Zaino Missing Big Boat

Setec Astronomy said:
Err...apparently Spilch's sarcasm was a little too deadpan and was intepreted as seriousness...
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:think: Did that come accross as sarcastic? Really? I didn't mean it to be.



(Is this still a little too deadpan Setec?)
 
Well, I was a wee bit perturbed this morning, but you guys have me smiling again :lol



P.S. - Spilchy - that information was super-duper top secret. Now that everyone knows, I'm surely screwed. If you guys don't hear from me again, the Zaino mafia has killed me and buried my body somewhere in New Jersey. :sadwavey:
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Well stated Bryan. :bow



Sometimes it is hard to express oneself, especially in a "tongue-in-cheek" manner over the internet.

I knew you could take my post without jumping thru the screen and ringing my neck. :D



Any new leather products?

Edwin
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I think my frustration with Zaino comes with needing the ZFX. I liked the old Z2 because it seemed to work well with Z1. It looked nice on my silver (not so much on any other color though) but then ZFX came out and I wasn't too thrilled about mixing. I tried the Z2Pro version with the Z1 and it just didn't seem to work with the Z1 like it did with the old version (of Z2). I don't know, I like the idea of the new Z2Pro version, but I will just never be able to accept the ZFX. If Sal could somehow integrate both I would be all over it. I love the Zaino durability! I would choose Zaino over Klasse for sure if I needed durability, especially on lighter colors. Darker colors still left something to be desired. Maybe I will give it one more shot and see what happens.



Is it not a good idea to use Z1 with the new version of Z2Pro? I am going to order the Zaino leather conditioner soon so I might consider trying the Z2 once again. I think what Sal needs to offer are bigger sizes of the leather conditioner!
 
COBRyan said:
Don't worry, no offense taken by any of the posts. I understand that my opinion about Zaino is probably not the norm on here, so I am prepared for a little flaming and some criticism regarding my comments.
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Bryan,



Your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it... regardless of where the tide is going on Autopia.



My concern and involvement in this thread one of respect for all opinions. It is not appropriate for anyone (long standing members or newcomers) to make flame or "bashing" comments, even if it is in gest. It sets a bad tone for our community. It's hard to tell when a comment is made in gest or when it's meant to be cut-to-the-bone sarcasim.



There have been multiple complaints on this thread regarding the comments from a couple of out long-standing members. I would remind all members of our rules and to please keep it civil.



Thanks!



db
 
I think my frustration with Zaino comes with needing the ZFX.
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The good news is that you don't "need" ZFX. Z-2 Pro does beautifully without ZFX. In fact, you only need ZFX if you want faster cross-linking to add another layer on.



I'm sure Sal will figure out how to combine the two but most of us here don't know the chemistry and how difficult that task may be.
 
Bryan,

Z2PRO works just as well with Z1. ZFX will give an initially better appearance because of the faster curing and the ability to apply an additional coat or two which always appears better than one coat.

If you want, PM me your address and I will send you some Z2Pro and Z8 to test with your Z1. :wavey
 
again I never claimed that Zaino and Duragloss were the same product-I simply said that others who have used both have claimed that they have a similar look and durability. I also said that others have said that PBA and Z are compatible. Again draw your own conclusions from others findings. As for Zane, he does nice work. And maybe someday if it works out I just might try Z for kicks-I'm definitly open minded about the product.
 
SilverLexus said:
...you only need ZFX if you want faster cross-linking to add another layer on.
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Please read my previous post back at the beginning of this long thread.... This is not true. You're only judging by what you can see with the naked eye. There is so much more that is happening with ZFX/Z-1 than without that you can't see.
 
SilverLexus said:
The good news is that you don't "need" ZFX. Z-2 Pro does beautifully without ZFX. In fact, you only need ZFX if you want faster cross-linking to add another layer on.



I'm sure Sal will figure out how to combine the two but most of us here don't know the chemistry and how difficult that task may be.
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Really? I tried using Z2 by itself and it seemed to work fine, but everyone told me that without ZFX, I was not getting the most out of it. I didn't test durability in this situation, I simply wanted to see if the Z2 would still dry on the paint and remove without a lot of hassle.
 
SpoiledMan said:
The truth is really that ZanoO is Sal!
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Than Sal is a lot younger than I thought he'd be. Wish I'd known that when I met Zane. I feel silly now having called him Zane the whole time. ;)
 
Really? I tried using Z2 by itself and it seemed to work fine, but everyone told me that without ZFX, I was not getting the most out of it. I didn't test durability in this situation, I simply wanted to see if the Z2 would still dry on the paint and remove without a lot of hassle.
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I will talk to Sal but I think you get as much durability without the ZFX. The ZFX is primarily to speed up the layering process to 30 minutes between applications.



Performance in terms of looks should be identical as far as I know.
 
SilverLexus said:
I will talk to Sal but I think you get as much durability without the ZFX. The ZFX is primarily to speed up the layering process to 30 minutes between applications.



Performance in terms of looks should be identical as far as I know.
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Nope. ZFX makes Z5 or Z2 Pro "harder" and more durable.
 
ZaneO said:
Nope. ZFX makes Z5 or Z2 Pro "harder" and more durable.
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What about Z5? Seems to be holding up very well on that M Roadster. All I have done is used Z5 and topped it with Z8. At two months, the paint looked great after washing (it was really filthy prior) and was still very slick.
 
