Will these products layer?

pontman43

pontman43

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OK, so I can finally detail my car (painted a month ago). Its my baby and I wanna get it ready for the winter as well as a car show. I know it might be a little excessive, but I really want to use all this stuff and see how it looks. My main concern is will they layer correctly, ie. bond correctly and not take off the layer under.

Here is my long process:

Wash

Clay

Polish OCP w/propel green pad (not too bad, mainly rotary swirls from body shop)

AIO

SG

24hrs (although with Setec's new experiment I might do it right after)

SG

24hrs maybe

SG

24hrs maybe

EX-P

24hrs maybe

Mothers Sealer & Glaze (to hide the rest of the small imperfections)

1hr

Mothers Power Wax w/ blue pad (on what speed??)

24hrs

Mothers Synwax, maybe x2

24hrs

Natty's blue on black parts, P21S on body (mystic teal metalic)

24hrs

Natty's Blue on black parts, P21S on body

24hrs

Mothers Top Coat

24hrs

Mothers Top Coat

Spit shine with PBs Spray and Gloss



Once again, I know its extremely excessive, but I still wanna do it, unless they dont bond or take off the previouse layer. I really just wanna see it progress and see the changes and results of each product. Plus it should look really good for the show. ;)
 
I wouldn’t wait 24 hours, I have had no ill effects with layering SG one after another...I have had the same experience with some other sealants as well...just my .02 cents...
 
Pontman43 said:
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Here is my long process:

Wash

Clay

Polish OCP w/propel green pad (not too bad, mainly rotary swirls from body shop)

AIO

SG

24hrs (although with Setec's new experiment I might do it right after)

SG

24hrs maybe

SG

24hrs maybe

EX-P

24hrs maybe

Mothers Sealer & Glaze (to hide the rest of the small imperfections)

1hr

Mothers Power Wax w/ blue pad (on what speed??)

24hrs

Mothers Synwax, maybe x2

24hrs

Natty's blue on black parts, P21S on body (mystic teal metalic)

24hrs

Natty's Blue on black parts, P21S on body

24hrs

Mothers Top Coat

24hrs

Mothers Top Coat

Spit shine with PBs Spray and Gloss
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I never in all my life seen somebody want to go thru a list like this. You got products your using 2 or 3 times and then different kinds of stuff over that.



It makes no sinse to me. You must be one heck of a detailer to do all this.
 
4830Deuce said:
I wouldn’t wait 24 hours, I have had no ill effects with layering SG one after another...I have had the same experience with some other sealants as well...just my .02 cents...
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I'll probably do this.
 
diogenes said:
I never in all my life seen somebody want to go thru a list like this. You got products your using 2 or 3 times and then different kinds of stuff over that.



It makes no sinse to me. You must be one heck of a detailer to do all this.
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Not necessarily, just interested in the result of all the mixed products. If the research I did was correct it should all work together good to get the result I want.
 
FrizzleFry said:
but i think the point is... what noticeable result to anyone would there really be?
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Like I said before its mainly just for me, to see how it looks. If it doesnt look any different then I'll stop and move on to the next step or just stop, but I really wanna see what it looks like. I'll try to take pics as I go along and post them up to show the differnce between each step.
 
diogenes,



I don't know how long you've been looking at these forums but lists like this seem common on autopia's forums. I can't imagine what a difference you're going to see after the fifth coat of something, unless maybe your taking a Lupe to the surface. Seems like overkill.
 
I'd stop @ EX-P, or as Scott said top it with Collinite. And besides YOU CAN NOT spit shine a liquid, just a heavy carnauba!!! Removing residue with a QD is NOT proper spit shining!
 
Asmodaus said:
diogenes,



I don't know how long you've been looking at these forums but lists like this seem common on autopia's forums. I can't imagine what a difference you're going to see after the fifth coat of something, unless maybe your taking a Lupe to the surface. Seems like overkill.
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I know what you meen. I lok at his list:



Clay

Polish OCP w/propel green pad (not too bad, mainly rotary swirls from body shop)

AIO

SG

24hrs (although with Setec's new experiment I might do it right after)

SG

24hrs maybe

SG

24hrs maybe

EX-P

24hrs maybe

Mothers Sealer & Glaze (to hide the rest of the small imperfections)

1hr

Mothers Power Wax w/ blue pad (on what speed??)

