Detailersclub.com down?

David Fermani[B said:
]Of course, but the other forums don't allow discussion of any products that are not forum sponsored. Here's we can talk about ANY product, as long as their's not ulterior motives. Other forums delete your posts if you're not conforming to their suggested products. I haven't seen it here. [/B]







Maybe I haven't noticed, but who's gotten banned here for discussing Zaino? Their whole product line is discussed constantly just as much as any other's here.
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If that isnt the pot calling the kettle black I dont know what is. Might as well :lock: this as its just going to get nasty.
 
Oh come on guys, I love both of them and use a plethora of various products which I tested and personally selected. Whether or not a particular board is blocking one, and the other frowns on others - it's all about DETAILING.



Let's keep the quarrels to PMs.



I don't think you guys can summarize years worth of pop shots in a single thread, not to mention the wrong thread.

I am VERY grateful that I have been able to come here and regroup members to KNOW that Detailersclub is not GONE, but just DOWN. The hospitality is more than I could have asked for.



All of you guys are awesome, and we've got some darn incredible talent. I always wonder how we keep it confined to such a small community of just these few internet boards.



So, with that said, let's keep the animosity to a minimal, we all love detailing, and I'm not going to let a commercial of any type ruin my day. :hifive:
 
I disagree with the whole "DavidB" is keeping us down because we use Zaino theory.



Have there been some bannings that I think are totally unfair, of course. Do I even understand why they happened, nope, but that doesn't mean things don't happen behind the scenes and conclusions aren't jumped to.



Also, I have broken rules on this board, and would be an obvious target to ban. I have had more than one disaggrement with several moderators as well. Considering the amount of work I do on expensive cars with Zaino, it would make sense to ban me if this "attack" was the case.



I recieved a time out for an offense that I could have been banned for (or banned for no reason) but I feel completey fair in the treatment I have recieved. I have been vocal about what I feel is crappy marketing, and not even warned or threatened. I think that there is a conflict of interest because it is difficult when you own a board to watch a product you own get negative feedback, but I the execution has been very good.



As far as argueeing over LSPs, I think its kind of pointless. I would think that this board would be more brand loyal to compounds/polishes, as that is where 95 percent of the look comes from anyways.
 
TH0001 said:
"Considering the amount of work I do on expensive cars with Zaino..."
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Do you feel it gives you more credibility?

I don't want to use "bragging", but I'm tempted to. It doesn't really apply considering one crucial fact.

Considering that "expensive cars" are usually less work and better taken care of before the detail.



...With that said, it really doesn't matter how expensive.

In all honesty, I really mean no offense when I say this.

I just felt it should be pointed out, I'm sure others would agree.



Anyways,

Refer to my previous post.:

(URL-->) http://autopia.org/forum/hot-tub/100342-detailersclub-com-down-2.html#post1044170



I just hope the other board is going to live, we're all detailers who obviously love what we do - I'm sure nobody wants the board to die.



You guys may have your disagreements with each other, but I feel what we have in common really outweighs the disagreements, especially considering how small of a community we are!



:usa
 
DieselMDX said:
lol any thread on zaino is normally locked
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The only reason its locked is because it goes to crap with arguments or name calling. Its not locked because of the "Zaino" product discussion.



Get real....
 
Alright, as I said there are strong opinions and that's fine. Let's not get into a whole debate on why or which topic/product etc gets banned at which forum.



Moving right along, let's hope that Detailersclub gets the site back up.



Once again, have a happy holiday.



Deanski
 
WilliamHBonney said:
If that isnt the pot calling the kettle black I dont know what is.
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I'd love it if you could elaborate and explain yourself a little.......





Here's an example of what I mean:



Product discussion and support should be limited to products we carry and sell



This forum was designed to promote and help the users of AG and our sister sites. (Pinnacle, Wolfgang, Bikedepot) As such we will keep the discussions to our product lines
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Pretty clear cut for me. This will never happen here.
 
charlesaferg said:
Do you feel it gives you more credibility?

I don't want to use "bragging", but I'm tempted to. It doesn't really apply considering one crucial fact.

Considering that "expensive cars" are usually less work and better taken care of before the detail.



...With that said, it really doesn't matter how expensive.

In all honesty, I really mean no offense when I say this.

I just felt it should be pointed out, I'm sure others would agree.



Anyways,

Refer to my previous post.:

(URL-->) http://autopia.org/forum/hot-tub/100342-detailersclub-com-down-2.html#post1044170



I just hope the other board is going to live, we're all detailers who obviously love what we do - I'm sure nobody wants the board to die.



You guys may have your disagreements with each other, but I feel what we have in common really outweighs the disagreements, especially considering how small of a community we are!



:usa
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Do I feel it gives me more crediablity, yes... Do I think its deserved, not really. I agree that most expensive cars are far easier to maintain, improve, work on then a minivan. I think you completely missed the point of my post.



The point is that my work showcases Zaino, hell I have Zaino in my avatar, and I have never felt mis treated.



The fact that I apply and tie Zaino to high end cars is more benefical from a marketing stand point then somebody tieing it to a minivan. Its better marketing for the compaines whose product I use.



