Will this replace the Microfiber Pad?

Barry Theal

Barry Theal

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I wonder how they work? I also wonder if anyone has actually seen them yet?:cool:



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Lots of companies are getting creative since the MF pads have come out. Now we're just revisiting a new way to put wool on a pad... Nonetheless, I'm interested!
 
Barry, I've been using this type of wool pad for awhile now. The ones I've been using have a very aggresive cut, however they marr like a *****
 
Barry Theal said:
Yeah here is a new Microfiber thats not out yet. lol But I'm just curious about the wool. :2thumbs:



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Those look a lot like one of the early/pre-release versions of the Optimum cutting pad.





The wool pad has me thinking of those velvet/denim pads SVR always talks about.
 
Barry Theal said:
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These look like they could work nicely for some down & dirt corrections!! Send me some!!!!







Barry Theal said:
Yeah here is a new Microfiber thats not out yet. lol But I'm just curious about the wool. :2thumbs:



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These look similar to what OPT was testing a while back:



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Man, that's got defect killer written all over it. I'm thinking it would save a lot of time on those jobs where you have water etching and scratches too.
 
Barry Theal said:
Yeah here is a new Microfiber thats not out yet. lol But I'm just curious about the wool. :2thumbs:



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I have the excact microfiber pads and a bunch of new wool pads that are very similar to the ones in your first picture.

My wool pads are 5" and the wool length is 8 mm or - for you americans - ~1/3". Nice handling and cutting. I also have a wool pad who is similar to Carpros newest wool cutting pad 7". A great pad. I'll get some photos when I come home.
 
Hey Barry,



The electrified sheepskin pads work great on a rotary polisher or on a forced rotation dual action. I think they'd cut faster than microfiber because the it's my experience that polishes generally cut faster when used with wool than with synthetic or microfiber.



The shorter nap would work better on the random orbital because the nap looses some of its action against the paint as the backing plate changes direction and the fibers stay in place till the tension between the attachment on the pad and the paint is re-established and they start getting pulled across the paint again. It's like a brush against a carpet, if you just move the brush back and forth a little, the bristles stay in place. As you know, I'm not a fan of random orbitals because I don't believe they get much done, but since they have a following around here, I'm just saying.



If someone wants to make a foam interface pad to put on a dual action machine between the backing plate and short nap wool pads to help the pad conform more easily to the curves, I know I'd by a few.



All the best,

Robert
 
WhyteWizard said:
The electrified sheepskin pads work great on a rotary polisher or on a forced rotation dual action. I think they'd cut faster than microfiber because the it's my experience that polishes generally cut faster when used with wool than with synthetic or microfiber.



The shorter nap would work better on the random orbital because the nap looses some of its action against the paint as the backing plate changes direction and the fibers stay in place till the tension between the attachment on the pad and the paint is re-established and they start getting pulled across the paint again. It's like a brush against a carpet, if you just move the brush back and forth a little, the bristles stay in place. As you know, I'm not a fan of random orbitals because I don't believe they get much done, but since they have a following around here, I'm just saying.
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Not so sure I'd buy ino that logic without trying these pads 1st. With many of the abrasive packages in certain polishing compounds these days marketed for DA use (Meg's especially), they seem to work better with a material that won't allow the abrasive particles to soak into the pad. Micro Fiber pads provide excellent geometry by keeping the abrasives on the outer surface of their short nap and this creats an effective leveling device. At the end of the day, what makes for great cutting action is a pad that acts as a non-absorbing abrasives carrier rather then one that tends to over-absorb thus reducing the cut by trapping in the partical clusters within. Again, just my opinion, but looking forward to trying these pads out.
 
Hi guys, Fermani I agree with your comments above.



I have stopped buying wool pads entirely now and am keeping the wool pads that I have

Truth be told I haven't used them since investing in surbuf pads then the optimum microfibres which are absolutely awesome, then the rayon pads that came from stainless steel polishing and glass polishing worlds. I use them as a deep straight line scratch remover and corrector for hard paints. they really work great with a rotary.



main reason Im not using any wool is that I'm using the Dynabrade heads mostly today as well some pneumatic palm sized power tools from dynabrade and my big 8 inch 1.5 inch nap wool pads dont really fit on it and the time came for me to leave them behind and move on. the rotaries only come out to play in their traditional form (ie no dynabrade head) when doing a four step or more refinishing service. they are used for the second last step to jewel the paint with either a flexipads ivory foam pad or some other 80, 90 and 100 ppi pad. I'd never use a rotary in standard form anymore for the first or second step when the dynabrade head on it just blows it away with it's ability to remove OEM factory pig tail prep marks no matter how miniscule, all defects and retexturising the paint (up to 99% peel removal) with microfibre polishing pads and the denim/velvet at speed 6, 5, 4 and 3.5 with Xpert for 7 to 12 mins per typical working area.



I think microfibre, surbuf, rayon, denim and velvet pads have made wool obsolete. we are nearly there with foam too.

