I need another alternative to m205

Accumulator said:
Wonder if our different locations (heat/etc.) make a diff in that regard? The oils simply drive me *nuts*, if not for PrepWash (IPA just doesn't cut it for me) I don't think I could use the stuff on my own vehicles. From the way the vehicle is covered with pseudo holograms under certain lighting, to the residue that I had to struggle with for hours after using ZAIO afterwards (even though I'd PrepWashed), the oils are almost a deal-breaker for me.



When I did our favorite Yukon (BTW, I'm gonna sell that thing before it drives me nuts ;) ) with M205 I spent *hours* IPAing it to get the oils off so I could do inpsections, far more time that I was spending polishing! That's when I went ahead and switched to PrepWash.
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It could very well be. When we use it, we keep a *very* clean pad, work it until it is almost gone, then move to the next section. We do an initial wipe of the "section", then let everything "dry" before doing a final wipe. We also use very little polish on the pad once primed. You don't have the *really* thin version that is floating around, do you? The oils drove me nuts with that stuff...took it back immediately. We use a gallon or so every three weeks, wonder if there was a rolling change and perhaps we aren't comparing apples to apples. I noticed that the more we used, the "cleaner" it would wipe??? We can even use LSP's that don't have any significant cleaners in them after the M205 without issue--collinite products are out, but UPP, wolfgang, etc can be used without issue.
 
solekeeper said:
with the m105, I;m using meguiars maroon wool.

Then, i switch it up for the 2nd step depending on the vehicle color.



I'll then do, m205-orange foam for (silvers, whites) etc.

The dark colors, m105wool, m105-orange, m205white.



I just feel like the 205 isn't cutting enough for me, and the oils are INSANE. i'm not even in a high volume body shop and it's still driving me nuts.
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Gotcha...



FWIW, the maroon meguiars pad *for me* leaves some of the nastiest marring that I have ever seen. I always just use full twisted wool when I need something that aggressive. I can produce a better finish with the twisted wool, which helps me finish with m205(obviosly with a middle step).



Obviously you are going down the ladder...do me a favor just for poops and giggles, try m105 with a red pad for your middle step. Use more polish and slightly smaller sections than you normally would and see what happens. See if the M205 does better after that combo...if you can stand to give it another try. :D



BTW, is your M205 watery thin?
 
You may want to pick up a bottle of Menzerna Power Finish. It has more cut than M205 and it finishes off just as well as M205 on most paints. It is fairly oily, but would be a good follow up polish to M105. Are you using a DA or rotary?
 
ebpcivicsi said:
...FWIW, the maroon meguiars pad *for me* leaves some of the nastiest marring that I have ever seen. I always just use full twisted wool when I need something that aggressive...
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Flip-side here, I've been really liking that 7006 pad *on non-rotaries*. Via Flex and even Griot's 6" it's been working well for me with both M105 and Optimum HC. But yeah, via rotary I'd much rather use wool most of the time. Oddly enough though, that pad (in a larger size) was just the ticket on that M3 I had; none of my wool pads seemed to work quite as well for some reason :nixweiss

Obviously you are going down the ladder...do me a favor just for poops and giggles, try m105 with a red pad for your middle step. Use more polish and slightly smaller sections than you normally would and see what happens
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M105 via finishing pad is very popular with some people! I can't seem to get it to work right for me, but I'm certain that's user-error.

BTW, is your M205 watery thin?
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I had a gallon like that! I sent it back and got a replacement, but they never did comment on what was up with it.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
..When we use [M205], we keep a *very* clean pad, work it until it is almost gone, then move to the next section. We do an initial wipe of the "section", then let everything "dry" before doing a final wipe. We also use very little polish on the pad once primed.... I noticed that the more we used, the "cleaner" it would wipe??? We can even use LSP's that don't have any significant cleaners in them after the M205 without issue--collinite products are out, but UPP, wolfgang, etc can be used without issue.
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I will admit I don't keep the pad quite as clean as with M105, but I don't think that's the problem. I actually think I have my technique down OK with this product, but under the SunGun I often see those oily pseudo-holograms (sometimes, rarely, see 'em in the sun too).



Huh...UPP with no issues?!? I wouldn't have tried that one after M205.



And it's funny that you say "Collinite products are out" as I *have* used them after M205 with no problems!



Heh heh, we're sure having different experiences with this one!
 
I like M105-M205-Werkstat Prime, M105-M205-BF GEP, M105-M205-FPII... If you want a two-step, the best bet IMO is M105-PO106. Never tried that particular combo, but from my experience with both, it will probably work.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Gotcha...



FWIW, the maroon meguiars pad *for me* leaves some of the nastiest marring that I have ever seen. I always just use full twisted wool when I need something that aggressive. I can produce a better finish with the twisted wool, which helps me finish with m205(obviosly with a middle step).



Obviously you are going down the ladder...do me a favor just for poops and giggles, try m105 with a red pad for your middle step. Use more polish and slightly smaller sections than you normally would and see what happens. See if the M205 does better after that combo...if you can stand to give it another try. :D



BTW, is your M205 watery thin?
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I'd have to get a red pad, don't currently have one. And what do you mean by watery thin?
 
like rickrack mentioned, how does menzerna power finish cut?





And guys, would maybe 2 passes with the m205 help the situation? Or should I just switch the middle step?
 
