Best protecting sealnts available?
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Accumulator
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lostdaytomorrow said:
Absolutely right :xyxthumbs
That said, I've *never* had birdbombs or anything else etch my paint through heavily layered KSG or (also layered, but not as heavily) FK1000P. I don't even bother cleaning them off vehicles with those LSPs; I'll leave 'em on for days or even *weeks* at at time with no issues. Yeah, I know...:nono:....
but I still do it and so far I've gotten away with it with those two LSPs.
Dan
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Fresh Carnauba (<2 weeks old) has been the only clear winner for me as far as bug/bird etching goes. Zaino has been unusually bad for me, probably a 50% chance of etching if left longer than 24 hours. Everything else has been hit or miss.
SpoolinNoMore
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They've all pretty much been covered but I'll just double-chime in with the 1000p, z-2 (although have heard of many claims with water etching problems with this), and opti seal. I haven't had much experience (thankfully) with bird etchings on Poxy since I've had it on my vehicle :knock on wood:
imported_RedlineIRL
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Scottwax said:
I don't relly hear many speak about the DP products, but does it compare at all to the DG 105 and FK1000P? Is it fairly slick and hydrophobic? What kind of durability have you seen with it, and with how many layers (assuming they were applied close to the same time as initial application)? I am interested in it
lostdaytomorrow said:
About an once for a 24oz spray bottle
umi000 said:
Hmm, so 105 is polymer based?
The DG105 has me confused, since it is mentioned as being a polish. To me it sounds more of a pre cleaner than a true sealant. Is this stuff abrasive at all? Also, does the DG 601 really make any difference at all in durability increase?
If I wanted to go with with the DG105, does this sound like a good route to go for a vehicle that does not need machine polishing?
DG 111
DG 601
DG 105
So, as far as non permananet type coatings, is it safe to say that DG105, FK1000P, or even (DP Polcoat?) is above everything available? I need to get something before the weekend, and just wanted to be sure to get the best the first time. I know I am asking a lot, but I have wasted too much before on products claiming to be durable and end up not coming close to their claimed results
RedlineIRL said:
DG105 is a synthetic sealant with light cleaning ability that has a very good reputation for durability at a reasonable price. 601 in my experience does add some durability, but you don't have to use it every time. DG111 is a pure sealant with no cleaning ability so you would apply in this order:
apply 601 Do not buff off
apply 105 buff off after dry
wait 12 hours
apply 111 and buff off when dry
I find that a coat of 105 with occasional Aquawax applications last me 4-5 months.
There are allot of good sealants out there. Don't fret about it -- pick one and go.
Kotsios
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111 does have cleaning ability according to Jerry at duragloss, but is mild then 101 has next higher cleaning ability, and then 105 has the most cleaning ability.
Kean
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I guess I'll throw my hat in the ring and say FK1000P might be your ticket considering the desired characteristics you mentioned. I will say that (at least in my experience) that I noticed a difference in the product's performance with a second coat (which I will usually apply several days after the first). IMO, it sheds contaminants markedly better than other sealants I have tried and for a longer period of time. I also notice that the slickness of the finish holds up for quite a while.
The one thing I don't like about 1000P is the fact that it can collect in crevices and along edges leaving a classic, white residue during application. It can also be a pain to remove if applied too thick (although I found a spritz of FK425 helps break it loose when this happens to me). This is an undesirable trait in a wax/sealant for me and one I try to avoid (I prefer non-staining products that apply/remove easily). However, its other characteristics are good enough to make me look past that one drawback.
I used it on my wife's Forester (our DD) before I switched to Opti-Coat for that application. ....I still use it on some wheels, exhaust tips, and other places I want to make cleaning these bits easier.
The one thing I don't like about 1000P is the fact that it can collect in crevices and along edges leaving a classic, white residue during application. It can also be a pain to remove if applied too thick (although I found a spritz of FK425 helps break it loose when this happens to me). This is an undesirable trait in a wax/sealant for me and one I try to avoid (I prefer non-staining products that apply/remove easily). However, its other characteristics are good enough to make me look past that one drawback.
