Inexpensive WalMart no rinse washes...

Supe,



save your breath. What he believes in is he only thing he believes. He uses regular wash soap (diluted) like ONR. Being a carpet guy you can guess what his finish looks like a few days later. Just like carpet shampoos, proper rinsing is a necessity otherwise it just attracts dirt unlike the principals behind ONR. *shrug*
 
Anthony A said:
I don't talk down to people for not doing things my way. I applaud people who do things their way. Product collecting is just plain asinine. It's not a matter of doing things my way or not. It' a matter of it's stupid period. Products are tools to do a job. They aren't pieces of art work or valuable coins or any other thing that is collectable. They are chemical compositions made to do a job. That job is what matters. When your obsessed with the product you completely over look the job it's made to do. The result is eleventy million stupid posts discussing products like they are fine wines and where to get them and taking pictures of them on your shelf etc.



Yes negative is negative. Where did you get the idea that your supposed to be positive about stupid things. If a person came on this forum and posted that washing his car with battery acid and than topping it with moose crap worked great for him would you be positive about it. It's stupid no matter how you look at it and pretending it isn't by being positive is even more stupid.



Any ways this has gotten off topic. The thread is about some one trying a different product for rinseless washes and having success with it. I would rather keep it about that. I don't want to high jack this thread any more than it has been because I think it's a good topic. If you have an issue with me I will gladly deal with you through PM's if you feel the need to continue.
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Nope, I really have better things to do than continue this conversation. Apparently now I'm stupid for believing everyone has a right to do things their own way without some detailing higher-power such as yourself feeling the need to drag everyone back down to earth about their own collective stupidity. I'm confident that I can find enough viable info on this site that ignoring you and your posts won't cost me a thing. Thanks for the chance to chat you up in a calm, rational manner, even if it was one-sided. Later.
 
Update, I just tried the Armstrong cleaner with some QD added in. The lubricity improved and it worked like a charm. I do believe that the Armstrong product is the milder of the two products but seeing that Megs carwashes seem to have as strong a PH as MOS I doubt that it would do any long term damage but it might be harsher on some waxes.
 
i hear meguiars last touch also works as a no rinse...

personally i applaud your scientific experiments, however, i myself will use onr just for the sole fact that i know it was designed specifically for this purpose
 
Mindflux said:
Supe,



save your breath. What he believes in is he only thing he believes. He uses regular wash soap (diluted) like ONR. Being a carpet guy you can guess what his finish looks like a few days later. Just like carpet shampoos, proper rinsing is a necessity otherwise it just attracts dirt unlike the principals behind ONR. *shrug*
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Unless you have tried it you have no room to open your yap. You have the thread starter on here currently doing rinsless washes without ONR/QEW type products and not experiencing any negative results. If my finish had any negative results I would stop doing it immediately. I don't do it every wash since now the summer is here I do a lot of conventional washes and when I need to do a rinseless wash I still have a lot of QEW left and use that but I still do the wheels, whells, jambs, and trunk area all the time with regular soap in a rinseless way and there is no negative effects on any of the vehicles it's done on. They are swirl free and OCD maintained and I get comments constantly on their appearance and condition.



Instead of mouthing off as usual get off your *** and try it for your self like wannafbody is doing. Than again even if you did and got good results you would come on here a BS and say it was a disaster. You have no interest what so ever in getting to the truth about it.
 
Man you sure are bitter. Simmer the heck down, not everything is a conspiracy. Regular soaps leave behind too much residue to be used ala QEW, whether or not you choose to believe it.



Glad it "works" for you.
 
mikenap said:
Apparently now I'm stupid for believing everyone has a right to do things their own way without some detailing higher-power such as yourself feeling the need to drag everyone back down to earth about their own collective stupidity.
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Really? Who said that? I remember saying product collecting is stupid. I don't remember saying you were stupid about anything.
 
Mindflux said:
Man you sure are bitter. Simmer the heck down, not everything is a conspiracy. Regular soaps leave behind too much residue to be used ala QEW, whether or not you choose to believe it.
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Have you tried it? Yes or No? I have. So what are you basing it on?



For your info ONR and QEW leave something behind. Thats why the paint feels slick and looks waxed. You assume regular soap would leave a filmy slimy residue behind but I have not experienced it. Your talking to a guy that can spend hours under the lights at night in the mall parking lots inspecting the paint for minor marring. I would know if this was causing a problem.



I will admit the first time I tried it I had the same concerns and was very surprised that it worked well but it did. You are now hearing about Murphy's soap working to. So obviously some of the beliefs about rinseless washing and washes are not correct.
 
