California Detailers Beware

[rstype]

To me, it's less of an environment thing and more of a personal health issue. The VOCs in APCs, tire shines, and cleaner waxes may cause long-term health conditions for those who are exposed to it frequently. I got a headache after using Glanz Wax. It doesn't take a MD to think up the connection.



Oh well, I'll leave it up to Edwin to declare that "true Autopians" will [fill in blank]...



Good night,



BW

 

[david328ci]

Is there a list of the products that are going to be banned?

 

[Anthony O.]

Is there a list of the products that are going to be banned?

Take a tour through the CMA website and you should see on the product description if it is banned.



Anthony

 

[ncal]

To me, it's less of an environment thing and more of a personal health issue. The VOCs in APCs, tire shines, and cleaner waxes may cause long-term health conditions for those who are exposed to it frequently. I got a headache after using Glanz Wax. It doesn't take a MD to think up the connection.

I agree that safety of the user is a priority but I'd like to know how dangerous using EF quick detail is compared to the chemical cocktails found in everyday household cleaners. I don't know the specifics at all about these things but I somehow doubt that Souveran is going to leave long term damage. If there is a substatial health argument, I'm all for protecting the user. But the environmental stance is ridiculous compared to what goes on in this state. Leave it to a state that requires engineered plans and building permits for car ports...

 

[Hawker800]

It's the "Girly men."

 

[Jcrawford]

I was told that their reformulated quick detail spray does meet the California standard because it is 98% distilled water!

So you pay premo price for nothing more than distilled water and a few drops of "stuff" in it for a detail spray. if nothing else the prices will escalate for having to comply with new regulations.

Yes god forbid that we look out for the environment.

grr...i don't believe any freakin' panda bears or bald eagles or 50 million acres of amazon rainforest will die due to a few sprays or a few hundred or a few thousand sprays of clear pearl or layers of souveran. :angry



isn't davidb based in cali? how's this gonna affect the autopia store?

 

[tcfool]

Ya know I fully understand how we need to look out for the enviroment and all but this action now going on is looking more and more like a policed state. Another classic case of minority liberalism making judgements for the majority, or so it seems.

Anthony

Dude I am with you on this all the way ..... Up hear in the Vancouver-Portland area we have the enviro-wackos fighting to stop the minor dredging of the Columbia River so the larger ships can't enter the large and NW Region ports.



The deadly claim is that alleged contaminates and sediments would hurt the river... Unbelievable, if anyone of you have seen the Columbia River in this region then you understand what I am saying... Lets destroy and entire region for a little dirt and a few alleged contaminants.



Sorry just got a high and mighty burst of energy....



TC

:shocked

 

[imported_memnuts]

Yes god forbid that we look out for the environment.

Ditto.

I tried to stay out of this discussion because of the powers-that-be again have missed the target on the "true" polluters and targeted a small minority of users of chemicals that ARE detrimental to the environment. Nevertheless BW requested my input.



Short term enjoyment and pleasure today at the price to the future generation's environment is not nearly worth the loss of a few products that can not adapt to stricter environmental preservation laws. If VOC's are the components that allows some products to produce their wonderful shine and userability, well their time has come and gone. For those who are over 50 will remember the doomsday picture painted by all the automotive community about engine durability and performance when unleaded fuel became the law of the land. Automakers were forced into a similiar corner and have developed even more durable and powerful environmentally friendlier engines that we benefit from today. The car care community should and will be no less diligent in leaping this new hurdle.

Goods companies will adapt and move on. Others will fall by the wayside. This period of adaptation may be rough and expensive but over time better and environment friendlier products will emerge.



Shiny car, glossy wheels and a glass cleaners that requires more elbow grease to produce equivalent results verses a cleaner environment. This is a no brainer.

Lets look beyond your garages and detailing business. Energy companies adapted and maintained their bottomlines ( the majority of the price of fuels is still taxes excluding supply interruptions secondary to political and economic situations), we still have affordable fuels in this country ( excluding California ). The newer environmental friendly detailing products will cost more like gasoline, but customers will accept the price increases necessary to maintain the bottomline that detailers must add to his charges in order to continue to receive the level of work you produce. Do not under-estimate the skill that you possess and do not over-estimate the products you use.



