Check this out, the end of detailing?

Well, I only see the "end of detailing" coming when they finally introduce some type of super scratch-resistant plastic which has the "paint" right in it.



However, what will all the car manufacturers do about losing the big business that is selling OEM parts for cars? You won't see more durable materials coming out for a while...
 
It will not cause the end of detailing. Even if its good and works as advertised, the paint is only one part of detailing. The motor, interior, wheels, and wheel wells have to be cleaned and dressed. Even if this stuff will hide scratches, you would have to clean the paint first. I dont care how easy it is , most people who get there cars detailer , would still get there cars detailed. Around here you can get a outside express wax for $40.00, and on most cars it looks great . But most people want the full detail so they can get the interior, motor and etc done.
 
Yeah Jesstzn (also on Autopia I believe) asked for a sample and no, nothing doing. He just keeps putting up pics that look like you get an instant coat of orange peel.





And just in case some of you mis-understood, I never thought this was "really" the end of detailing, pure sarcasam folks. :bigups:
 
I was just sent their info pack today (not requested). They are to phone back in a couple days. I already have about 20 questions for them.



Years ago i remember a few products that worked as such. The one i tried streaked like crazy.



I did a web search today and found one detailer in PEI CAN raving about it. Later on in my search his business is for sale. I checked out his website, nice site, but some of the prices he is charging are way to low. peidetail.ca i think.



It seems to be in the US to.



Overall i found about three different, relabelled sites about the product.



I will be asking to buy a sample. $30 a pop after the buy in price is what the info pack stated.
 
I chatted with this fellow at the SEMA show. It sounded a little fishy so I started asking questions. He did admit that you would have to polish the vehicle and then apply the product. It does fill in and supposedly gives you a rejuvenated clear coat. I didn't get offered a sample but did take some literature. Not something I'm interested in investing I think. I too remember that other coating system that was advertised a few years ago. Between these guys and Glare we'll all be out of work!
 
Well this what I've found out so far. Not sure if this is the total truth, just going on the phone call i received.



It is basically a hand applied clear coat, which fills in swirls in the clear. (scratches?)

He says that you apply a sealant after a couple hours and it is polishable after 2 weeks cure.



If it works it might be an add on service. Add clear instead of remove it.



I have greatest interest in boat gelcoats. If it would bring back to life, that would do it for me.



Anyway he is to come do a demo next week, so i will know more then.



Later Mark.
 
The first picture is what ruined it for me. It says car door after being scratched by a key (caravan), then after usage of the product everything is all better. IMO, if you take a green car that has key marks down to the paint, adding clear'kote' shouldn't get rid of that, no?
 
Well...Had a demo today of this product, I helped him out with it...we put about 2 hours of prep work into if before actually applying the X-Cote...There were some heavy scratches we wetsanded then buffed out with Meguire's #2, fine scratch remover...there were some bird dropping stains on the roof that we wetsanded/cut as well.. The car was a black Nissan Sentra. After we polished the sanding marks out we washed it, degreased it, rolled it into a paint booth and applied the X-kote..Took about 30 minutes to apply BY HAND, then let it dry for about 2 hours. Rolled it back outta the paint booth, put on a coat of Klasse Sealant Glaze.



The car, minus rock chips, small dents, down-to-the-metal scratches, looks pretty brand new. Absolutely NO swirls and extremely wet looking.



We brought it to the doubtful autobody manager, who has been in the autobody biz for about 29 years and he was pretty impressed. I think the said autobody does about a $4 million dollars of business a year...so it's not to say he hasn't been around to see crappy products, but this one is truly amazing.



Go ahead and doubt it all you want, the end results are pretty outstanding. Now go cut polish and wetsand away for 16 hours to get results somewhere close to this.



Yes I work at a dealership that sells used cars, and yes we plan on using it for that purpose. To do a job that takes 16 hours versus a job that takes 3 hours and gives you similar end (if not better) it only makes sense and ends up costing about the same, HOWEVER you don't need a pro that knows how to use a radial polisher properly, and there's no such thing as burning the paint with X-Kote.
 
Invigor said:
Yes I work at a dealership that sells used cars, and yes we plan on using it for that purpose. To do a job that takes 16 hours versus a job that takes 3 hours and gives you similar end (if not better) it only makes sense and ends up costing about the same, HOWEVER you don't need a pro that knows how to use a radial polisher properly, and there's no such thing as burning the paint with X-Kote.
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Hmm...you say you have to prepare the car before application with wetsanding or buffing. With the knowledge most dealership detailers have...by the time they get to the application of the X-Kote there wont be any clear coat haha. Im sorry but this is just a bunch of bologna, just another way for dealerships to be crooks. And what the heck is a radial polisher? I'll stick to doing things myself rather than let someone else hack away and ruin my finish just to put money in their pocket.
 
anyone remember color cote 2000. they had a dumptruck poor a load of dirt and gravel on the car then used this crap and made the car look brand new:D :D
 
If their product worked as good as they state, they would have an online store on the site and international delivery. Limiting the product to authorised detailers and dealerships means they want to milk all the money they can from it.