Anthony A said:
Have you tried it? Yes or No? I have. So what are you basing it on?



For your info ONR and QEW leave something behind. Thats why the paint feels slick and looks waxed. You assume regular soap would leave a filmy slimy residue behind but I have not experienced it. Your talking to a guy that can spend hours under the lights at night in the mall parking lots inspecting the paint for minor marring. I would know if this was causing a problem.



I will admit the first time I tried it I had the same concerns and was very surprised that it worked well but it did. You are now hearing about Murphy's soap working to. So obviously some of the beliefs about rinseless washing and washes are not correct.
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ONR is leaving polymers behind. Not soap residue. Granted in the small volumes you are using it in, it may be miniscule residue but I'd be worried about lubricity of your wash water at that point (and the residue).
 
Mindflux said:
ONR is leaving polymers behind. Not soap residue. Granted in the small volumes you are using it in, it may be miniscule residue but I'd be worried about lubricity of your wash water at that point.
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You are going in circles here. First you are worried about residue. Than you admit the amount would be miniscule. Than you worry about lubricity after I explained to you I inspect the paint to the point of obsession and I have no marring.



The only thing left for you to do is try it. You having nothing to lose but some face. What harm could you do trying it on a small isolated area? Some soap residue? Then rewash. Some minor marring? Than it would be isolated to a small area and very minor at that which could be corrected with a very light polish with ease. So far you are just basing your opinion on what you think would happen. I am telling you what actually happened. Now another person seems to be having success doing rinseless washes without ONR type products. Unless you try it you can't comment on what actually would happen and thats what really matters in the end.
 
Anthony A said:
You are going in circles here. First you are worried about residue. Than you admit the amount would be miniscule. Than you worry about lubricity after I explained to you I inspect the paint to the point of obsession and I have no marring.



The only thing left for you to do is try it. You having nothing to lose but some face. What harm could you do trying it on a small isolated area? Some soap residue? Then rewash. Some minor marring? Than it would be isolated to a small area and very minor at that which could be corrected with a very light polish with ease. So far you are just basing your opinion on what you think would happen. I am telling you what actually happened. Now another person seems to be having success doing rinseless washes without ONR type products. Unless you try it you can't comment on what actually would happen and thats what really matters in the end.
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It's not circular talk, it's the multiple problems that could

come from washing this way. I am just bringing them up one at a time (typing on a phone gets tiring). I also don't trust ONR completely for swirl free washes.
 
Mindflux said:
It's not circular talk, it's the multiple problems that could

come from washing this way. I am just bringing them up one at a time (typing on a phone gets tiring). I also don't trust ONR completely for swirl free washes.
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Truth be known, I don't either. I used it extensively as my only washing method on one of my cars for six months. This is after a complete polishing job. There was some very faint marring. Nothing serious, but it was there.



I still think it produces far, far less marring than a traditional wash, though.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Sure is nice weather we're having... perfect for detailing.
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Do it supe! Wash with half an ounce of CG W&G in 3 gallons of water using the rinseless wash method and report back for us ;)
 
SuperBee364 said:
Truth be known, I don't either. I used it extensively as my only washing method on one of my cars for six months. This is after a complete polishing job. There was some very faint marring. Nothing serious, but it was there.



I still think it produces far, far less marring than a traditional wash, though.
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I can't say I agree with your last statement. I think appropriate (or copious) amounts of water help prevent swirls. Along with a quality soap and good wash media. These fundamentals conflict directly with how ONR works. But that's just my feelings on it. ONR is still nice for a quick wash.
 
Mindflux said:
Do it supe! Wash with half an ounce of CG W&G in 3 gallons of water using the rinseless wash method and report back for us ;)
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Well if he does he will have room to talk since he actually will have tried it.



Lets clear something up here. I'm not saying that using a regular car wash in a rinseless way is better than a conventional wash. I'm saying it worked as well as using QEW did. If you don't like QEW for rinselsess washes than you won't like regular soap either.
 
Anthony A said:
Well if he does he will have room to talk since he actually will have tried it.



Lets clear something up here. I'm not saying that using a regular car wash in a rinseless way is better than a conventional wash. I'm saying it worked as well as using QEW did. If you don't like QEW for rinselsess washes than you won't like regular soap either.
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Just to appease you I'll do this on my wifes car. Its older and we care less about it's condition than our 2010 TDI wagon.
 
Mindflux said:
Just to appease you I'll do this on my wifes car. Its older and we care less about it's condition than our 2010 TDI wagon.
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Don't do it for me since I don't expect you to admit it worked. Do it for your self because you will have to honest to your self.
 
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