Yes, we can have shiny cars and clean air for our children and grandchildren at the same time.

A wonderful book written in 1962 by Rachel Carson, "Silent Spring" is very informative reading about our effects on this planet Earth.

Paraphrasing the line from An Officer and A Gentleman, "We have no other place (Earth) to go".

JMHO. :wavey

 

[Harkonen]

It's the "Girly men."

LOL!



Spare me the environmental rhetoric... California is way out of wack, and the rest of the country is headed that way.



Welcome to the People's Republic of Kalifornia.

 

[ncal]

I still believe this is blanket legislation that targets major industry and in the process has created problems for detailers. To go after CMA for instance for shipping some products that are detrimental is ridiculous by watch dog groups. The point I think that a lot of people feel is that why go after the sardines when the whales are left untouched out here. I drive a compact car, I recycle, I try not to waste energy, etc. but how many people do that? But atleast they don't use crystal mist detailing spray , phew. I find that this state is very good at missing the target and tends to crack down on the small businesses and individuals, who are trying to follow all the regulations. However, there are so many people and companies that don't... maybe the state should focus on enforcement before drafting more legislation. If some of our detailing products like APC are detrimental, let's reformulate or find something else , I agree. But does Souveran with its solvents? Probably not, but its collateral damage. I'll keep watching for those birds though, if west nile doesn't get them first here : )



Edit: Harkonen is so right regarding California being out of wack. Living here is definately like being in another world.

 

[imported_memnuts]

LOL!



Spare me the environmental rhetoric... California is way out of wack, and the rest of the country is headed that way.



Welcome to the People's Republic of Kalifornia.

Your best weapon is called a vote.



What is the "People's Republic of Kalifornia"?

Last time I checked California is still having free public elections with offices filled by elected individuals.



I wish that law makers were as concern with the state of health care availability and liability as much as they are concerned with the minor polluting effects of car care products :nixweiss

 

[Anthony O.]

blkZ28,



Great post, very well put. I am all for protecting the enviroment but I do believe groups, like the Sierra Club, are blowing things way out of proportion and many "watch dog" groups are using bad science to sway people in their favor.



Look at what's happening to the forests and the fires due to restrictions on logging. Here in Texas the Sierra Club made a big stink over a salamander........I love wildlife and also enjoy it but if it is between me, my family and livelihood and a salamander, well goodbye Mr. Salamander!



People in California do need to wake up and get the liberal "all is relative" wacks out of office and Z28 is right folks, CA is still run by elected officials so get out and vote because it is getting ridiculous.



ncal brings up a great point also which is STOP making new laws and enforce the ones already on the books!



I do look forward to chemists making new products and such.......I mean don't we all look forward to new products with the glee and excitement of a 5 year old on Christmas Day?:bounce .....but if all these products can be is mainly distilled water and baking soda (perhaps the only SAFE ingredient now allowed) I will then become my own chemist



Anthony

 

[imported_memnuts]

Anthony thank you very much. :bow



Yes, extreme groups can be quite detrimental to worthy causes and yes there is a lot of "false" science being used by both sides. As you stated, if this is the ignition for detailing companies to make even better product (humans by nature are into advancement and accepting challenges) that are both environmentally friendly and great for car-crazy people like ourselves - All is good.



Anthony thanks for posting this great thread concerning the Love and Maintenence of the Automoble. :xyxthumbs

 

[imported_DetailGirl1]

Very nice post sir!

Ditto.

I tried to stay out of this discussion because of the powers-that-be again have missed the target on the "true" polluters and targeted a small minority of users of chemicals that ARE detrimental to the environment. Nevertheless BW requested my input.



Short term enjoyment and pleasure today at the price to the future generation's environment is not nearly worth the loss of a few products that can not adapt to stricter environmental preservation laws. If VOC's are the components that allows some products to produce their wonderful shine and userability, well their time has come and gone. For those who are over 50 will remember the doomsday picture painted by all the automotive community about engine durability and performance when unleaded fuel became the law of the land. Automakers were forced into a similiar corner and have developed even more durable and powerful environmentally friendlier engines that we benefit from today. The car care community should and will be no less diligent in leaping this new hurdle.