Personally, I feel your post was out of line, as I try to comment on peoples threads about the work they do, not on the cars they do it on (unless its just a way cool car). I judge myself and others by the work, not the canvas, so to speak.



All I'm saying is that if this huge anti Zaino campaign existed, it would have made sense to ban me, IMO. I feel like I have been treated completely fairly, so....
 
DieselMDX said:
lol any thread on zaino is normally locked
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Complete BS . . . those threads are closed only when the participants get out of hand. We've never locked a thread about Zaino simply because it was about Zaino.



Tort

(moderator)
 
When someone works on a high end car they aren't going to use a OTC product in the original packaging. They are going to match the product to the car. In this case Zaino has established a reputation as one of the best product lines over many years. Using the best products are in the best interest of the detailer and the client. It really is common sense, why should anyone pay good money for a detailer who uses a product off the shelf at WalMart.
 
TH0001 said:
Do I feel it gives me more crediablity, yes... Do I think its deserved, not really. I agree that most expensive cars are far easier to maintain, improve, work on then a minivan. I think you completely missed the point of my post.



The point is that my work showcases Zaino, hell I have Zaino in my avatar, and I have never felt mis treated.



The fact that I apply and tie Zaino to high end cars is more benefical from a marketing stand point then somebody tieing it to a minivan. Its better marketing for the compaines whose product I use.



Personally, I feel your post was out of line, as I try to comment on peoples threads about the work they do, not on the cars they do it on (unless its just a way cool car). I judge myself and others by the work, not the canvas, so to speak.



All I'm saying is that if this huge anti Zaino campaign existed, it would have made sense to ban me, IMO. I feel like I have been treated completely fairly, so....
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I agree, and I use Zaino amoung other things, but I don't feel that working on an expensive car changes anything.



Less a minivan to compare, but say this - American cars...

'04 Vette with the usual neglect VS a mustang from the 60s with oxidized paint.



I have much more respect for the detailer than can get results fine from that mustang than I can the guy who details a new Vette with minor neglect. I just felt it showed inexperience, or neglecting recognize that kind of work, it's much more intensive.

They deserve props, not people who say, "I work on expensive cars". I do too, but if that's all you work on, you'll get really spoiled, really fast - and forget how to really get some serious changes made. Us detailers are famous for restoration! :usa



Oh, I didn't miss the point of your post, and I know I didn't clarify on that. I'm not discussing product usage. I apologize, but I felt it was just a little thing worth noting.



Deanski said:
Alright, as I said there are strong opinions and that's fine. Let's not get into a whole debate on why or which topic/product etc gets banned at which forum.



Moving right along, let's hope that Detailersclub gets the site back up.



Once again, have a happy holiday.



Deanski
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It's like politics, once you get to the point of being irritated by others' stubborn persistence to try to offend you without even having the slightest clue to even try to convey their opinion in a civilized manner.

Once this happens, the politicians have won.



I guess I'm a bit less restrained when it comes to product use than most of these people, because they seem to be becoming genuinely bad about it. They're detail products guys, don't get yourselves in a fury.



I'm actually disappointed in how arrogant people can be, I guess that's why you're moderator.

Good call. :) Thanks for the support!
 
I agree 100% with David F on AG's Forums. I mentioned a vac that Lowes carried at a good price and was "reminded" that AG sells vac's. So I try to push the limit over there every chance I get - nothing too radical, just whinning that since the sell 3M, they need to update and sell the new 3000 line. I - and this is just me, my lowly opinion so relax your splincters ok, I think that AG products -XMT, Wolfgang, etc are overpriced and underpowered, based on my own experience with them. I drank the koolaid and read with intense trust all the hype, and came away thinking wow - there's got to be better stuff - and there is. I have learned a lot from Autopia, I would never have know had I not found this site.
 
charlesaferg said:
I agree, and I use Zaino amoung other things, but I don't feel that working on an expensive car changes anything.



Less a minivan to compare, but say this - American cars...

'04 Vette with the usual neglect VS a mustang from the 60s with oxidized paint.



I have much more respect for the detailer than can get results fine from that mustang than I can the guy who details a new Vette with minor neglect. I just felt it showed inexperience, or neglecting recognize that kind of work, it's much more intensive.

They deserve props, not people who say, "I work on expensive cars". I do too, but if that's all you work on, you'll get really spoiled, really fast - and forget how to really get some serious changes made. Us detailers are famous for restoration! :usa



Oh, I didn't miss the point of your post, and I know I didn't clarify on that. I'm not discussing product usage. I apologize, but I felt it was just a little thing worth noting.
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Its cool, I don't want people thinking that I am going around saying I'm better than anybody because of the clients I work on. Far from it, but if there was an online battle and over aggresive censorship going on, I would be a logical target for attack because I do use Zaino on high end cars and the PERCEPTION that goes with it.



Paint is paint and a car is a car, as far as I'm concerned..
 
Hey Charles (I'll try to get back on task of the original thread question!).....



Yeah, I've been in DC withdrawl for over a week now, and it's not getting any better.



Thanks for the updates.



Any late-breaking news? :)



Thanks................................Bill..................
 
There was a post at some forum that said they were doing some changes (like updating sw) and had a major crash plus one key guy was on vacation so it could not be quickly fixed. They said they were coming back....
 
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