Am only using foam for the finishing and Jewelling steps of my refinish work



And yes I do love those denim and velvet pads. They correct much faster than wool and reduce orange peel by nearly 99% with the Xpert products and finish down on 98% of paints with 0% marring even by rotary. only improvement from there on is colour, depth and clarity with softer materials



I do use a soft interface pad between a rayon pad and the backing plate on the dynabrade head or rotary sometimes as they tend to walk around sometimes. they glide like a foam pad when an interface pad is there. cheaper than foam pads too by a mile



thanks again to barry for the dynabrade heads. wouldnt of known about them without you mate. best thing I've ever had in my shop



Think there is too much focus on cut these days by many people and not enough on finish

make the polishes lighter and the pads stronger and smarter - thats where I've headed with Xpert and the MF's, rayons, surbufs and denim/velvet. marr free finish with any pad
 
David Fermani said:
Not so sure I'd buy ino that logic without trying these pads 1st. With many of the abrasive packages in certain polishing compounds these days marketed for DA use (Meg's especially), they seem to work better with a material that won't allow the abrasive particles to soak into the pad. Micro Fiber pads provide excellent geometry by keeping the abrasives on the outer surface of their short nap and this creats an effective leveling device. At the end of the day, what makes for great cutting action is a pad that acts as a non-absorbing abrasives carrier rather then one that tends to over-absorb thus reducing the cut by trapping in the partical clusters within. Again, just my opinion, but looking forward to trying these pads out.
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I look forward to you testing my logic and getting back to us.



In forced rotation, I think you'll find that the pad does hold the abrasive against the paint better because the nap isn't moving one direction then the other, braking the abrasives loose and absorbing them or having to cover all sides of the fibers. In effect, when a pad moves in one direction the fibers lay down in one direction and form a continuous surface, after that, the fibers just flex to accommodate variations in the surface. Also, I always run my cutters dry enough so the abrasives don't roll around or slurry on the paint, while wet enough to avoid marring. I get a much cleaner cut on the paint that way and a much cleaner job over all. Little to no sling.



All the best,

Robert
 
SVR said:
Hi guys, Fermani I agree with your comments above.



I have stopped buying wool pads entirely now and am keeping the wool pads that I have

Truth be told I haven't used them since investing in surbuf pads then the optimum microfibres which are absolutely awesome, then the rayon pads that came from stainless steel polishing and glass polishing worlds. I use them as a deep straight line scratch remover and corrector for hard paints. they really work great with a rotary.



main reason Im not using any wool is that I'm using the Dynabrade heads mostly today as well some pneumatic palm sized power tools from dynabrade and my big 8 inch 1.5 inch nap wool pads dont really fit on it and the time came for me to leave them behind and move on. the rotaries only come out to play in their traditional form (ie no dynabrade head) when doing a four step or more refinishing service. they are used for the second last step to jewel the paint with either a flexipads ivory foam pad or some other 80, 90 and 100 ppi pad. I'd never use a rotary in standard form anymore for the first or second step when the dynabrade head on it just blows it away with it's ability to remove OEM factory pig tail prep marks no matter how miniscule, all defects and retexturising the paint (up to 99% peel removal) with microfibre polishing pads and the denim/velvet at speed 6, 5, 4 and 3.5 with Xpert for 7 to 12 mins per typical working area.



I think microfibre, surbuf, rayon, denim and velvet pads have made wool obsolete. we are nearly there with foam too.

Am only using foam for the finishing and Jewelling steps of my refinish work



And yes I do love those denim and velvet pads. They correct much faster than wool and reduce orange peel by nearly 99% with the Xpert products and finish down on 98% of paints with 0% marring even by rotary. only improvement from there on is colour, depth and clarity with softer materials



I do use a soft interface pad between a rayon pad and the backing plate on the dynabrade head or rotary sometimes as they tend to walk around sometimes. they glide like a foam pad when an interface pad is there. cheaper than foam pads too by a mile



thanks again to barry for the dynabrade heads. wouldnt of known about them without you mate. best thing I've ever had in my shop



Think there is too much focus on cut these days by many people and not enough on finish

make the polishes lighter and the pads stronger and smarter - thats where I've headed with Xpert and the MF's, rayons, surbufs and denim/velvet. marr free finish with any pad
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SVR,



A few questions about your system and thanks for sharing.



I tried to contact the Malaysian manufacturer of these velvet/denim pads but no answer. Do you know if they are sending it to Oz?



What do you think of the optimum mf cutting pad/ rotary combo?



Do the Xpert guys sell samples of the 1000 and 1500 versions of their polishes? I'm thinking about trying it.



Thanks again.
 
I tried to contact the Malaysian manufacturer of these velvet/denim pads but no answer. Do you know if they are sending it to Oz?

yes they do send to australia, but best to email henry heng. his email is [email protected]



What do you think of the optimum mf cutting pad/ rotary combo?



excellent combination but I do prefer to use them on the dynabrade head for even better correction and guaranteed no hologram finishes.



Do the Xpert guys sell samples of the 1000 and 1500 versions of their polishes? I'm thinking about trying it.



Thanks again



well if you mention my name to Peter Doolan and ask for some samples, I think he might accommodate

a nicer and wiser paint expert can not be found in the southern hemisphere I'd say. has taught me heaps



will PM you his number
 
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