Goods companies will adapt and move on. Others will fall by the wayside. This period of adaptation may be rough and expensive but over time better and environemtal friendlier products will emerge.



Shiny car, glossy wheels and a glass cleaners that requires more elbow grease to produce equivalent results verses a cleaner environment. This is a no brainer.

Lets look beyond your garages and detailing business. Energy companies adapted and maintained their bottomlines ( the majority of the price of fuels is still taxes excluding supply interruptions secondary to political and economic situations), we still have affordable fuels in this country ( excluding California ). The newer environmental friendly detailing products will cost more like gasoline, but customers will accept the price increases necessary to maintain the bottomline that detailers must add to his charges in order to continue to receive the level of work you produce. Do not under-estimate the skill that you possess and do not over-estimate the products you use.



Yes, we can have shiny cars and clean air for our children and grandchildren at the same time.

A wonderful book written in 1962 by Rachel Carson, "Silent Spring" is very informative reading about our effects on this planet Earth.

Paraphrasing the line from An Officer and A Gentleman, "We have no other place (Earth) to go".

JMHO. :wavey

 

[ncal]

What is the "People's Republic of Kalifornia"?

Last time I checked California is still having free public elections with offices filled by elected individuals

It isn't that its not a democracy but the fact that the state senate, which we voted for is ridiculously unbalanced and tries to pass inane laws. I invite anyone who believes that this state is no different than any other to live here for a couple of years and you'll see what I mean : ) On a personal note, I'm one of those icky moderates and I live in an extremely liberal county. I know a few people who are Republicans here and they receive such harassment for their political affiliation that they are apologetic for it. I met one guy in my area that has been given the California wave and road raged against multiple occasions because he has a Bush-Cheney 04 sticker on his car.



Anyways, I think this is diverging from the overall theme of this thread. Nothing wrong for eco-friendly products, but blanket legislature is always a joke.

 

[imported_memnuts]

Very nice post sir!

Thank you DetailGirl but please do not call me Sir. I work for a living (old Army joke).

:wavey

 

[Toyo98]

Very nice post sir

Originally posted by blkZ28Conv

Thank you DetailGirl but please do not call me Sir. I work for a living (old Army joke).

:wavey

LOL. sorry can't help it.

 

[Spilchy]

Nicely put blkZ28Conv :up



It's nice to here your logic in a thread full of hackneyed, Sean Hannity pumpkin headed remarks. People make remarks about things (impact on the environment) they don't know anything about.



Truth is, these products when used by all of us in total, over time, do raise the level of pollutants in our communities.



What's awesome about our country is our ability to adapt and innovate. Companies, like Meguiar's will work to develop prodcuts that will both serve to enhance our cars and protect the envirnonment. It'll be a bumpy road ahead, but that's the nature of the beast.



I hear everyone's frustrations and I'm no fan of more government bureaucracy or the "tyranny of the minority", but like the era of lead paint, asbestos, DDT and other banned chemicals; VOC's are facing judgement day.



In the end, it'll work out and we'll have new products and a cleaner environment.



Now... if "they" take away my "right" to wash MY car, then we'll have a real problem Why those little tree huggers

 

[Harkonen]

Your best weapon is called a vote.



What is the "People's Republic of Kalifornia"?

Last time I checked California is still having free public elections with offices filled by elected individuals.

:nixweiss

I use my 'weapon' at every opportunity. In California, I am in the minority, and thus I usually cast my vote on the losing side.



Though we have free elections, we have many regulations passed by our legislative 'girly men' based on satisfying special interest groups (this happens on both sides of the aisle... it just happens that in CA we are almost exclusively on one side of that aisle). As a result, we live with many restrictions that the rest of the country does not, most of which are based on incomplete or non-existant science.



Hence, everything from car care products to vitamins is restricted here, and not elsewhere.



FYI... I don't listen to Hannity, or talk radio in general. Nor do I see more than the occasional Fox News telecast. One can disagree with the left and do so on merit.



Give me Souveran, or give me death!

 

[Anthony O.]

If VOC's are the problem one must then ask what do we do with the "new car smell" which is caused by VOC's ?



Anthony