24hrs

Mothers Synwax, maybe x2

24hrs

Natty's blue on black parts, P21S on body (mystic teal metalic)

24hrs

Natty's Blue on black parts, P21S on body

24hrs

Mothers Top Coat

24hrs

Mothers Top Coat

Spit shine with PBs Spray and Gloss

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I see 3 coats of SG, a day apart each (thats 3 days worth of working/waiting). THEN he puts EXP on, THEN 2 coat of sealer glaze, THEN a wax, THEN 2 coats of another kinda wax, THEN 2 coats of still another kinda wax, THEN he spit shines it with PB.



I got sore fingers just typing all this. If I had a brand new crew cab duallie pick up (a Power Stroke, the best there is) that costs $50000 I wouldnt go thru all this work cause t makes no sense to me.



Sure, I like a clean truck. I keep my 4 wheelers clean, my F250 shiney and my big rig Peterbuilt in good shape cause it costs lots of money and I kinda live in it for work, but WHY would a person put different kinda products on top of each other just to see if it works?



It sounds to me like he has taken what 10 folks each say is the best product, and decided to use them all. Maybe he wants everyone to think he's the best detailer in the world cause he can do all this. I'd rather have a Coors.



I can;t believe itll work.



Good luck to you.
 
I kinda wonder if all those products between the paint and a viewer's eye will be beneficial to the actual, perceived, appearance. We're talking new paint, shouldn't be too hard to get it perfectly prepped.



How about just getting the prep perfect and putting on something that gives the optical effect you're after. If all those products *do* bond/layer/etc. you're gonna have a lot of stuff on that paint, I'd rather see the paint more clearly.



I do find that 4 layers of KSG look a bit better *to me* than 1-3. And six layers of it will last a very, very long time. But the best *looks* I've ever achieved came from putting one-two applications of a "beauty" LSP over top of perfectly prepped paint.



But hey, whatever you enjoy doing is the right thing for you to do, it's all about having fun with the vehicle.
 
diogenes said:
Maybe he wants everyone to think he's the best detailer in the world cause he can do all this. I'd rather have a Coors.
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Or maybe he just enjoys waxing his car, and enjoys talking with other like-minded folks about doing it. Was the veiled insult really necessary?



And given a choice between Coors and spending time on my car, I'd rather be waxing. :D



Tort
 
TortoiseAWD said:
Or maybe he just enjoys waxing his car, and enjoys talking with other like-minded folks about doing it. Was the veiled insult really necessary?



And given a choice between Coors and spending time on my car, I'd rather be waxing. :D



Tort
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Mr Tort, super moderator - I did not meen anything to come across as a veiled insult. All of the products listed, with multiple coats and alike products used one after the other strikes me like the kid at the speed shop who listens to the counterman help 4 diffrent people.



The first guy wants 4.11 gears. "you'll pick up a second in the 1/4 mile"

The second guy wants a 780 Holly carburetor. "You'll make 50 hp and pick up a 1/2 second"

The third guy gets headers and 3" exhaust. "you'll get 15 hp."

and the last guy gets loud 6 x 9 speakers. "you'll get the girls with those".



So, the kid buys all the stuff for his car, and expects to shave 1 1/2 seconds off his 1/4 mile time, and make 65 more hp, all while being surrounded by cuties. He heads to the track, and finds his car is actually SLOWER than before.



Why? The stuff don;t work together.



Maybe I should have made myself clearer.



sorry I made you mad.
 
TortoiseAWD said:
Or maybe he just enjoys waxing his car, and enjoys talking with other like-minded folks about doing it. Was the veiled insult really necessary?



And given a choice between Coors and spending time on my car, I'd rather be waxing. :D



Tort
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Tort,

Thanks for being one of the few to post in support.



Accumulator, your probably right about the new paint but I still wanna do the extras just to see. And thanks for the support.



Bence, Thanks for the advise about not being able to spit shine a liquid, I did not know you couldn't do this. This is why I posted before I do it. Thanks again.



To all who think it is unnecessary, I will say it again, I am doing this as an experiment to see the differences and see if it really does make a difference. I enjoy waxing my car.

Please refrain from any unnecessary comments about how stupid all of these layers of similar products is, because I have already heard it several times and dont care. Oh ya, and I dont want to seem like some kind of super detailer or a really good detailer, I only care about how I feel about myself I dont need to impress you guys. Although I do respect all your opinions. I am by no means the best detailer or trying to look like the best, I'm only 17, I think I have to do this a few more years to get more experience. This is part of my learning process.





BTW can anyone answer the orginal question, do all these products layer correctly?

Thanks,

Pontman43
 
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