicones. Products with silicones would also have streaking issues which would be very visible on glass surfaces. The polymeric film left on the surface would not interfere with polishing whatsoever. I hope this answers your question."



Thanks for that, Sulla. So it's soy based polymers, not soy based soap.
 
wannafbody said:
Actually, I think the soy based soap in ONR is what does the encapsulation and the polymer adds slickness and leaves some gloss behind. It seems to me that soap is kind of a universal thing but some soaps may be tweaked with additional ingredients for automotive use. It seems as if many of the recent technological breakthroughs in automotive technology are tweaks of polymer technology used in cosmetics.



SuperBee364 said:
Where did you hear that ONR is soy based?



There are many places on the Optimum web site and forum where Doctor G states that it is the Polymers that do the encapsulation.



I have yet to read anywhere that it has soy based soap in it.



Mindflux said:
This is the 3rd or so time I have heard that it's soy based. (scottwax mentioned it I think? Some thread about what to do with bucket water). Not sure if people are perpetuating a myth or not.



sulla said:
Read post #4



Does ONR contain silicone and fillers? - Optimum Forum



Dr G himself confirmed it....ONR polymers are soybased...no doubt...no myths...



SuperBee364 said:
Excellent, got it... here's what Dr. G said in the post sulla referenced:



"No rinse contains polymers that are soy based and there is no silicone whatsoever in this product. In fact you can paint right over it which would be impossible if it had any silicones. Products with silicones would also have streaking issues which would be very visible on glass surfaces. The polymeric film left on the surface would not interfere with polishing whatsoever. I hope this answers your question."



Thanks for that, Sulla. So it's soy based polymers, not soy based soap.



Sulla beat me to it, but that thread and phone conversations with Dr. G is where I heard it. I wasn't meaning to imply soy based "soap" but to imply that both MOS and ONR have some similar chemistry being derived from organic bases. Probably one of the reasons for the rinseless commonalities.
 
SuperBee364 said:
In fact you can paint right over it which would be impossible if it had any silicones. The polymeric film left on the surface would not interfere with polishing whatsoever.





That's incredibly amazing!! The only limitation of this product is that you can't drink it or bathe w/it. Although I have suspicions that some here have tried. :heelclick
 
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