I used it on my wife's Forester (our DD) before I switched to Opti-Coat for that application. ....I still use it on some wheels, exhaust tips, and other places I want to make cleaning these bits easier.
imported_RedlineIRL
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Since 105 does have a cleaning ability to it, does it use any kind abrasives at all or anything that can microscratch the surface?
tom p.
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RedlineIRL said:
RL, I've got the DP policoat on one of my cars now and it's a thoroughly modern sealant. I think I'm at 4 months right now, certainly still working but the beading is growing weaker. I intentionally did just a single coat (except for the hood, which got a re-coat weeks later) to gage its durability. The Policoat is close to a wipe on/wipe off product. It's super-easy to use, just about anyone could work with it assuming they're starting with a clean (clayed?) surface. The product claims to have self-bonding abilities precluding the use of the other "base" products (KAIO, Prime, etc.) we might use.
The things that really stand out are its anti-static characteristics, the best I've seen. The gloss is very nice and Scott suggests it has excellent resistance to soaps. I supposed it will be good for 6 months. I've had no etching at all from any bird bombs. It always looks superb following a wash. I do notice some minimal bonding of contaminants on the lower areas of the car. Horizontal surfaces are still very smooth, but slickness went away some time ago....as I would expect with just about anything else.
My preferred sealant still remains 2 coats of FK1000p. I've had exceptional results with it, but it's still kind of "old school" in terms of handling. It's far more effort than the DP product.
I'll need to get my car ready for winter soon. I'll probably attack it over T'giving weekend when I have plenty of time for the KAIO - FK1000p-FK1000p routine.
There certainly are a lot of choices, and I have yet to try any of the "permanent" sealants. They obviously have a lot of appeal, but I can't make any comparisons now. I'd love to find something for my wife's car that lasted a couple years. That would be perfect.
imported_RedlineIRL
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Thanks Tom, sounds like you have had good luck with the DP Polycoat. I been reading up on a lot of different products, and it seems people have had really good durability with the DP or other had disappointing results. Maybe it just has to do with the prep?
Alright folks, I have decided just to get a few different products and try them all over time and test on other vehicles as I go along. Hopefully these will impress me more than the many LSP that I have set aside. Here's what I am going with
DG 601
DG 105
FK1000P
Since all of these are synthetic based, is there a non abrasive paint cleaner that you all can reccomend using prior to applying any of these? I want to get rid of hte 845 first, and have everything cleaned to prior to application
Alright folks, I have decided just to get a few different products and try them all over time and test on other vehicles as I go along. Hopefully these will impress me more than the many LSP that I have set aside. Here's what I am going with
DG 601
DG 105
FK1000P
Since all of these are synthetic based, is there a non abrasive paint cleaner that you all can reccomend using prior to applying any of these? I want to get rid of hte 845 first, and have everything cleaned to prior to application
Accumulator
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RedlineIRL said:
I usually precede FK1000P with KAIO.
RedlineIRL said:
Haven't used DG105 but I have use the extremely similar Zaino Z5, never used FK1000P. DP Poli-Coat has to me a more carnauba look than Z5 does, similarly wet and glossy. I don't bother with layering, I think it is incredibly over-hyped. I apply with a finishing pad over the whole car and then remove. On a customer's Lexus ES350 and his RX350, it holds up extremely well...and he has it washed 3-5 times a week depending on the weather. Either at the dealer or a touchless high pressure tunnel wash. He says it has held up to his wash regiment better than anything else I have used on his cars.
imported_RedlineIRL
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Scottwax said:
I have heard of a few others say that DG105 is similar to Z2 and Z5, but what make them similar? Is it that DG105 is also polymer based? I hope it's environmental protection isn't smiliar to Z5, becuase I wasn't impressed with it
umi000
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RedlineIRL said:
Hehehe... some old threads, for your perusal:
Duragloss FC & Zaino Z6 - Same Product?
Interesting comparison between Duragloss 101 and Zaino AIO
DuraGloss & Zaino
Zaino equivalents in Duragloss lineup?
pwaug said:
What's the waiting 12 hours for? Would you do that any time you top one layer of protection with another?
If you replaced the DG111 with FK1000P would you still wait the 12 hours in between?
I'm currently using Duragloss products, but am thinking when I run out of the DG111, I'm switching to the FK1000P.