Accumulator said:
Flip-side here, I've been really liking that 7006 pad *on non-rotaries*. Via Flex and even Griot's 6" it's been working well for me with both M105 and Optimum HC. But yeah, via rotary I'd much rather use wool most of the time. Oddly enough though, that pad (in a larger size) was just the ticket on that M3 I had; none of my wool pads seemed to work quite as well for some reason :nixweiss

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M105 via finishing pad is very popular with some people! I can't seem to get it to work right for me, but I'm certain that's user-error.





I had a gallon like that! I sent it back and got a replacement, but they never did comment on what was up with it.
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Sorry, I thought that we were talking about the W-WHC7 wool cutting pad for the solo system. I really like the 7006, really nice pad.



That watery stuff was nasty to work with!
 
Accumulator said:
I will admit I don't keep the pad quite as clean as with M105, but I don't think that's the problem. I actually think I have my technique down OK with this product, but under the SunGun I often see those oily pseudo-holograms (sometimes, rarely, see 'em in the sun too).



Huh...UPP with no issues?!? I wouldn't have tried that one after M205.



And it's funny that you say "Collinite products are out" as I *have* used them after M205 with no problems!



Heh heh, we're sure having different experiences with this one!
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We don't have any issues with UPP..none at all. I thought the same thing--no way it will work!



With the collinite products it's almost as if they just can't "clean" the remaining 205 oils off before bonding--talk about pseudo-holograms! I have had to repolish three cars after using the M205/collinite LSP's. FWIW, I was using 476s and then tried the insualtor, same result.



Really makes me wonder what's going on.....
 
solekeeper- There was apparently a bad batch of M205. I thought I was the only guy who had some of it, but it sounds like others got some too. If you get any M205 that's really thin (like milk) instead of being like a "normal Meguiar's polish" such as M80, then send it back; that's the bad stuff. SOOOO oily and even less cut than M205 usually has (but no better finishing either). Just bad stuff, hey, it happens.



ebpcivicsi- Eh, I think that was *my* mistake about which maroon pad we were discussing :o



But I am a little surprised that I like the 7006 (and it's new 7" cousin) so much, what with them being so "old tech" and all. I do want to try that new MF cutting pad though, see how the newest-tech works too.



That's interesting about when M205's oils do/don't cause issues for you :think: Eh, I'm doing so few vehicles that I can't really speak with authority the way you can...a few tries with something isn't much experience to base opinions on (hey, that ties in with your signature line!).



I've had issues with underlying stuff causing issues with UPP, so much so that I just *never* woulda thought I could use it over M205 without some heavy-duty cleaning! Eh, I'm only using UPP on the S8 and I'm not gonna finish that with M205 anyhow ;)



I have kinda a love/hate relationship with M205...I use it but I keep thinking that between sometimes benefiting from a follow up with Menzerna, and other times just being such a PIA that I wish I'd used 1Z HG, well.... I sorta surprise myself by using M205 as much as I do.
 
im with Rick on this one...203 menzerna powerfinish! cuts better than 205 and finishes better as well!



my new go to routine is surfbuf and 105, then 203 hydrotec tang or a white pad, then black pad with 85rd for some final polishing.



205 leaves too much marring of its own to deal with for me....
 
toyotaguy said:
im with Rick on this one...203 menzerna powerfinish! cuts better than 205 and finishes better as well!



my new go to routine is surfbuf and 105, then 203 hydrotec tang or a white pad, then black pad with 85rd for some final polishing.



205 leaves too much marring of its own to deal with for me....
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Ok, two votes for Power Finish. Now what pads to use that with?
 
I personally don't mind the oils or whatever in 205, but I'd have to rate the cut at a 1 or 2 because to me it shines very very well, but either doesn't cut at all or leaves it's own swirls, and that's with 4" LC white or black and Griot's 6" or PC or makita 9227
 
powerfinish with the following pads are what I use

orange

hydrotec tangerine

green

white



all depends on the results from the compounding step and type of paint, and if its just a one step and the type of paint (usually hydro or white pad though)
 
toyotaguy said:
powerfinish with the following pads are what I use

orange

hydrotec tangerine

green

white



all depends on the results from the compounding step and type of paint, and if its just a one step and the type of paint (usually hydro or white pad though)
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Well I'll be going from m105-maroon wool, does this Power finish have more cut than the m205?



If the cut is more significant, I'll do m105-wool, menzerna, then throw in 205 for the dark colored cars.
 
solekeeper said:
Ok, two votes for Power Finish. Now what pads to use that with?
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I can second on Menzerna PO203S. I would use it with a green or white Buff and shine pads/Über pads.
 
NO, kick 205 out of the equation....it blows in comparison to menzerna 203 IMO. get a bottle and see for yourself...



105 and maroon wool is pretty aggressive...you should go from that to 105 on orange/white, then 203 on white, then finishing polish...if you were to do things properly...



205 is a terribly marketed product IMO, it leaves so much micro marring from the "non-diminishing" abrasives that no matter what paint you are working one, it will never have the gloss and clarity to match its potential. Its one of the worst "ultra finishing" products I have used on the pc. its not even close to a finishing step IMO. Menzerna 85rd finishes MUCH better, so does Menzerna 203 for that matter!



203 cuts better, finishes better and is MUCH more glossy all around!!!! remove the polishing oils and you can go straight to waxing/sealing on some paints...(any black cars always get hit with 85rd from me.)
 
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