Zaino vs. Carnauba

I have used ZFX for only one coat with good results. The mixture seemed easier to spread thin and see since the ZFX tints the polish blue. It also dried very quickly. When I was done applying it to the car, it was just about ready to be buffed off.



It also omits Z1, so every few coats you don't need to even worry about Z1, streaking, applying too heavy, and longer drying. After mastering Z1 it worked well for me, but it could be tricky at first fo the first time user that doesn't know exactly how thin to go.



I noticed a difference in gloss when I used it on my silver car and on my steel grey car. The funny thing is that the gloss just seems to get better like a week and 2 weeks later, after a wash or 2 with Z7. I can't explain it, but every time I wash the car (still) the gloss seems to improve. The car has not been detailed in a month, and after last weeks wash, I can honestly say it was the best it ever looked.



Here is a comparison pic......hard to tell.....plus different lighting,etc,etc.....but take it for what it is worth...........





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Alan,



With Z5 go thin, but not super thin. Also, use a little firmer pressure when applying Z5, it will help it get down into the ridges of the swirls and scratches. :up
 
You don't need to use Z6 when you apply Z1. Honestly, I have never had any problem at all using Z1. Just go fairly thin, it is really fast and easy. You will need to let your first Z1/Z5 application dry several hours because of the low temps, as you have abundantly heard previously. Use the finger test and good light.



Definitely use a spritz of Z6 on your pad whenever you load up Z2/Z5 (one or two sprays per nickle size amount of Z2/Z5). This will help you go thin, and makes the pad slide around easier.



DK, I've just got to try that ZFX!
 
Sorry, Alan, but we can't let you in on that. It's a secret.



:cool:



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For z2 and/or Z5, use very slightly damp pad spritz with Z6. Use foam or sals cotton applicators.



Alan, you mentioned you were doing a silver car first........



Well here are some tricks for silver....



1. Use Z5 first - I always liked Z5 better on silver



2. Use Z1 every 5 coats or so



3. Dress up that chrome and black trim. REALLY makes or breaks a silver car no matter now shiny it is.



4. As always wait a day or two after zainoing to REALLY evaluate....the shine will come out!!



5. Please prep the car first using clay or at least a dawn wash.



6. Follow up with Z6 spray detailer...........



I still say go for ZFX, but it is up to you.................
 
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The distinguishing characteristic of of ZFX is its quick cure time. However, this leads to other benefits: Shorter dry time, no need for Z-1, increase in glossiness and increase in hardness (according to my local distributor).
 
Increased glossiness?? This is a catalyze. Does it really change the type of cross-linking and inherited properties of the Z2/Z5? Or is the increased glossiness just a by-product of the number of coats applied in one day? This is becoming confusing. :confused:

Is ZFX added to Z2/Z5 a different product then Z2/Z5 alone? I always thought that a catalyze sped up a reaction not change the end result of a chemical reaction. Please response because if ZFX increases the already awesome gloss of Z2/Z5 alone we are talking about a additive that is more than a catalyze. This is not a flame but an inquiry by someone who applies one coat in 24hrs with no need for multiply coats per day.

Nevertheless, if the ZFX performs multiple alteration to the Z2/Z5 polish, this benefit will be good for us single dose user. :) Please if possible clarify
 
You might not notice a difference on all colors........but it is worth trying out in my opinion. Let me clarify, in my case, what I mean by increased gloss. The first thing I noticed was an increase of sparkle in the metallic paint. It really REALLY shows now in the sun. The other thing I noticed after using ZFX, and that has been improving with each wash since then, is the clarity of the refections. Well, not so much the clarity, but the colors. The colors of objects that reflect in the car are now much more saturated and defined. Lastly at night......the car seems to gather light from even the most dimmly lit parking lot and refract it off as a GLOW....but most people that use zaino know that a zainoed car looks great at night!

Hope this helps.





Remember, ZFX is good for roughly 16 applications, and you don't need to use it every time, and no more Z1.



Call Sal for the deal if you have questions. He explains it well, but it is not hard to ration how increasing the crosslinking efficiency can lead to higher optics......
 
