How "I" wash cars.......

TrueDetailer said:
I can't see doing one section at a time with a spray bottle and rag being much faster than bucket washing.
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I think there may be a misunderstanding here. What you described above is a waterless wash. A rinseless wash uses a bucket and traditional wash media, you just don't pre-soak the vehicle or rinse after washing. Here is a better explanation:



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-product-discussion/67760-requested-qew-writeup-using-mfs-instead-mitts.html?highlight=QEW



FWIW I'm not a professional detailer and I use a rinseless wash. I can wash my 02 Silverado about twice as fast as I could doing a traditional wash. It's nice since there is virtually no chance of water spots or having water running out from between body panels/under trim after I finish drying.
 
thesacrifice said:
Megs APC (green) is not a degreaser, Megs has a dedicated degreaser (pink)
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I know its not a degreaser, but its the closest thing I have. Would spraying that on the body panels do any harm?
 
evenflow said:
Spraying degreaser (Meguiars APC?) wont hurt the paint on the lower body panels?
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It will not if properly diluted. The only time I do this is in extreme cases. Meg's APC (Green) at 10:1 will barely remove wax.
 
Hey Justin -



I realize you're a bit sensitive as we all get real close to our products and processes.

But I think TrueDetailer raised a fair question (even though I disagree with his assesment of no rinse washing)...

But if you're already power washing, the no rinse wash after seems unnecessary.



I don't think your process is way off though as here's what I did on Saturday....

It's been real cold 'n snowy here in CNY, but Saturday was nice and sunny. I went to the spray car wash and gave it a power wash. The 2 mile drive home gets most of the water off. Then back in the driveway, I did a quick detail, using ONR @ 8oz/gal. I use a 1.5qt. pressure sprayer - lightly spray on and wipe off with dry waffle weave MF's.

This gets any streaks and remaining dirt left by the wash and leaves a really nice shine.

Because the roads are such a mess, I just sprayed the tires, wells and lower black trim with the ONR mix and let it dry, adding a soft layer of slick to these areas.



In complete contrast to TrueDetailer, I think ONR rules and I often do an ONR wash with a single bucket of rinse water. It does an excellent job, saves time, conserves water and there's no soapy mess in the driveway!
 
It amazes me how some people here criticize someone just for posting their own personal process. Justin, like usual, is going out of his way to share his process with people so they can better their skills. Will his process work for every single person? No. But like the saying goes, "There's more than one way to skin a cat". There isn't a single BEST process for stuff like this. For that reason, I don't understand the people here that are giving him crap.



TrueDetailer said:
You don't like my 2 cents so you have to be a smartass? You sould like a little *****.
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This is totally uncalled for!



You use whatever process fits you best and go for it. Justin, being a professional detailer, has found that this system works best for him and he was nice enough to share that with the rest of us. Regardless, if it helps one person or 100 people, it was nice of Justin to share the process with everyone.



For me personally, I don't have any problems understanding Justin's process and why he does it the way he does. I think it makes total sense. I myself will try his process to see if it will work for me. If it's not my "cup of tea", fine. If it works for me and I like it, great. Either way, it's something new to try. I'm always open to new ideas. Also, I always look forward to the threads that he starts. I've learned a ton just because of his generosity in posting his experiences as a detailer. I'd hate to see him stop sharing his experiences because of what some of you people say about it.



One thing is for sure, there's definitely a lack of appreciation in here!



<rant over>
 
Justin,

Thanks for sharing. Looks like an excellent plan. I am just a hobbyist, so I bow to the masters here, but I think I would vacuum the interior before I started the process. That would especially be the case if the inside is very trashy (e.g. leftover burger wrappers, etc.). Normally, the wife's driver is full of stuff that needs to come out before one can vacuum (e.g. umbrella, work stuff, notebooks, coffee cup, pencils, etc.) or do the door panels, console, map pockets, and such. Also, I'm just not too comfy dragging an electrical cord around in an area I have recently pressure washed.



Please understand that I certainly don't question your abilities. I await the video. Perhaps you have found the way to save 15 minutes. Although cleaning up the drivers is a labor of love for me, assuming the weather is good, I could stand an additional 15 minutes to admire the finished product.
 
Mid-Life Cruiser said:
Please understand that I certainly don't question your abilities. I await the video. Perhaps you have found the way to save 15 minutes. Although cleaning up the drivers is a labor of love for me, assuming the weather is good, I could stand an additional 15 minutes to admire the finished product.
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Sometimes I really do not know what the issue with speed is. I know if I have a lot planned for the day I do want to hurry up and get on to the next one but man, if I'm getting paid well, I'm gonna take my time. I'm now getting 60-75.00 for a wash in some cases. Another 20 minutes isn't gonna hurt nothing. Plus, it takes it's toll on the detailer.



