Why is this website so slow and boring?

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arack said:
The average hobbyist detailer can master the skills quite easily. The only skill that is tough is polishing. There have been no earth shattering product discoveries at all lately.

If there were some, you would see every car detailer in the country using these "super products" you claim came out this year.

I enjoy detailing, but the innovation factor is still pretty low in this industry.
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I would like to politely disagree. The average guy can learn to greatly improve the looks of a car fairly quickly but to master these skills takes years .It takes a lot more then some people think to reach that skill level . Proper leather care , diagnosis of paint conditions, are just a couple of things that come to mind.
Innovation : New rayon and deniem pads are on the horizen along with various coatings that seem to change the way detailers and customers alike are thinking. The attempted use of 5000 grit pads to eliminate a compounding step. New decon products being brought to market. New long stroke machines for compounding/polishing are just part of the short list of new items. This industry IMO is quickly changing and it's not just the usual flavor of the month club but actual advancements of proper car care. Ask someone that may have been away from detailing in this last year and I think they will tell you much has changed. Look back a year from now and we will be saying the same.
 
arack said:
The average hobbyist detailer can master the skills quite easily. The only skill that is tough is polishing. There have been no earth shattering product discoveries at all lately.

If there were some, you would see every car detailer in the country using these "super products" you claim came out this year.

I enjoy detailing, but the innovation factor is still pretty low in this industry.
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Hmmm nothing new this year well let's see.

Just in house brands here. Total revamp of the BF line. Yes some are just tweaked formulas but some are brand new products. Wolfgang just released 6 new products. Car Pro released Fixer, DLux and others. 3D released a new line of HD products this year and are coming out with HD Cut soon.

It is because of these new products that the hobbyist can have the success that they do. But mastered, far from it. I would venture to say the vast majority of hobbyist do not own a rotary or ever used one so to get a nice finished product using only one type of machine and claim they have mastered something is almost a joke and a slap to those that have truely mastered it.

End of rant arack been down the road before at AG.
 
Todd Helme said:
I like Autopia

That is all.
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Well said and I completely agree Todd.

Autopia and Autogeek are the finest detailing forums / companies with an outstanding member ship and offering the nicest selection of quality products. The tips and advise available are for the asking and will elevate even the most basic detailing skills to the next level....

Autopia Forums :yourrock
 
From my observation> This forum changed drasticly when it was sold or given to PBMA and combined with TID there by changing the name also. A competiter has same name and I dont care for some things that I read when I first started on these forums. If DC was still the way it was 3 years ago this forum had more regular members and helped new members more fully on there questions.

A lot of people I got info from are not in the forum nearly as much as they were before the consoidation. The product line I use is not talkled about as much here as it was 2 plus years ago. (Realizing not a lot of earth shattering new product from there, but there has been a couple.) Has the other companies made new product this is different and better or have they just tweaked there product to change it some?

Its just not the same. And its NOT better than pre PBMA owner ship, but thats my opinion.
 
I think this forum is a lot better than the old Detail City in terms of diversity of people and posts. Yes, it is a marketing vehicle for Blackfire but then DC was a marketing vehicle for Poorboys and AG was also a sponsor so I do not see the issue.

What I do not understand is why Poorboy users do not post more reviews here or elsewhere. I am not seen any recent brag write ups using PB's polishes (SSR, Master cut) or waxes.

Todd's write ups take a different approach than say Mike's at AG so offers an alternate perspective on some topics.

I still do not think many take advantage of the policy here to discuss ANY brand or topic.
 
Bunky said:
What I do not understand is why Poorboy users do not post more reviews here or elsewhere. I am not seen any recent brag write ups using PB's polishes (SSR, Master cut) or waxes.

Todd's write ups take a different approach than say Mike's at AG so offers an alternate perspective on some topics.

I still do not think many take advantage of the policy here to discuss ANY brand or topic.
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I could not have said it better Al! :bigups

Before attending the PoorBoy's detailing weekend this past summer I hadn't used many of their product line. While there I had a chance to use just about everything they had to offer and was amazed at the performance, ease of use, and final results, clearly top level performers in every respect.

