Duragloss FC & Zaino Z6 - Same Product????

[Setec Astronomy]

For trade secret reasons, yes he does process out of state, and his NJ address is just a UPS store. Sal does value his privacy and trade secrets above all else.

So that Rt. 9 address isn't even his office? It's just a UPS store (that was one of the businesses listed at the address)? I should cancel my trip?

 

[Scottwax]

Without disclosing his trade secrets, which I wouldn't expect him to anyway, Sal very clearly explained the difference between the polymer structures he uses and what is more commonly used. Zaino's polymers are not used by anyone else and are unique to his formula.

I am sure if you talk to half a dozen detailing product manufactuters, they will say the same thing. They have the superior chemistry, the others don't. I take everything I hear with a grain of salt.

 

[SpearsVette]

so do you feel Sal is having his own raw esters, fats, alcohols etc combined into polymers, and creating his own silicones, and not using off the shelf polymeres and silicones that 99.9% of the industry does?



Not to doubt Zaino, because it sure is an impressive product, but I doubt that he is creating his own raw ingredients. And is just using what most other manufacturers use, just in different concentration levels.

 

[BigJimZ28]

so a week ago you could not tell the differance and were pro-duragloss

then you talked to someone on the phone and that changed ?



wow I think you just lost a lot of respect

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Man, the drama on this thread eclipses the stuff that you see on the Lifetime Network.

Yeah, talk about plot twists! Where is that popcorn smilie...

 

[TigerMike]

I am sure if you talk to half a dozen detailing product manufactuters, they will say the same thing. They have the superior chemistry, the others don't. I take everything I hear with a grain of salt.

That may be true, but I think I'd rather go with Zaino, as I find them more unique.

 

[SpearsVette]

That may be true, but when one offers a polymer unlike anything else even created in the industry, I think I'd rather go with it.

just playing devil's advocate, how do you know? Did he disclose the name of the polymere, or how it was formulated? I mean, I could spout off about 10 different polymeres/silicones that popular sealants/synthetic waxes use today. Would you be none the wiser?

 

[howareb]

Zaino's polymers are not used by anyone else and are unique to his formula. Sure the results may be close between DG and Z, but honestly after his explanation, I think I'll stick with Z now.

What explanination did he give you? There must have been some pretty strong differences to make you change your mind. The fact that you changed your mind is one thing, what we are trying to figure out is what he said to you. That is informational for us, consider that the products still resemble each other so much. Or do you now doubt that also?

 

[TigerMike]

so a week ago you could not tell the differance and were pro-duragloss

then you talked to someone on the phone and that changed ?



wow I think you just lost a lot of respect

I'm not on an internet forum looking for respect, sorry to disappoint you.



After talking on the phone with someone, I realize that what I have been saying with regards to DG being the equivalent to Z is untrue and needs to be stated. Also, my disappointment with ClearSeal and ZFX had nothing to do with Zaino, but I expressed unfair disappointment about both.



Yes, sometimes talking to people who are more vastly knowledgeable than yourself can tend to offer more information and less speculation.



I'm not saying all this to promote Zaino, but to admit I was wrong in accusing Zaino for things that were not his fault. Do I prefer Zaino now, yeah probably. It seems like a more technologically advanced and current product for me.

 

[Scottwax]

That may be true, but when one offers a polymer unlike anything else even created in the industry, I think I'd rather go with it.

Again short of a chemical analysis how do you know this?

 

[imported_Detailing Technology]

Some know how to adjust the contrast and saturation of a color digital photo, others know how to design polymers in a product.



I don't think anyone here is angry with Sal, Zaino, Tommy, The Son of Sam, Milli Vanilli, Ect. I think people get pissed at the little fan-boys and hate-mongers who post dreck, and just go off a the mouth (or keyboard) to silence the static from them.



If the product was no good, it wouldn't become a 14 page thread every time the name came up.

 

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

I am puzzled and really dismayed by the reasoning behind some of the "brand loyalty" and "promoting" I see...



Maybe I am idealistic but I would hope when someone is such a fan of a particular product line (duragloss in the case) and touts it every chance they get it is because of the performance and not for personal issues..



I think it is unfortunate that you mislead people and the way they spend their money based on personal issues...



Almost reversed shilling???

 

[TigerMike]

Short of a chemical analysis, exactly how do you know this?

Scott,



Maybe I was a little over enthusiastic in my earlier explanation. Sal did not provide specifics on formulas or anything like that, but just in talking about products I feel Zaino is unique.

 

[aabablusaan]

I am puzzled and really dismayed by the reasoning behind some of the "brand loyalty" and "promoting" I see...



Maybe I am idealistic but I would hope when someone is such a fan of a particular product line (duragloss in the case) and touts it every chance they get it is because of the performance and not for personal issues..



I think it is unfortunate that you mislead people and the way they spend their money based on personal issues...



Almost reversed shilling???

