I have a few Q's...... KLASSE

Holy T*sticle Tuesday! this thread is making my head hurt.



Steve you need some samples - e-mail me. also need to talk about JDC and some upgrades.



Zaino - You want durability tests, wait a year. I finally got my Zaino. The Corolla was last Klasse'd in August or something, then a coat of Blitz in November. I have not touched the car since then PERIOD. Its been through a few touchless car washes in the winter. I will be Z'ing the car soon. The Klasse was applied 8 months or so since today. There is a coat or two of Blitz on the car but I think it has worn off already.



I got to look at the car last weekend. It still looked shiny under the dirt and obviously it was covered in swirls from the touchless car wash. I just need to find a Saturday to do a complete make over on this car. I got the z, I got the PC, I just need the car and some spring water. I'll try to do this Corolla April 20 or the 27th.



Correct me on my procedure,

1. Meguiars GC Wash

2. Meguiars Clay

3. Work on swirls with PC, foam cutting pad and AutoInt's Machine Polish or maybe the Clear coat compound. Maybe hit it with a rotary then follow up with PC. I'm looking to get the paint as perfect as possible.

4. Dawn wash it.

5. ZFX + Z5 for 3 coats, Z-6 inbetween.

6. Wash once a month with Z-7 and Z-6.



IMHO, Klasse and Zaino are two reputable sealants, my heart goes to Klasse though. I still love the carnauba shine, and the protection of Kasse. Klasse does protect. My cousin had his silver BMW washed last week at a hand wash place in Queens (Klasse AIO 1X by hand, Klasse SG X4 by hand, and concours application of Blitz in one day last May.) Now April, he said after the hand wash, the car looked great. It is a garage queen though, in a garage, and taken out on weekends (maybe twice a month.)



Ok I am fed up, I am going to put Zaino vs. Klasse vs. my boss's stuff against each other on a white 1998 Ford Explorer. The surface will be prepared using clay, a rotary and polish, then inspected to see if any micro marring remains, then if so use the PC, and once the surface is perfect, Klasse, Zaino, and Car Polish away. (1X Klasse AIO, 2X SG, 3X Z-2 +ZFX, and 1x Foam pad machine glaze, 2X Final Polish)

I will wash bi-weekly or every 3 weeks with Meguiars Gold Class and Z-7. On the hood will be 3 sections, one for each product line. Klasse passenger side hood, Zaino driver side hood, Car Polish in the middle. Klasse on the entire passenger side, Zaino on the driver side, Car Polish on tailgate/trunk area.

Any comments on this test, post it. Thanks :)



Jason
 
cool Jason, we can test it at the same time



I am not going to use a Z wash because, that will be unfair to Klasse (they should use the same wash for comparison, if Z wash enhances Z's performance)



again, I want Z users to agree on a long "weekend" Z combo that I will just let be (as I do Klasse)



Then six months later, I will report how I felt felt during the weekly or less washes, etc.
 
Sorry folks count me out of any durability tests, there is no way I can go more than 3 weeks without adding a SG/Z coat.



Seinfeld fans remember the 'master of your domain'? Well, my money is on the table: I'm out!:)
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Likecars [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Sorry folks count me out of any durability tests, there is no way I can go more than 3 weeks without adding a SG/Z coat.

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My sentiments exactly! Whle Zaino can easily last through the months on one or two coats, it's just too easy and tempting to add more coats than truly necessary. Plus, additional coats adds to the "wet" effect and deepens the shine.

However, I DO know someone on another board, a Zaino distributor, who has gone well over 6 months on his last Zaino coat on his show car. All he does is obviously periodically wash with Z7 and give the occasional Z6 QD to boost the protection and shine. So, my point being, is that I don't mind recommending Zaino in this same manner even though I don't use it like that. I know it can be done, and that's all the prroof I need to be able to recommend it to someone else if they want to use it like that also....
:)
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by YoSteve [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>You can apply Z1 and Z2 or Z5 (don't forget clay) to a method similar to 2+3 method of AIO and SG, but what would be the point of getting Zaino?

It may last for 6 months but most Z users rarely only detail twice a year.

Most Zaino users never give Z the bare minimum treatment they like to apply it often.