Hey I would love to find a product that is a liquid based permanet clearcoat that you apply and leave to dry after doing the paint rectification. Sadly after days of searching the globe, this doesn't exist yet(except for the temporary ones for interstate driving)



One day maybe.

Can't put clear coat over scratched paint and expect it to be markless.
 
Sheesh, any wax, sealant, glaze, etc can also be called a "hand-applied clear-coat". Just cuz it coats the car and is clear doesn't mean it can do anything more than Turtle Wax, especially with a couple hours of prep, as Invigor stated above. It says nothing about durability or much of anything else. Anyone notice this demo report is his first post?



I wonder if the authorized dealers for this stuff also carry Epiphany, the wax with 23K gold flake? (for those who read that thread)
 
Joshua312 said:
Hmm...you say you have to prepare the car before application with wetsanding or buffing. With the knowledge most dealership detailers have...by the time they get to the application of the X-Kote there wont be any clear coat haha. Im sorry but this is just a bunch of bologna, just another way for dealerships to be crooks. And what the heck is a radial polisher? I'll stick to doing things myself rather than let someone else hack away and ruin my finish just to put money in their pocket.
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Well, the prep included washing the car, drying the car, blowing out the water around mirrors, door handles, lights, seams, etc. then deciding we should wetsand a few spots (a few spots of bird poop on the roof and hood to be more exact) Since we had to buff out the wetsand marks we have to re-wash the car, dry the car, blow out the water. The car's relatively clean now HOWEVER we have to degrease the whole car (of course with a degreaser that doesn't leave residue) then tape up all the plastic/rubber parts close to painted surfaces (around the doors, headlights, tailights, windshield, rear window. So I'm not saying the prep work was polishing the car for 2 hours.



As for radial, I meant rotary...not sure what I was thinkin...



And as for the purpose of it..basically it gives great results for the amount of time that's needed to apply it. You got it, time is money. I don't think it belongs in the hands of enthusiasts, because they don't mind spending 10 hours polishing their car most times...It's a fantastic tool for car dealers IMO. I don't think x-kote was invented to impress enthusiasts...
 
Used car dealers will love it, it will make junks look like new. Ive seen a similar produst like this for use on hard wood floors. It sounds like a clear polymer similar to floor wax. If you can get it on without lap marks it should be great for bad swirled up cars. I can see that the car would have to be cleaned or buffed first, the paint would have to be very clean. You wouldnt have to worry about swirl marks since the x-kote would fill they in. Buff it with compound, wash it , blow out mouldings, apply X-KOTE and your done. Full detail $175.00 to $225.00, add another $75.00 to $100.00 for X-Kote. More money less time.
 
Good day gentlemen and ladies if there are any in here. I am "Jeramiah" the starter of that Vortex thread about X-Kote. I am the distributor for the X-Kote product in my province of Saskatchewan. I am not here to do battle with any of you but I am here to try and answer some of your questions about the product. I will be upfront and tell you right now do not ask me what this product is made up of because I honestly do not know. It is trade secret that only the higher ups at X-Kote know.



For those of you ( Invigor and salty) that have seen the product work up close and personal voice your opinions good or bad.



I see some of you yacking about "samples" quite honeslty I and the rest of the N/A dealers/distributors have spent a good chunk of our hard earned dollars buying our territory rights and systems. I have no problem doing demo's for dealerships or detail shops in my province interested in product but that's it. I am limited to my area. For the rest of you some might be lucky and have a distributor or dealer in your province or state already. Go see them and ask for a sample, maybe they will maybe they won't.



Anyway I have some new pics I need to download soon. I did my best to replicate the pics for distance and angle. It's indoors so the light is the same this time. PLease feel free to ask questions I will do my best to answer them.





Cheers.
 
Welcome Flygti32. I think you'll find that some of the folks here won't mind paying a fair price for samples, just as Finish Kare sells their sample kit and it is recommended here often enough. It doesn't have to be free, at least for some of us, we recognize that form of promotion can get rather expensive.



Yes you'll find we are skeptics, but that is from experience with a number of other products that make claims such as yours. If something proves itself, then it is praised. Until then, it's at risk of being looked on as just another pretender to the throne. Yeah, it's a tough crowd.



For one thing, it appears your product contains fillers and virtually all fillers have rather limited durability. If the fillers are applied separately, they generally compromise durability.
 
Thank you for the welcome



I guess I need some clarification on what you guys determine a "filler" is. I have been doing allot of reading in here lately and I see allot of talk about " after a few washes customers can see the swirl marks again" I attribute this to products that contain " fillers"





Our product technically does "fill" in scratches in the clearcoat. The differences with our product compared to "filler' waxes or polishes is that our product 1) is not a polish or wax 2) it does not "wash"off. It bonds to the surface of the car creating a hard durable layer. I have yet to see a polish that creates a surface as hard as clear coat.



I do not see this product being the be all end all. It is a valuable tool for detail shops and car dealers to have. Some cars you can get away with a wash,dry,tape,degrease, and X-Kote. Others yes there is some prepolishing you can do. The reason we do this is simply to make our X-Kote job turn out that much better. With anything the amount of prep you do will determine your overlal result.
 
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