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Alfisti said:
That's good. I'm currently doing a cleansing diet and really don't need the extra fibre. :chuckle:



Actually, the formulation is on the website. ZYMOL VINTAGE GLAZE 22 oz - Zymol Worldwide



You do the maths. Cheap, cheap, and cheap. ;)
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It is hard to do the math without the other numbers for the other ingredients. Besides you are preaching to the choir. I have stated many times that you are paying for their name, the ingredients and the process. Contact Zymol HQ to find out what specifically makes their waxes justifiable to the costs and see what answer you get. I am sure most of it will be similar to what was said here. The real justification must be in the end result. ;)



Also we cannot downplay the quality of the ingredients being used. A hamburger made from ground fillet is going to be better than a hamburger from ground rib-eye even though it is from the same cow. The same could be said about the ingredients within the waxes. If Zymol holds true to their marketing then the carnauba ingredients they use are of a rare and higher quality than others.
 
Zymol makes some great products.. they charage what they charge becasue they can... its supply and demand. they can charge the money and people will pay it. Heck i know Ihave odred a few waxes from them. I have supported it...



They are not the only compnay in the world that charges more becasue people want something....
 
howareb said:
It is hard to do the math without the other numbers for the other ingredients...
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I don't mean to appear argumentitive, but, it seems to me that they've posted the complete ingredient list. Is there something on their site that implies otherwise? :nixweiss



howareb said:
I have stated many times that you are paying for their name, the ingredients and the process.
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I would suggest that you are paying for the name, the name, and marketing. The ingredients are cheap. Not sure what you mean by process. :o



howareb said:
Contact Zymol HQ to find out what specifically makes their waxes justifiable to the costs and see what answer you get. I am sure most of it will be similar to what was said here.
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I'm sure I will. I'm currently in sales and marketing. I live in a world of spin and manipulation. That's what marketing is. The bigger the price, the bigger the lie that needs to be told. Same goes with Zymol. Best wax? Probably! Best results? Probably. Not arguing that. Does their explanation for the astranomical price premium hold water? Not under close scrutiny. :cooleek:



howareb said:
The real justification must be in the end result. ;)
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I would rather say, "the real explantion"....I can't see it as a justification. :(
 
The zymol marketing machine and their prices have been the subject of a mailbox full of debate.....heated at times. To be painfully honest, at times their prices can seem to be quite hard to understand.



However; the end result is the final answer to the price question. Some have not found zymol to have lived up to the hype, and to those people I say that's an acceptable conclusion.



To myself and a few here on this board, some of us have seen the results of a good high end wax; And speaking for myself, the end result justified the price due to the fact that the product alone (and not the result of combined lsps) produced the intensity of the result noticeably over some of the products that were compared with it. To each his/her own.
 
Alfisti said:
I don't mean to appear argumentative, but, it seems to me that they've posted the complete ingredient list. Is there something on their site that implies otherwise? :nixweiss(
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The complete ingredients list yes. As far as what the amount of each ingredient within the overall product, it is not listed. It is a trade secret.





Alfisti said:
I would suggest that you are paying for the name, the name, and marketing. The ingredients are cheap. Not sure what you mean by process. :o(
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The process, which is also a trade secret, would include how they actually mix and make the wax.



Alfisti said:
I'm sure I will. I'm currently in sales and marketing. I live in a world of spin and manipulation. That's what marketing is. The bigger the price, the bigger the lie that needs to be told. Same goes with Zymol. Best wax? Probably! Best results? Probably. Not arguing that. Does their explanation for the astronomical price premium hold water? Not under close scrutiny. :cooleek: (
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Go ahead an carry out your investigation and then let me know how you make out with it.



Alfisti said:
I would rather say, "the real explanation"....I can't see it as a justification. :(
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Your prerogative.
 
alfisti, im curious have you tried the zymol estate range?

Im not trying to be a jerk or tying to call anyone out. I am simply curisous what your experience with the product line is.



i ask becasue you contiunly bring up price, and how it is justified... i can garuntee the response you will get from zymol is "try it, then you will know"



and yeah lots is marketing, but whats not. Even lesser priced brands are about marketing and hype... look at poorboys. "what a shine for little money" (or something like that).... they are marketing to people who dont want to spend alot on wax... they have adertised and marketed in a way that sells to a diffrent group... zymol has chosen to go with the "luxery" market.



Hey may have no explinatior or justification, but if they can sell it for that why wouldnt they? because some people think they are pretenious?