Klasse you can get away with mins and pull it off, and many poeple do, and that's what makes it easier, IMO.
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Steve, you can see why I was a bit skeptical about asking any of my fellow Zaino users to agree on some sort of designated Zaino regimen that you could use to effectively compare with Klasse.

Also, based on my poll, out of 9 people that have voted, only ONE person does the "twice a year with ABSOLUTELY no Klasse SG layers added in between" routine. Granted, there is a terribly high amount of sampling error in the poll, but I think it shows (to a certain extent) that there are both Zaino users and Klasse users who continue to layer coat upon coat whenever they feel like it. So your argument above is, IMO, moot.

Based on my experiences and other peoples' posts, I believe that if anyone wants to do a major stripping down, swirl-removing, cleaning and layering routine on their cars twice a year, either Klasse or Zaino (& Valueguard) will provide more than enough durability.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by YoSteve [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I am not going to use a Z wash because, that will be unfair to Klasse (they should use the same wash for comparison, if Z wash enhances Z's performance)[/b]</blockquote>
Don't mean to be a PITA, but what about the Souveran topper you applied to your Klasse coats back in November? To equalize that factor, are you going to top your Zaino with Souveran too?
 
After I posted a few of these posts on different threads and changed my signature, I had realized my error and concluded it was to late to say anything. we do need to consider the 1xsouveran coat that I did put on a week after my original Klasse was finished. I can't remember it was long ago and I hope it wasn't 2 coats but I doubt it cause I don't think I would (I guess I could hunt for the old threads) so we I would subtract a month (if souveran even lasts a month)

I use Klasse twice a year on roughly 5 cars (depends on how many different cars I detail), Jason does it on a few (we can only vote once [i didn't see the poll, nor did I vote] It's a proven method.

Saying a six month test is a mute point is fine, but if I boast that Klasse lasts twice a year (wash only maintainence) nobody on objects.

I've tested Klasse like this for almost a year and a half (only this past detail have I not QD'd).

I think it's a valid test, and I'm going to do it to your last prescribed method (until someone else decides to amend it).

If any Z user isn't happy with the test or thinks it Zaino shouldn't be performed in this way, then they can post here and why.

If I do like it, then I will surely boast a twice a year Zaino combo Intermezzo said (which I'm sure will meet with just as much scrutiny.)


Intermezzo, Zaino users can't have it both ways. If I were to say Klasse is more durable than Zaino for 6 months it would cause a stir. But if everyone adds to their Z because of how fun it is to apply then then shouldn't be able to say anything.

But then if I propose to test it under the same conditions (if not easier, cause it's not winter) then I causes another stir.

That's just not right; it's a double standard.

I too don't mean to be the PIA, but it needs to be done. And then we can play the money game and calcuate how much it really costs since the both systems will be evenly compared.

Jason, I need to e-mail you (save me some and I'll pay you for it).

Finally, it would be cool if some of the big time Z users would post on what combo they would like for me to try.
 
I wanted to add that you make Zaino look bad if there is a reluctance to testing it third party method. The reluctancy only further pushes Klasse claims in their direction.



I work for a coating company in which we send out products in to be tested for weathering. We can't control the weathering but we can control which products they use from use. We always put our best forth for Ford, GM, Chrysler, VW, etc. If we had control over our own third party testing (not to mention allowed to supplement our coatings to do better) then I'm sure we'd do a lot better if not be on top all the time. But we don't, we send it out and often cross our fingers.



I will always boast Klasse as a twice a year sealent and I will eventually find out if it is the most durable twice a year sealent.
 
I have to admit that I don't use Klasse that often, only once a year on cars. I never get to Klasse a car twice a year. I only had Klasse for about 14 months or so. The owners of the cars are only willing to let me have the car for one full day a year, then quick details after that (wash, wax, vac.)



The 1999 Corolla is one car I can keep an eye on (comes to my house almost every weekend.) BUT I can only do a complete detail on it once a year, with two or three mini details through out the rest of the year. I am putting this car on a diet of Zaino because of the ease of use and no second guessing on it. I can just keep a bottle of Z-7 and Z-6 at the owners house with a few towels and keep it at that. I'll take everything else home (Meguiars cleaner wax liquid, prestone wash, and some other products.)