Z5 has the same rules/recommendations as Z2 Pro.



Z5 and Z2 Pro will still work without ZFX, but the results won't be optimum or guaranteed.
 
Let us not forget Zaino established its repetition for durability long before ZFX was invented. :xyxthumbs



Though I am a ZFX user most of the time, the final visual cues of applying Z sealants without or without ZFX is IMHO are the same. I have beta tested many of Sal tweaks and one of the trials is the usage of ZFX and Z1 for initial application. The "visual" difference between the 2 processes after 24 hours is nil. These test are done in a contolled environment (garage)



Where ZFX shines is for the detailer who faces the real world and can not allow his/her vehicle to be idled 24hrs in a garage. A ZFX'd applied coat is immediately ready to face the world at full or final brillance and protection capacity. Let it rain, fog, dew etc. No problem. The cross-linking and bond formations are completed. You can even top with Z8 for enhanced beauty immediately after with no ill-effects on the newly applied ZFX fortified coat. :cool:



There are advantages to using ZFX but not to the point where it is an absolute requirement to obtain that great Zaino appearance, real wetness and depth (both mostly prep derived) that last for beyond that first wash or drive though the rain or snow.
 
IMO once something becomes mass produced the quality goes down. This is true with almost anything from cars,wax and even protein powders. Take MET-RX protein for instance, it revolutionized the industry and set the standard for the next 20 years ( like Zaino ). It used to come in two different cans and had to mixed just before consumption, once they mass produced it and made it come in a easy to use packet it was never the same. IMO this analogy deserves merit.

I believe in companies that have strict standards and top quality products no matter what the cost.

When ever any company or person gets into too many products or activities something always suffers.



I happen to love the Zaino look on my black car, although its stored for the winter I still enjoy putting a coat of Z8 almost every week. For me the Zaino line will never be beat or duplicated ( especially Z8 ! ) I now use Zaino exclusively on my car and My Wifes Dark blue Honda van. We both always get compliments on how our vehicles look. IF I had a penny for how many times we asked "what do use on your vehicle " I would be driving a Skyline right now. Looks,durability and quality are second to none IMO. I have been detailing cars since 1978 and have tried everything from Blue coral 2 step to Menzerna. I have spent countless hours detailing high end cars rubbing them down with #7 then #16 or #26 or even Collinite. IMO nothing can beat Zaino for me.



Zaino is for everyone and is not for everyone if this makes sence !
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Let us not forget Zaino established its repetition for durability long before ZFX was invented. :xyxthumbs



Though I am a ZFX user most of the time, the final visual cues of applying Z sealants without or without ZFX is IMHO are the same. I have beta tested many of Sal tweaks and one of the trials is the usage of ZFX and Z1 for initial application. The "visual" difference between the 2 processes after 24 hours is nil. These test are done in a contolled environment (garage)



Where ZFX shines is for the detailer who faces the real world and can not allow his/her vehicle to be idled 24hrs in a garage. A ZFX'd applied coat is immediately ready to face the world at full or final brillance and protection capacity. Let it rain, fog, dew etc. No problem. The cross-linking and bond formations are completed. You can even top with Z8 for enhanced beauty immediately after with no ill-effects on the newly applied ZFX fortified coat. :cool:



There are advantages to using ZFX but not to the point where it is an absolute requirement to obtain that great Zaino appearance, real wetness and depth (both mostly prep derived) that last for beyond that first wash or drive though the rain or snow.
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This is interesting since I hv Z2pro and Z8 ready for a trial, but my ZFX dried up recently. I refuse to spend almost $30 for a new little vial. I don't need mixing bottles, just the tiny vial in an envelope would do fine!

So w/out using ZFX, what is the process? How long before removal? One coat in 24 hours?

Maybe I will get to test out my Zaino.
 
dogma said:
IMO once something becomes mass produced the quality goes down. This is true with almost anything from cars,wax and even protein powders. Take MET-RX protein for instance, it revolutionized the industry and set the standard for the next 20 years ( like Zaino ). It used to come in two different cans and had to mixed just before consumption, once they mass produced it and made it come in a easy to use packet it was never the same. IMO this analogy deserves merit.

I believe in companies that have strict standards and top quality products no matter what the cost.

When ever any company or person gets into too many products or activities something always suffers.



I happen to love the Zaino look on my black car, although its stored for the winter I still enjoy putting a coat of Z8 almost every week. For me the Zaino line will never be beat or duplicated ( especially Z8 ! ) I now use Zaino exclusively on my car and My Wifes Dark blue Honda van. We both always get compliments on how our vehicles look. IF I had a penny for how many times we asked "what do use on your vehicle " I would be driving a Skyline right now. Looks,durability and quality are second to none IMO. I have been detailing cars since 1978 and have tried everything from Blue coral 2 step to Menzerna. I have spent countless hours detailing high end cars rubbing them down with #7 then #16 or #26 or even Collinite. IMO nothing can beat Zaino for me.



Zaino is for everyone and is not for everyone if this makes sence !
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Yeah, I remember Met-RX back in 87-88 with the two bottles. Very different than any other product out there at the time.
 
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