California Detailers Beware

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Anthony O.

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I have heard through the detailing grapevine that California is really cracking down on chemicals and their distributors. Companies that you order from are being fined and threatened with lawsuits if they continue to ship certain chemicals and products into California.



It seems that detailers (and many other business types) may be in big trouble as many of their favorite products may either become illegal to use or their chemical makeup will need to change.



P21S formula will have to change if they desire to continue selling in California and this will then effect all detailers across the states.



What needs to be done is vote the liberal dweebs out of office. Enviromental wacks are running.............no ruining the state:angry



Here is a link to read up some more on the topic. http://arb.ca.gov/consprod/regs/regs.htm





Anthony
 
Yes, the California Air Resources Board, CARB is regulating the amount of VOC's present in a great number of products. Waxes, polishes, vinyl dressing you name it they're regulating it. For now it's only CA but history tells us that CA sets trends. In fact, vinyl dressings have been regulated since Jan 1. No solvent dressings allowed in CA anymore. It sucks but it's a trend that looks like it will be catching on in other states too!
 
Yeah, this could mean the death of some really good products from small companies when this goes down. What a shame.
 
Wasn't this the reason why Meg's was considering pulling #16, was that it wouldn't comply with Cali standards anymore? What morons, you cant go into a parking garage without seeing a sign thatsays it can kill you.
 
Ya know I fully understand how we need to look out for the enviroment and all but this action now going on is looking more and more like a policed state. Another classic case of minority liberalism making judgements for the majority, or so it seems.



I am told that Terry from CMA was literally entrapped by this "watchdog" group. They ordered from CMA all the products that are illegal to be shipped into CA and then send him a nice letter letting him know. That to me is just plain entrapment and it sucks.



If you go to certain sites, like CMA, you will now notice that many of their products now have statements which read these products are banned in CA. Sheesh......what's next?:nixweiss



Anthony
 
Prometheus said:
Wasn't this the reason why Meg's was considering pulling #16, was that it wouldn't comply with Cali standards anymore? What morons, you cant go into a parking garage without seeing a sign thatsays it can kill you.
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Yes, that is the reason.
 
Wish a lot of companies would all agree and just say, "forget california."



You don't hear too much good coming out of cali... it's always stupid laws.
 
In voluntary compliance with the California Air Resources Board, Classic Motoring Accessories has stopped offering some products and will cease shipping others into the state of California. We are in the process of working with our suppliers to determine which products do not meet the standards set by the Air Resources Board of California.



Complying with these standards creates a dilemma for all manufacturers. Our Eimann Fabrik Clear Pearl Instant Detail Spray is a great product. It can be used in high heat and high humidity and wipes streak-free even on black cars. The California Air Resources Board has set a 3% VOC limit for automotive quick detail sprays. Clear Pearl contains more than 3% VOC’s and we have agreed not to ship Clear Pearl into California. I called a chemist friend that works for a major car care manufacturer and asked how they are complying with the new regulations. I was told that their reformulated quick detail spray does meet the California standard because it is 98% distilled water! I don’t want to do that! It’s the same for glass cleaners. The current California VOC limit is 6% and this limit goes to 4% January 1st, 2005. I can’t make a good glass cleaner at the 6% limit much less the 4% limit. I can make a glass cleaner as good as the products you buy at WalMart and Target but that’s not what enthusiasts want. They want a glass cleaner that really works. One that will cut through tough road grime and insect smear. It’s going to be tough finding a really good glass cleaner in California after January 1st.



We’re very proud of our Pinnacle Souveran Paste Wax and I know many Autopia members use this wax. Effective January 1st, 2005, Souveran will not meet the California VOC standard. We can’t just take some solvents out. Pure Carnauba is as hard as concrete. It requires a certain amount of solvent to make it spreadable. If we reduce the solvent content in our our wax we must also reduce the carnauba content. We can do this but it will put our wax in the same category as everyone else’s paste wax. Unless we can come up with some breakthrough in the next few months, we simply will not be able to sell Souveran Paste Wax in California after January 1st.



I’m not anti-VOC limits. In fact, I’ll do everything I can to comply with the California standards. It’s the law. I merely wish to point out that some products may not be available in California in the near future and those products that are available may not work as well as they have in the past.

Terry Freiberg

President

Classic Motoring Accessories
 
Redcar GUY said:
This thread sux!



It starts there and works its way east :(
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and the to the midwest :( . Guess I will have to order pruducts by the case before the 1st,especially Pinnaccle souvaran as that is my favorite wax :rolleyes:
 
I hope it doesn't work its way up to Canada! but I think Meguiars #16 has been discontinued in Canada already...hmmm
 
Yes god forbid that we look out for the environment
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I don't think its a criticism for pro-environment regulation but once again trying to make blanket legislation work. I'm sure glad that spray wax isn't destroying the environment now since it's 98% water now. I'm now going to be a 'criminal' for using products that are not in compliance with VOC regulation in California. However, my neighbor who is dumping fecal matter into the drinking water system here and the other who has leaking oil and other chemicals from several acres of junkyard into the same water is alright. I contact the county and everyone but guess what, they don't want to do anything about it because its too much work. But hey, thank God my spray wax is now eco-friendly.
 
Is Megs #16 going to be impossible to get soon?

I am hoping to get some soon. I am trying to hold off as long as I can(will be my late fall wax in prep for winter). I have noticed that Megs site does not advertise it.



What I am trying to say is should I order sooner than later my supply of Megs #16?



I am a "lurker" on this board and find it to be very organized and civil. I apologize if this topic has been addressed previously.



Regards,

MM
 
From what I understand there was talk about reformulating #16 to conform to the VOC regulations but nothing regarding it being discontinued.
 
Terry,



Great post and very informative, as usual:D



DetailGirl,



I love the enviroment but how is Clear Pearl Detail Spray destroying it? I have given up my gas mower for an electric one. I have traded in my gas edger for an electric model and I have also canned my gas leaf blower in favor of an electric jobber BUT for professional detailers, who almost always worry about the bottom line, we will now have to pay perhaps twice as much for a inferior product and that really chaps my bum:angry so while we care about the earth could this not be overkill on CA's part?



I am sure that in the next few days CMA, Detail City, TOL, Autopia and the other popular detail supply houses will be getting large orders from detailers (at least those who are aware of this), both pro and amateur, so that they can stock up on their favorite "soon to be illegal" supplies. Reminds me of the time in history when liquor was illegal and you had "rum runners"......are we now going to have "carnauba runners":D running tubs of P21S and Souveran over state lines:nixweiss



Anthony
 
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