I need another alternative to m205

solekeeper said:
out of those 2 polished you listed, which do you think weill perform best after m105wool,m105 orange? (keep in mind i'm looking for something with less oil than the 205, and maybe a little more cut) Which at this time seems impossible.
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PO203S, use it with a white or green Buff and shine pad, or similar.
 
Lots of different experiences in this thread. I found megs to work nicely *if* I magically nail the technique. It was too much hassle so I went to 106fa, which has been idiot proof. I have not had any leftover micromarring or experienced too much filling that washes away, although I'm typically only using 106fa alone when the finish has only minor wash marring, or using it after doing a full correction with 105 so there is not too much left to fill anyway.
 
porta said:
Meguiars is similar to Menzerna PO106FA.



Try to get a sample of PO203S and give it a try. I would gladly send you some, but in live in Sweden and the shipping is expensive.
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when you say similar, you're saying cut wise right? I'll have to ask around to find out more opinions.



And appreciate it! its ok.
 
solekeeper said:
when you say similar, you're saying cut wise right? I'll have to ask around to find out more opinions.



And appreciate it! its ok.
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No problem. I have not used 205 so much since its so expensive in Sweden. PO203S power finish have more cut then Meguiars #205. And Menzerna PO106FA is similar in cut with #205.
 
RZJZA80 said:
cut or not, nothing I've seen can SHINE as well as 205, except maybe Klasse but they are different types of shine.
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Yes, 205 gives a great shine. But so does Menzerna PO203S and PO106FA. Honestly, I cant see a different shine if a car is polished with Meguiars, Menzerna, 3M, Scholl Concepts or even Turtle wax products if the guy behind the machine knows how to handle the products..
 
RZJZA80 said:
cut or not, nothing I've seen can SHINE as well as 205, except maybe Klasse but they are different types of shine.
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That's what I had thought, until I followed M205 with some burnishing using Menzerna (the 106 variant relabeled "BlackFire"). No doubt in my mind that the Menzerna significantly improved the gloss that I'd achieved with the M205, and yeah, I did make sure it wasn't just the Menzerna's oils/etc. FWIW, the car in question was a '97 BMW e36 M3 in Byzanz Metallic (very hard clear).



I still think M205 finishes out very well, and that there's nothing *wrong* with the gloss/etc. that it leaves. But I don't think it's the best either. I settled for the finish that M205/finishing pad left on my Carbon Metallic GMC, and it looked fine.



I've used ZAIO after M205 and it appeared to improve the finish just a little, but it was hard to tell if that was from additional polishing from the ZAIO's abrasives or just a "glossing up" from the stuff ZAIO leaves behind :nixweiss Whichever it was, the vehicles did look a bit better ('00 Chevrolet Pewter and '01 Ford Vibrant White).



When it comes to Klasse, a number of people here have finished with Menzerna PO85RD, and then followed that with the Klasse twins, only to find that the KAIO slightly *diminished* the gloss/etc. that the PO85RD had left. I haven't tried my PO85RD yet, so I can't say anything from first-hand experience, but I have generally come to agree with my (best) painter who believes that *nothing* leaves quite as nice a finish as Menzerna.



Not that I'm closed-minded on the subject...a short time ago I was using completely different stuff that I thought was OK, only to find that there are some *much* better products out there after all. Won't be surprised if that happens again.
 
accumlator, have you used the p0203s?



How does it compare to the m205 cut?



I'm so much worried about gloss guys, its more correction from the past 2 steps..
 
solekeeper said:
accumlator, have you used the p0203s?



How does it compare to the m205 cut?
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Sorry, never tried PO203 :nixweiss



But I don't expect much cut from stuff like M205 as I consider such products to be *finishing* polishes. Yeah, I know that some people here use M205 with orange pads for correction, but it didn't work out as a good approach *for me*.

I'm so much worried about gloss guys, its more correction from the past 2 steps..
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Huh? :confused: Did you mean to say that you're *NOT* much worried about gloss?
 
well i'm more worried about cleaning up my marks from m105 wool, and m105 orange before adding gloss is what I mean.



The p02 is rated at a 3.5 cut, and is considered (by menzerna) as a polish. not a finishing polish.. I'm still curious as to it's finish down ability.
 
It depends on what you leave behind from m105 which is dependent on the hardness/softness of the clear. Are you trying to finish down only with a rotary? Rotary + po203+ LC white may leave holo on very soft clear. In any case, I find it easier and experience more consistent result with PO203 on very soft clear. M205 is still a very good polish though and I still use it on harder clear to remove holo from m105. I do like the overall experience with m205 even though i find it cut lesser and more tedious to finish holo free.



Imo, it doesnt matter whether its called a finishing polish. For the things i do, my priority will be achieving holo/marring free finish and not aiming for ulitmate possible shine and I think it may be the same for you. If I can just use m105 and not leaving any marring/holo behind, i would, but most cases, I cant.
 
solekeeper said:
well i'm more worried about cleaning up my marks from m105 wool, and m105 orange before adding gloss is what I mean.



The p02 is rated at a 3.5 cut, and is considered (by menzerna) as a polish. not a finishing polish.. I'm still curious as to it's finish down ability.
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PO203S is a one step polish who will finish out very well if the user knows how to handle a buffer. Get some PO203S and PO106FA and give it a try.



http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-...swirl-edition%94-vs-menzerna-powerfinish.html
 
solekeeper said:
well i'm more worried about cleaning up my marks from m105 wool, and m105 orange before adding gloss is what I mean..
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Ah, copy that, thanks for clarifying.



The M105/orange never leaves things all *that* hazed up for me, but then I work on pretty hard clear most of the time. It sounds like the PO203 might be just what you're looking for.
 
dschia said:
It depends on what you leave behind from m105 which is dependent on the hardness/softness of the clear....



Imo, it doesnt matter whether its called a finishing polish. For the things i do, my priority will be achieving holo/marring free finish and not aiming for ulitmate possible shine and I think it may be the same for you. If I can just use m105 and not leaving any marring/holo behind, i would, but most cases, I cant.
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Ever tried using M105 with a *finishing* pad? It never quite works out right for me as in ready-to-wax, but others here (who really know their stuff) say it works great for them. Note that they're using it via RO/DA for that though, not via rotary.
 
porta said:
PO203S is a one step polish who will finish out very well if the user knows how to handle a buffer. Get some PO203S and PO106FA and give it a try.



http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-...swirl-edition%94-vs-menzerna-powerfinish.html
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wow, thank you for posting that link! They sure do look convincing. That p02 looks like it can tackle some serious correction.

However, after my m105 wool, m105 orange, do you think that it might put in more scratches? ( i ask this because it looks like a pretty heavy cut compound)
 
Accumulator said:
Ever tried using M105 with a *finishing* pad? It never quite works out right for me as in ready-to-wax, but others here (who really know their stuff) say it works great for them. Note that they're using it via RO/DA for that though, not via rotary.
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Nope, I dint try m105+ DA/RO with a finishing pad but I think the clear has to be on the harder side base on my experience with PC + m205, but then again, both polishes may work very differently, so never try never know. However, I did try rotary + m105 + LC white, black and gold on a black honda accord and only manage to achieve very minimal cut in return with hell lot of holos.
 
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