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<strong class='bbc'>Increased glossiness?? This is a catalyze. Does it really change the type of cross-linking and inherited properties of the Z2/Z5? Or is the increased glossiness just a by-product of the number of coats applied in one day? This is becoming confusing. :confused:
Is ZFX added to Z2/Z5 a different product then Z2/Z5 alone? I always thought that a catalyze sped up a reaction not change the end result of a chemical reaction. Please response because if ZFX increases the already awesome gloss of Z2/Z5 alone we are talking about a additive that is more than a catalyze. This is not a flame but an inquiry by someone who applies one coat in 24hrs with no need for multiply coats per day.
Nevertheless, if the ZFX performs multiple alteration to the Z2/Z5 polish, this benefit will be good for us single dose user. :) Please if possible clarify [/b]</blockquote>
Hey, no flames taken! :)

I think the simplest way to explain would be that my Zaino'd car looks better and better every time I wash it (even without Z-7 & even after two whole months). Now part of this may be psychological, but polymers coatings improving in appearance as time goes by is well documented here. I guess with ZFX, this 'improvement in looks' phenomenon just begins at a higher step in the ladder.
 
Thanks DK and Intermezzio330i.

I plan on getting some ZFX just to have on hand (lazy Saturday and a Zaino attack occurs :) )with my next re-order of Z6 and Z7. Neither item I need right now. But if I am missing out on the side-effects of ZFX I will have to step up my order date. I'll probably sleep better anyways knowing that I have a good stash of Z.

Well let me send Sal an order form.:cool:
 
Should I use 2 different foam pads... one for Z1 and one for Z2?

Or can I use the same pad?



Also... all I have is Z1 and Z2... no Z6 (I borrowed the Zaino from a friend). Can I use another brand of QD on the Z2 applicator?



I plan on one coat of Z1/Z2 tommorrow, then one more coat of Z2 on Sunday. Sound right?



TIA :)
 
Use 2 different applicators. Use a DRY applicator for the Z1. DO NOT use a different brand of quick detailer on the pad with Z2......you risk the chance of non compatibility. Just dampen it with water for the Z2 application. I mean HARDLY any water. Once you get the Z2 flowing after a panel or two on the applicator it goes on easy and thin. I would dampen it and wring the crap out of it, or else Z2 will take longer to dry.



If it is cool, pull the car out in the sun, for it will help the drying time. I like to keep the car out in the sun as well while buffing off. Then like you planed, wait a day, and apply Z2 again. Make sure the car is clean. To be sure, I would use some water in a spray bottle just before the second coat with some VERY soft plush towels rather than an OFF brand QD'er just before appling more Zaino.



You should be fine.



I am telling you guys, ZFX is incredible. It rained all week on my car, and this morning it looked even GLOSSIER and more reflective as ever.....INCREDIBLE!
 
Z6 between coats of Z is optional? I thought that we had to at least apply Z6 once between coats, like a surface prep. I believe Alan stated that he did not have any Z6. I do not want him to get poor results if Z6 is necessary between Z2/Z5 coats and blame it on the entire Z system. :cool: and :confused:
 
You won't get poor results, but with Z6 between coats, you will get higher optics and a 3D effect. It also insures that the surface is clean and dust free. If I didn't have Z6 I wouldn't use anything between coats. It is highly recommend though.
 
Can I wash foam applicators in the washing machine with the towels? This would be a lot easier than hand washing and then rinsing for an hour to get the detergent out. :confused:
 
Does it really take you an hour to get the detergent out? I'm not sure if what you are proposing is bad, but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it. I always hand-wash my applicators using diluted alcohol as the first step and then a few drops of 'Tide' as the second step.
 
I have before and nothing exploded or anything. I don't do it anymore, though. I have enough applicators that I presoak them, and let them sit in a box until I have a dozen or so and wash them in warm water in the washer. If you are going to toss them in with your towels then you should presoak the applicators first in some laundry detergent, Dawn, or a stain-removing presoak such as Biz. Rinse them in clean water and then toss them in.
 
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