I am not trying to been argumentative, im really not. At the end of the day its up to the consumer and there dollar vote. I have voted in favor of Zymol... its moviing toward swissvax but thats for other reasons....



if you agree with there prices, buy there product and vote with your dollar, if you do not agree dont buy there products and vote with your dollar.





I thikn the best way to explain the price is.. becasue they can





and sorry if i come across as ajerk, but this is how i see it.
 
I don't think you're coming across in any negative fashion. Nobody on this thread is...it's just a good discussion without the flaming. I hope I'm not coming across that way either. :wall



No, I've never tried them. That's why I stated earlier that other members experiences and feedback lead me to believe the claim the it's the worlds best wax - if a claim can be made on something so subjective. But, I tend to believe what people like you say about the results.



But, neither do I believe that I need to try them to say what I've been saying. I've already conceded that they are *probably* the worlds best waxes. Others may disagree (and may be right). I personally, from all the feedback I've read, lean towards the belief that they're at the top of the totem pole. Purely from others experiences.



My point is a conclusion based independant of results. My point is, given the cost of the ingredients list and, relatively, inexpensive production costs, $2000 for 22oz of wax is ridiculous. NO results can justify selling a $50 wax for $2000. And to add insult to injury, they claim all sorts of nonsense about exclusive, expensive ingredients from 'white' carnauba to 'zymes'! What the heck are 'zymes'? :hairpull



Will people pay for it? Sure. Plenty. However, it is sheer, shameful, astranomical profiteering. That's what I object to. Not the profit, but the degree of the profiteering.
 
Alfisti said:
I don't think you're coming across in any negative fashion. Nobody on this thread is...it's just a good discussion without the flaming. I hope I'm not coming across that way either.

I don think you are either, I agree everyone is being good thus far, however thereis always someone who comes in with guns ablazing... never fun



No, I've never tried them. That's why I stated earlier that other members experiences and feedback lead me to believe the claim the it's the worlds best wax - if a claim can be made on something so subjective. But, I tend to believe what people like you say about the results.

any wax can clain the best wax, its like how many companies clain thebest burger.. butsince everything is subjective its really a personal thing... I have tried a few waxes and like to thnk i have always been honest, I have nothing to gain from giving good reviews... and I know pople who dont like vintage, and dont like the esate line... like you said its persoal. Unforuntly there is that huge intial cost to try it... sucks but its keeps thats mystery about these waxes... great marketing if you ask me



But, neither do I believe that I need to try them to say what I've been saying. I've already conceded that they are *probably* the worlds best waxes. Others may disagree (and may be right). I personally, from all the feedback I've read, lean towards the belief that they're at the top of the totem pole. Purely from others experiences.

fair enough, I dont knw if they are the top.. i have yet to try swissvax divine (which i will soon I hope)... I do however know they are the besy I have tried

My point is a conclusion based independant of results. My point is, given the cost of the ingredients list and, relatively, inexpensive production costs, $2000 for 22oz of wax is ridiculous. NO results can justify selling a $50 wax for $2000. And to add insult to injury, they claim all sorts of nonsense about exclusive, expensive ingredients from 'white' carnauba to 'zymes'! What the heck are 'zymes'? :hairpull

I have no idea what a zyme is... maybe its something made up...you statement about the price being reidiculous is a purprly personal statment, which im sure you understand,I valued a life tie supply at wax at 2000, i had a long talk with myself and went throught he posatives and negatives... for me it was more then justifyable...i howevr could not justify royal.. which others can.. so its purly personal... and dont forget the 2g comes with refills.. so if you go through wax like I do its worth it.. I have had its 2ish months and am down to about 1/3.. so its almost time for a refill.. when i get this refull it becomes a 1g wax.... and no results can justufy a $50 wax selling for 2g? maybe not but if the market will pay for it then its justification enough for me... I am a firm belive in capitalism and a free makret, and commend companies that can make money likethis. I know it sucks paying the price but I did it anyway... i guees i look at it more form a encomoic view and how they can justify it.. others may base it on apperance alone...

Will people pay for it? Sure. Plenty. However, it is sheer, shameful, astranomical profiteering.
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profiteering.. what a wonderfull word... capitalism at its finest :D (and i mean that is the best way possible)
 
With all due respect, (aside from the obligatory paint preparation steps) I have seen substantial differences between lsp products. In the end, each user will have to justify which wax or lsp gives the results for their car. It is fair to say that there is a bit of markup in all products (not just the expensive zymols). In comparison to each product, you would want to judge each lsp by several categories: Quality of finish in terms of clarity, depth of shine, color rendition, and gloss (ranking in importance from clarity and depth to gloss).



