Detailersclub.com down?

Nobody ever asks me what I use when detailing their cars. Most people want a shiny, clean car, and they pay no attention to how long the wax is lasting, the water is beading, etc. It is instant gratification. For most of the customers in my area, they want the car to be really clean, and occasionally they want it protected from the elements with a nice coat of wax or sealant. I do not have even ONE customer that get's their car done enough times per year to keep it protected. Not ONE. Yes, I have repeat customers, but most people think that if you wax your car once a year it is fine, no matter what I tell them. I cannot undue perceptions that people have formed over many years.



Professionalism is in how you conduct yourself with a customer, not what products you use. Being punctual, having a clean appearance (both in yourself and your rig, or building), standing behind your work, etc. is what makes you come off as professional.



My wife has a house cleaning business. ANY of those people she cleans for could clean their houses themselves and do a good job (maybe not quite as good simply because my wife has learned tricks of the trade throughout the years) and would be able to do so with products from Wal-Mart or any other such store. My wife would be foolish to buy so called "professional strength" chemicals to clean their homes, as it would likely cost more for products that basically do the same thing. She is merely providing a service that saves people the time and effort of doing those things themselves, and so am I when I detail a car.



Products are marketed at people that buy them. Everyone wants to feel that their product is better. At the local discount store, they make regular earplugs that they sell for $1.00, but they make "special" ear plugs for ladies that are pink and they charge $3.00. What is the difference? Nothing but color. I've tried a lot of detailing products, and for the most part, I don't see that much difference, and I guarantee that most of your customers won't, unless they are the impressionable type that would spend the $3.00 for $1.00 ear plugs with a pink color added.
 
wannafbody said:
Well, If NXT 2.0 is good I'd suspect that #21 2.0 would be better. In business image is everything. If you use a bottle of NXT from WalMart you are saying to the customer you are a "walmart detail". Granted if you charge "walmart" prices that might be a fitting product. If you use a bottle with MEGS PRO on it you are giving the image that you are a PROFESSIONAL. The end result may or may not be any different but the perception in the mind of the customer may be very different. Or you could do this-use a product in an unlabeled bottle to "hide" your secrets from your customers. Politely tell your customers that you use only the best professional products available. Bush's Baked Beans doesn't protect the "secret family recipe" for the fun of it.



It's a good thing I poured my NXT 2.0 into a Meguiar's Professional Dispensor bottle immediately after buying it. The 21 2.0 may be better, but it isn't available yet. I just washed a car for the 3rd timse since I applied NXT 2.0 to a few weeks ago, and it still has the same shine and slickness that it had after application. I am also impressed by this stuff.
 
wannafbody said:
When someone works on a high end car they aren't going to use a OTC product in the original packaging. They are going to match the product to the car. In this case Zaino has established a reputation as one of the best product lines over many years. Using the best products are in the best interest of the detailer and the client. It really is common sense, why should anyone pay good money for a detailer who uses a product off the shelf at WalMart.



Judging by your comment I suspect you have never been to a high end car show, at least before the attends show up and everything put away. I have been to Pebble Beach Concours of Elegance, World of Wheels, Good Guys, Super Chevy Show and lots of others and the only show I have seen with the big Z is World of Wheels and they a couple of C5 Corvette guys. For Berret and other top end car builders they have a crew that tours and shows their cars and the majority of them or Megs users. Megs totally dominates the show car market probably by 70 plus percent and this includes all the big street rod builders and even the new car manufactures at the shows. I don’t personally use any megs products but I can’t denies that they do dominate the show car market. I will stick to my PS...but facts are facts...
 
Where did I knock Megs product line? I'm not saying that Megs isn't a decent line of products. We all know show cars can look great with a coat of Pledge on them because they only have to look good for a day or two. We also know that Megs isn't the only line that has won "best of" at a show. IMO if you are being paid big bucks to do a detail you owe the customer more than a product that they can buy themselves at Walmart or AutoZone. Megs makes a professional line for a reason-as do other companies. If you guys think I'm wrong then fine. I know that if I was paying someone to do a detail for me and they showed up using a OTC consumer product they wouldn't do another detail for me. Maybe I'm more picky about what I consider "professional" than the average customer.





"It's a good thing I poured my NXT 2.0 into a Meguiar's Professional Dispensor bottle immediately after buying it. The 21 2.0 may be better, but it isn't available yet. I just washed a car for the 3rd timse since I applied NXT 2.0 to a few weeks ago, and it still has the same shine and slickness that it had after application. I am also impressed by this stuff."



My point exactly, at least you were smart enough to put it in a PRO bottle and give a professional appearance.
 
I agree with you, if Im doing it for money, I think you should give people the best products you can, and a LSP that is durable. Again, back to perception, I think in alot of cases if the car stops beading 3 weeks after you leave a job, the perception is your products are not very good. Some people pay attention to this, some will not.
 
wannafbody said:
IMO if you are being paid big bucks to do a detail you owe the customer more than a product that they can buy themselves at Walmart or AutoZone. Megs makes a professional line for a reason-as do other companies.



What I owe customers is a quality detail using quality products. So what if it is available at Wal-Mart? I use it because it flat works. Plus, like others have pointed out, Meguiars is a name that the average person has probably heard of and probably have a positive image of.
 
Scottwax said:
What I owe customers is a quality detail using quality products. So what if it is available at Wal-Mart? I use it because it flat works. Plus, like others have pointed out, Meguiars is a name that the average person has probably heard of and probably have a positive image of.