^^^ It's just a constant reminder to try products and evaluate them against your own performance standards, not by the decision of public opinion. As a result, you can take a review with a grain of salt, because what is pleasing to one person may not be so pleasing to another.



I use Meguiar's products, Turtle Wax Ice spray detailer, and I'm now interested in trying the Duragloss products. But the current products that I use on my car meet my needs, and I'm sure aren't the most popular ones on Internet message boards.



Food for thought.

 

[TigerMike]

I am puzzled and really dismayed by the reasoning behind some of the "brand loyalty" and "promoting" I see...



Maybe I am idealistic but I would hope when someone is such a fan of a particular product line (duragloss in the case) and touts it every chance they get it is because of the performance and not for personal issues..



I think it is unfortunate that you mislead people and the way they spend their money based on personal issues...



Almost reversed shilling???

I never touted Duragloss because I got anything from it. Heck, I've never even spoken with the company. I feel it is a good product, just like Zaino, and will also continue to use it. I think there have been numerous threads about how well Duragloss performs, not just in my opinion. And, if anything, I have told people over and again to always try for yourself and be your own judge. Yeah, I used DG exclusively for a while, because I was upset that I had Zaino issues, which turn out to be more my fault. I'm not giving it up just because I spoke with Sal. It's just that I believe Zaino to be the better product for me, in my opinion.



Duragloss does perform very well, how did I mislead anyone in saying so? I will continue to recommend Duragloss products and I will still use DG products, but I'm also going to be using Zaino again, now that my issues are resolved. Just because I feel Zaino is a better choice for me doesn't negate what I've said about it being an outstanding product, in its own right.



I could have just as easily gone back to Meguiar's or Mother's or anyone else, but I choose DG because I truly feel it is a better product for me locally. My opinion on that will not change. However, all of my DG is similar to speculation was just that, internet banter about what I thought was accurate. I always tell people to try for yourself. Some people do and prefer DG others Zaino. And that's fair. I feel that I unfairly gain Zaino a bad rap, and I am going to start using these products again as well. Not ground breaking stuff for me really...

 

[TGates]

Wow. So there are people here who care enough (or are just that bored) to argue this over the internet, but won't call and talk to Sal about it in person to make their own judgements. There's something wrong with that.



The people who have an axe to grind with Zaino (based on assumptions, nonetheless) are just as bad as those who they deem the Zaino Fan Boys or Zealots.

 

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

^^^ It's just a constant reminder to try products and evaluate them against your own performance standards, not by the decision of public opinion. As a result, you can take a review with a grain of salt, because what is pleasing to one person may not be so pleasing to another.



I use Meguiar's products, Turtle Wax Ice spray detailer, and I'm now interested in trying the Duragloss products. But the current products that I use on my car meet my needs, and I'm sure aren't the most popular ones on Internet message boards.



Food for thought.

I totally agree with you..



Another perfect example to try products yourself.. I know I have a small handful of people that I have met on these boards, we actually have become friends and I take thier word as truth without question.. scenarios such as this really make me question alot - very unfortunate but what am I to expect, this is the internet after all.. I guess my hopes that we are all either professionals or enthusiats clouded my judgement into believing in a utopia

 

[Thomas Dekany]

Scott,



Maybe I was a little over enthusiastic in my earlier explanation. Sal did not provide specifics on formulas or anything like that, but just in talking about products I feel Zaino is unique.

Mike - I have some tunnels I'd like to sell you. Please call me asap. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Deep Gloss Auto Salon]

I never touted Duragloss because I got anything from it. Heck, I've never even spoken with the company. I feel it is a good product, just like Zaino, and will also continue to use it. I think there have been numerous threads about how well Duragloss performs, not just in my opinion. And, if anything, I have told people over and again to always try for yourself and be your own judge. Yeah, I used DG exclusively for a while, because I was upset that I had Zaino issues, which turn out to be more my fault. I'm not giving it up just because I spoke with Sal. It's just that I believe Zaino to be the better product for me, in my opinion.



Duragloss does perform very well, how did I mislead anyone in saying so? I will continue to recommend Duragloss products and I will still use DG products, but I'm also going to be using Zaino again, now that my issues are resolved. Just because I feel Zaino is a better choice for me doesn't negate what I've said about it being an outstanding product, in its own right.

Bottom line Mike.. prior to today you pushed, praised, hailed duragloss as being the superior product even though in your heart you felt otherwise (I'm not saying you dont like it), to push your personal agenda..



That violates an unwritten ethic I would think we should all adhere to on here..

 

[howareb]

Well the similarities in the products are still the same to me. I do not get how a 2 Hour conversation with someone changed your total perception about that TigerMike. This thread had nothing to do your ax with Zaino (that is your personal business). But if you thought that these products were so STRONGLY similar before and now they are not Sal must have given you an explanation better than "I cannot tell you because it is a trade secret".