Steve - I don't have the Z1 since I have the ZFX. I can get another ZFX kit and send over the Z-2 and/or Z-5 in the supplied bottles (as in picture, three white topped 2 oz bottles, 1 blue topped one with the ZFX vile, then you can mix it in your 1 oz bottles, maybe $30 for ZFX and 2 oz. Z-2, and 2 oz Z-5 with shipping, e-mail me and we will talk about this.)
 
$30! Klasse kit will last you 6 months for $16 ;)



I unfortunately will be stripping my whole car of it's still intact Klasse protection. It's still doing super well so I might just wait a little longer.
 
The Z should last a while too. Yes I am defending Zaino steve, haha :p



1 oz of Z-2 and Z-5 with ZFX (if you use your 1 oz bottles) will do 3-4 coats on your car, maybe even less. Then if you feel like it add on a coat of Z-2/Z-5 without the ZFX. This is what lead me onto the Zaino, along with ease of use and slimming down my ever growing supply of product (I made a pledge to STOP buying any more product, but not accessories like wash mitts, towels, applicators, and brushes will be replaced as needed.) the ZFX is the killer of the package though, $20 for it. You'll have most, if not 98% of the ZFX left after the test. OK OK, I'll fill the third bottle with 2 oz. of Z-7, and fill a pump spray bottle with 4 oz. of Z-6 (if I can find one.) That makes the price $35 for one year + of product :)



Oh Steve, why strip the Passat? You can strip one of the other cars and use it as a test car, LOL! How about the new SUV. Don't tell me you moved Steve.......
 
I won't be able to do make a good comparison if it's not on my car.



I only want 1 full applications months worth, I'll send you back the rest.
 
What exactely do you want for your test Steve? ZFX or Z1, Z-2 or Z-5, any Z-6 or Z-7?



Pretty hard to send out since I don't have any sample bottles yet, the container stores wants $26 and change for an order of 1 oz, 2 oz, 4 oz, and 8 oz bottles. I'll most likely order them at a later date.



Sending it back and forth would just waste postage $ IMHO.



Jason
 
I have sample bottles that I can send.



I don't know what I want. I am unfamiliar with the line.



I want what will hold up as well as 5 coats of SG.
 
Cool Steve, a $5 gift certificate to Yosteve.com with the sample bottles would be nice :) but optional. But ZFX if so hard to measure out you will need only 5-10 drops for this test. I don't have any Z-1.



As for what Zaino = 5 coats of Klasse SG. I don't know, I'm not sure anyone has a direct conversion. Ask Sal?



Later Buddy,

Jason
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by YoSteve [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I unfortunately will be stripping my whole car of its still intact Klasse protection.[/b]</blockquote>
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by YoSteve [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Saying a six month test is a mute point is fine, but if I boast that Klasse lasts twice a year (wash only maintainence) nobody on objects.

I've tested Klasse like this for almost a year and a half (only this past detail have I not QD'd).

I think it's a valid test, and I'm going to do it to your last prescribed method (until someone else decides to amend it).
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Steve, please do not misunderstand me. I didn't say your test was moot. I said that your assertion that,

<strong class='bbc'>"You can apply Z1 and Z2 or Z5 (don't forget clay) to a method similar to 2+3 method of AIO and SG, but what would be the point of getting Zaino?

It may last for 6 months but most Z users rarely only detail twice a year.

Most Zaino users never give Z the bare minimum treatment they like to apply it often.

Klasse you can get away with mins and pull it off, and many poeple do, and that's what makes it easier, IMO."[/b]

is a moot point. That's all. If you want to test Zaino, go ahead and test it the best way you can. I have full confidence that you are capable of determining what kind of detailing regiment would most reflect what you've been doing with Klasse.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by YoSteve [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I wanted to add that you make Zaino look bad if there is a reluctance to testing it third party method. The reluctancy only further pushes Klasse claims in their direction.[/b]</blockquote>
Steve, a third party test is fine. Who would that unbiased third party be? No one here is stopping you from doing your own testing.

Sure, Zaino people do not 'like' the twice a year routine, but apparently, neither do most Klasse users.
 
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