Scott, how you decide to run your business is up to you. You aren't answerable to me-only your customers. I've yet to hear anyone say that NXT was better than #21-which some have claimed as the best looking Megs product currently available and more durable than NXT. I'm sure when the 2.0 version of #21 is available it will be better than NXT 2.0.
 
wannafbody said:
1.) Where did I knock Megs product line? I'm not saying that Megs isn't a decent line of products.



2.) IMO if you are being paid big bucks to do a detail you owe the customer more than a product that they can buy themselves at Walmart or AutoZone.



1.) You did exactly that with the Walmart reference you keep bringing up........



2.) Says who.....? What is "big bucks" btw........??



Your not a customer. Why short sell a good guy with a rotary because he happens to use products you obviously don't approve of........?
 
Dave1 said:
1.) You did exactly that with the Walmart reference you keep bringing up........



2.) Says who.....? What is "big bucks" btw........??



Your not a customer. Why short sell a good guy with a rotary because he happens to use products you obviously don't approve of........?





Yep... just what I was try to say. Anyone that puts "show car" in their product name and isn't Megs in living in some sort of dream world and needs to open their eyes!!! I don't use Megs but them and mothers are the big names on the "show car" circuit. Zaino, PS, OS AJ and the rest are not even couple precent of the total when it comes to the high end "show car" circuit.
 
Dave1 said:
1.) You did exactly that with the Walmart reference you keep bringing up........



2.) Says who.....? What is "big bucks" btw........??



Your not a customer. Why short sell a good guy with a rotary because he happens to use products you obviously don't approve of........?





I knocked Megs by saying that 21 is better than NXT? Would I knock ScratchX by saying that #83 was better? How many detailers here use Scratchx for their details? 83 is a better product because it was designed with certain perameters to work for a "pro" detailer. Many of Megs pro products have been specifically designed.





A lot of the prices I see thrown around here are $150 or more per detail. If OTC NXT cost 50cents per application would a more expensive product that cost $1.00 or even $2.00 per application be outrageous? Lets say you charge on the low side and charge $150-would the increased cost of an extra dollar or two kill your profit?





Does Scott own a rotary? Many "pro" detailers don't. Many are afraid the rotary will strip clearcoat. Myself and others have suggested for years that people learn the rotary and use wool pads. Using a rotary or Flex would increase one's hourly rate by reducing the time needed for a detail.





BTW, nowhere in this thread have I mentioned any other product line than Megs.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Boy, I bet this thread didn't go the way anyone expected...
No, it didn't. I'm hopeful for the eventual return of DetailersClub.com, but I'm not banking on it anytime soon. I haven't been an active poster on Autopia for a long time, in great part because I don't like how Autopia evolved, and I like some of the attitude I've seen even less.
 
Len_A said:
No, it didn't. I'm hopeful for the eventual return of DetailersClub.com, but I'm not banking on it anytime soon. I haven't been an active poster on Autopia for a long time, in great part because I don't like how Autopia evolved, and I like some of the attitude I've seen even less.



Er...that's not what I meant...it just looked like this was going to a knock-down, drag out, Autopia vs. DClub, DavidB vs. whoever, and instead most of the thread has been about what kind of products a "professional" detailer uses, and whether a "professional detail" can be done with OTC products.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Er...that's not what I meant...it just looked like this was going to a knock-down, drag out, Autopia vs. DClub, DavidB vs. whoever, and instead most of the thread has been about what kind of products a "professional" detailer uses, and whether a "professional detail" can be done with OTC products.

Yea, I noticed that, too, and while I'm grateful it didn't turn into a Autopia vs. DetailersClub thread, the "can a 'professional detail' can be done with OTC products" commentary is still not one I enjoy reading. It's a prime example of how this forum has changed over the years and how much I don't enjoy it like I did five or six years ago.
 
wannafbody said:
I knocked Megs by saying that 21 is better than NXT? Would I knock ScratchX by saying that #83 was better? How many detailers here use Scratchx for their details? 83 is a better product because it was designed with certain perameters to work for a "pro" detailer. Many of Megs pro products have been specifically designed.



Have you tried NXT2.0? I have and it has been on cars for more than 3 months now and still holding up. I'd say so far it is at least as good as the original #21 and very comparible to Zaino Z5 and Werkstatt's Acrlic Jett. You know me, you know I have a plethora of LSPs on hand. AJ, CJ, Z5, Souveran, CMW, #16, Glanz Wax, OS, UPGP, OCW, CS...why would I chose NXT2.0 over those unless I really believed it was a high quality product?



BTW, you do know that much of Meguiars Mirror Glaze (which is part of Meguiars professional line) is available at the consumer level?



No agruments about ScratchX vs #83, but ScratchX does have its place when a minor scuff is easily correctable by hand vs pulling out the buffer and #83.





A lot of the prices I see thrown around here are $150 or more per detail. If OTC NXT cost 50cents per application would a more expensive product that cost $1.00 or even $2.00 per application be outrageous? Lets say you charge on the low side and charge $150-would the increased cost of an extra dollar or two kill your profit?



It isn't the cost of the product, it is the performance. #16 is dirt cheap and protects very well.





Does Scott own a rotary? Many "pro" detailers don't. Many are afraid the rotary will strip clearcoat. Myself and others have suggested for years that people learn the rotary and use wool pads. Using a rotary or Flex would increase one's hourly rate by reducing the time needed for a detail.





BTW, nowhere in this thread have I mentioned any other product line than Megs.



I'm currently using William H. Bonney's rotary and have been for the last few weeks. I'll either end up getting one of my own before his goes back or buying his if he gets another one. Definitely agree how much better and faster it corrects harder paints.
 
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