Z2pro vs. UPGP: Heavy Weight battle (comparison with results)

Great writeup Todd! Although I could really care less about an apples to apples comparison, the pictures (I don't need week by week pictures) speak for themselves. A comparison is a comparison irregardless of what anyone says. It's obvious that Z2Pro is better than UPGP in the method that you tested.



I'm sure the results could be different if the prep and any other underlying factors were different but the way you tested it is the way it shows in the pictures.
 
Denzil said:
Great writeup Todd! Although I could really care less about an apples to apples comparison, the pictures (I don't need week by week pictures) speak for themselves. A comparison is a comparison irregardless of what anyone says. It's obvious that Z2Pro is better than UPGP in the method that you tested.
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Sounds like a Z-head speaking.



I'm sure the results could be different if the prep and any other underlying factors were different but the way you tested it is the way it shows in the pictures.
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Yeah... like a fair comparison.
 
Todd I was talking about the beading of Zaino "after" a wash of 4 wks. I let my truck go dirty for a month after a fresh application of Z-2, then washed it, no beading.
 
enjoyed reading your review and found it interesting :2thumbs:



I have UPGP, as my preferred sealant, but have no experience of Zaino. I do think that MY choice of LSP is determined by many factors, and the speed and ease of application of UPGP is a key part of that. I also like the fact it is fast and easy to apply even in low temperatures and the typical conditions in the UK. I have heard many stories of Zaino taking 4+ hours to cure in our climate and am put off by these factors. I also dont go beyond a few weeks without 'fiddling' with the car, even in winter its rarely longer than 4 weeks, and with the ease of topping up UPGP I dont have to worry as long as high levels of protection are offered during that time.



I do tend to agree with your observations about beading and sheeting. I wish I found PGP to bead more tightly and sheet more completely after a few washes, as this would make it ideal for me in my touchless wash routine. Opti Seal also seems to perform better in this area in my recent experience, combined with great looks and ease of use.



Thanks for taking the time to share this.
 
Alfisti said:
Sounds like a Z-head speaking.





Yeah... like a fair comparison.
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Actually the funny thing is I'm really not a Z-head. I actually have no experience with Zaino or UPGP! :dance



I was simply just expressing my take on the comparison itself.
 
Denzil said:
Great writeup Todd! Although I could really care less about an apples to apples comparison, the pictures (I don't need week by week pictures) speak for themselves. A comparison is a comparison irregardless of what anyone says. It's obvious that Z2Pro is better than UPGP in the method that you tested.



I'm sure the results could be different if the prep and any other underlying factors were different but the way you tested it is the way it shows in the pictures.
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Good stuff.



LOL



:D
 
I say, the best comparison would be UPPP/UPGP vs. Z-AIO/Z2Pro (or CS).



This way, the paint is equally prepped/primed before each LSP is applied.
 
RobD said:
I say, the best comparison would be UPPP/UPGP vs. Z-AIO/Z2Pro (or CS).



This way, the paint is equally prepped/primed before each LSP is applied.
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I would substitute Z-CS for Z2Pro to be completely fair but in his comparison this would have been the fairest route.
 
Why not top Z2 with UPGP? I may do this on my next detail. 1 layer of Z5 then 2 layers of Z2 topped with UPGP, maybe with a coat of PS in between.
 
Everytime someone posts a review, there are at least 5 people who whine about how they think it should be done better. I wish one of those people would occasionally take their own time to do one of these tests instead of whining about someone else's work.
 
wfedwar said:
Everytime someone posts a review, there are at least 5 people who whine about how they think it should be done better. I wish one of those people would occasionally take their own time to do one of these tests instead of whining about someone else's work.
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So you think the lack of pictures to complement his write up and findings is OK? Again the write up was unique and I applaud that and his work on this and other threads as well as his click and brag's (the guy does fantastic work) but when you do a product comparison you open yourself up for criticism's and some people look at things from a different analytical point of view than others.
 
If its this review or any other, take it for what it is. If you think it should be done a different way, buy or ask for samples and do the review the way you think it should be done.
 
gmblack3a said:
If its this review or any other, take it for what it is. If you think it should be done a different way, buy or ask for samples and do the review the way you think it should be done.
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I did and what it was to me was a unique analogy between two products and boxing and three pictures at the end saying this is what water beading looked like after 15 weeks. So I asked a couple of questions (because I intend on trying both product lines) and interjected my thoughts on the comparison and thats it. I'm new to the detailing forum scene but I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to question things. I guess everything thats posted around here is to be taken as gospel and unchallenged, yes?





Alas I digress and shall stop posting in this thread. Again to the OP thank you for taking the time to do this but I still think in testing the durability of two products over 15 weeks could be better shown with a series of pictures in a time line to show the changes of the products and not just three at the end saying this is what it looks like at the end of it all.
 
Your UPGP results were more durable that what I experienced. It's nice to see reviews from different climates and parts of the country. Thanks for sharing your experience and writing it up. A lot of companies compare their products to Zaino, which is interesting.
 
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