Thanks for you kind words.
 
mshu7 said:
If it's not my "cup of tea", fine. If it works for me and I like it, great. Either way, it's something new to try. I'm always open to new ideas.



One thing is for sure, there's definitely a lack of appreciation in here!



<rant over>
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I wish more were like this. I never said that my wash wash better than others but other want to come in and theirs are better. I just don't get it! Do you see ME in any other threads saying my way is the right or questioning other's abilities? No. God gave us 2 ears and 1 mouth......guess what we should be doing twice over the other? Listening and not talking.



Then another thing, post your process. Take you time to this. I was accused of only doing this to appease a manufacturer. None were mentioned here. I took my time after a full day of detailing to do this for others. And for it to be said that one's process makes him a professional, that just bent me the wrong freaking way!
 
Mshu7 wrote:

It amazes me how some people here criticize someone just for posting their own personal process. Justin, like usual, is going out of his way to share his process with people so they can better their skills. Will his process work for every single person? No. But like the saying goes, "There's more than one way to skin a cat". There isn't a single BEST process for stuff like this. For that reason, I don't understand the people here that are giving him crap.
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I disagree. Questioning a process and/or offering a suggestion is not criticizing or 'giving him crap' but merely a offering a suggestion for process improvement.



There are many different paths to the zen of detailing. But questioning a process or suggesting alternatives is, well, what the value of this site is all about.... isn't it?
 
Critiquing is one thing, but from what I read it turned into critisizing. Truedetailer started out asking a simple question on his process, but then it seems like he didn't get the answer he was looking for and turned to critisizing Justin for not being professional because he doesn't bucket wash with a traditional soap.



I would say that Justin did get a bit too defensive, but I think he was just overreacting to the judgemental tone that I was reading into Truedetailers posts. I'm sure neither side was trying to be a jerk to the other, we just have to remember how easy it is to take things the wrong way on the internet.
 
Grimm said:
Truedetailer started out asking a simple question on his process, but then it seems like he didn't get the answer he was looking for and turned to critisizing Justin for not being professional because he doesn't bucket wash with a traditional soap.
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Maybe you should re-read my posts. I made it clear i was not trying to attack the mans skill. Asked why he didn't bucket wash and gave my 2cents about time saving and now most of you seem to think otherwise, including the thread starter and i get a smartass reply to one of my posts?





Again, it seems i'm the only one to stray from the praise and good job replies and give my real opinion. You know if you can't take constructive critisism than you shouldn't be part of a forum. Not everyone is going to think the same as you. I don't post much on here and i see why. To many forum tought detailers that hop on bandwagons.
 
+1 to the Youtube video idea. Get a friend or someone to video tape you detailing a car during an average day. It would help a lot of us out.
 
I always appreciate your posts Justin, top work as usual! Thanks for sharing your methods as a man who does this for a living!
 
TrueDetailer said:
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Again, it seems i'm the only one to stray from the praise and good job replies and give my real opinion. You know if you can't take constructive critisism than you shouldn't be part of a forum. Not everyone is going to think the same as you. I don't post much on here and i see why. To many forum tought detailers that hop on bandwagons.
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Would you be kind of enough to post your process in length so others could review and critique yours?



That would be much appreciated.
 
I'd love a video covering washing methods, polishing methods, etc... It would be absolutely great to see how a fellow autopian works :)
 
TrueDetailer said:
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Maybe you should re-read my posts. I made it clear i was not trying to attack the mans skill. Asked why he didn't bucket wash and gave my 2cents about time saving and now most of you seem to think otherwise, including the thread starter and i get a smartass reply to one of my posts?





Again, it seems i'm the only one to stray from the praise and good job replies and give my real opinion. You know if you can't take constructive critisism than you shouldn't be part of a forum. Not everyone is going to think the same as you. I don't post much on here and i see why. To many forum tought detailers that hop on bandwagons.
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I don't post much on this site since I don't have a large knowledge base. I am primarily forum "TAUGHT". I am thankful that people like Justin take the time to do this for the rest of us. There are many discussions where people criticize or question a certain technique. However, those persons that choose to add their .02 usually have some basis of knowledge. The difference here is that you obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to rinseless wash. Instead of reading what previous persons have typed, you choose to ignore the fact that your basic premise about rinseless wash is completely wrong and insist on bucket washing. Well, the most commonly accepted technique for rinseless wash use is to use TWO BUCKETS. You would know this if, instead of typing you would do a quick search and READ. Who knows, maybe you could LEARN something on a forum.
 
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