You can also compare quantity of carnauba content, natural oils, and the amount of synthetic additives between waxes. You may also find that it could be very challenging to find out the specific composition between competing wax and lsp products; However the higher quality products tend to reveal specifically the composition of their products.



I find myself saying this often; The only way anyone will ever know if one product is actually superior in finish features as compared to its similarly priced competitors is to do a personal inspection with actual results and good digital photographs in different lighting sessions. The lsp that produces the clearest, most accurate and deepest finish, as well as having the best consistency of finish quality, is the one that justifies its price.

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There are probably more experienced professionals and enhusiasts on this board than any other detailing forum bar none. I have my own personal hands on opinion of this topic, and hope that one day a "test" can be made that will prove or disprove the abililties of a carnubu wax to improve a clear coated surface that is free of defects and contamination.



Kind of a detailers "Myth Busters".



Until then there will always be divided opinions on this topic, and I appreciate the well thought out responses from each side.



:argue
 
I appreciate your thoughts. :up



As a side note - I thought it interesting to compare Zymol Vintage ingredients with CG Pete's 53.



Vintage: ZYMOL VINTAGE GLAZE 22 oz - Zymol Worldwide



CG Pete's 53: Contains White Carnauba Wax, Montan Oil, Coconut Oil, Almond Oil, Banana Oil, Propolis (derived from Bees wax), and formulated with a liquid crystal polymer for extended longevity and durability. HOW AND WHEN TO USE PASTE WAX



I believe there's no comparison in results. :o
 
Clean Dean said:
Kind of a detailers "Myth Busters".



:argue
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I like that. However it would only prove something to us and not have a bit of influence on the people who swear by it.



I for one, think that Souveran is overpriced, nerver mind Zymol. However if you wait around for the right sale you can get it at $40.00. Does it last long, heck no, but people love the look.



A test of different waxes, as far as looks, is too subjective and it may spawn many different opinions. Wax is just one of those subjects that will always be debated with no clear cut winner.
 
Wow...



Question. How do you know that a $2,000 dollar wax costs $50? I've never seen EGZymol Vintage go that low. Even their containers are a rip off. BTW: Zymol EG's do not contain "Polymers" as a significant ingredient of the wax compound.



Two thousand dollars is ridiculous to some; But if the two thousand dollar wax produced the result and/or exceeded the expectation of said user, then that user may feel that it was worth it. You can't justify price or purchase reasons for other people; Thus the saying is appropriate "Let the buyer beware."



Mike, I sure hope this one doesn't go to 70+ pages lol!!!!!
 
lbls1 said:
Wow...



Question. How do you know that a $2,000 dollar wax costs $50? I've never seen EGZymol Vintage go that low. Even their containers are a rip off. BTW: Zymol EG's do not contain "Polymers" as a significant ingredient of the wax compound.



Two thousand dollars is ridiculous to some; But if the two thousand dollar wax produced the result and/or exceeded the expectation of said user, then that user may feel that it was worth it. You can't justify price or purchase reasons for other people; Thus the saying is appropriate "Let the buyer beware."



Mike, I sure hope this one doesn't go to 70+ pages lol!!!!!
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I need this one to go longer, the last one wasnt long enough... perhaps this one can go 70 pages andi can make a book of the two threads...
 
Yea,

maybe by that time we would've gotten up to the jag...



and hopefully I'd finally snag my friend accumulator into buying the "Wonder Ice."



hysterically lol!!!!!!!
 
Almost every time. To be fair, we have had some healthy discussions that have disclosed the excellent attributes of some of Zymol's waxes.



Zymol has its fans and critics (I was one of their critics years and many wax trials ago). The best way to see how well an EG produces is to sample and evaluate its finish by comparing it to its rivals. The results will tell the story better than any pro/con debate.



Comparison shopping does have its benefits; Aside from the Zymols, you would be very surprised in how well other products perform given similar prep methods. As good as the Zymols are, there are times that even *I* would be hard pressed in calling it the best. If its so good, then how come it is so expensive and harder to reach for some users......meandering towards another debate perhaps.



I just like observing and admiring some of the Zymol's abilities without the need of declaring it the "best." Different is a more fitting term.....
 
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