Todd's write-ups are somewhat different than Mike Phillips. The format in which Todd presents his information dives deeper touching more of the technical side of a product and it's usage.

I'm not sure if it helps or hinders the forum but let's face it, we see the same faces on all the detailing forums we belong to. I'm a member on Meguiar's, Live-2-Detail, Optimum, and Detailing World but there's a tremendous amount of redundancy between them so I've backed off a few...
 
This is the hottest thread going!

Anyway, there is so much substantial information and reviews in the archives that I don't have to wait for new posts or product hypes.
 
rzatch said:
Hmmm nothing new this year well let's see.

Just in house brands here. Total revamp of the BF line. Yes some are just tweaked formulas but some are brand new products. Wolfgang just released 6 new products. Car Pro released Fixer, DLux and others. 3D released a new line of HD products this year and are coming out with HD Cut soon.

It is because of these new products that the hobbyist can have the success that they do. But mastered, far from it. I would venture to say the vast majority of hobbyist do not own a rotary or ever used one so to get a nice finished product using only one type of machine and claim they have mastered something is almost a joke and a slap to those that have truely mastered it.

End of rant arack been down the road before at AG.
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I specifically said that mastering the rotary/flex/dual action polishing was the only really difficult thing about detailing. This is not important, unless you detail for a living.

Some of these products have been tweaked, but if you are telling me that there is a vast array of new detailing products that make cars look 100% better than last year, I call bs.
 
I have watched this post over the weekend. I would hate to see this post, which only solidifes Autopia's open speech policy, to get closed because some posts are getting personal. We are all entitled to our opinions and AutopiaForums is a place where, respectfully, we can discuss those opinions without fear of over-moderation or product bias.


From my observation> This forum changed drasticly when it was sold or given to PBMA and combined with TID there by changing the name also. A competiter has same name and I dont care for some things that I read when I first started on these forums. If DC was still the way it was 3 years ago this forum had more regular members and helped new members more fully on there questions.
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This is an example of an opinion that is allowed. I have the numbers on forum traffic, new posts, etc, and I can assure you that this forum was slower three years ago, by a large margin, particularly in terms of guest traffic. By the time PBMG purchased this forum the traffic had fallen to extreme lows.

A lot of people I got info from are not in the forum nearly as much as they were before the consoidation. The product line I use is not talkled about as much here as it was 2 plus years ago. (Realizing not a lot of earth shattering new product from there, but there has been a couple.) Has the other companies made new product this is different and better or have they just tweaked there product to change it some?
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One of the best aspects of AutopiaForums, and one of the major changes for the increase in traffic, is the open product discussion. If you have a particular brand that you favor or would like to see discussed more I would encourage you to discuss it more!!!! We have over 80 brands in the store and totally allow discussion of products not carried by us, so there is absolutely not issue discussing anything. This is a major change from before, when this forum was dominated by one brand, to the point where people were leaving this forum do to posts being edited or deleted that didn't fall within the status quo of the time.

AutopiaForums continues to have a small, tight knit group of members who answer product specific questions and offer advice on a wide range of detailing procedures, only now with an eclectic product discussion. If anybody would like to have more focused product discussions I would suggest looking at manufacturer specific forums such as Meguiar's Online, Optimum Forums, Dodo Juice, and Poorboy's. I am sure more exist.

Ultimately we are an open discussion forum and everybody has a right to discussion our opinions or even our opinions of other's opinions, provided it is done respectfully and without attack.
 
I would agree...this site seems to have slowed up some. However...I love this place and enjoy coming in and checking things out, sharing my detail pics as well as my artwork and other stuff. The people here are all great and the interaction I do have with some, has always been good. Friendly, helpful, nobody is in here to 'bash' or 'hate'. Just genuine guys and gals who love cars and detailing.

I can say, speaking just for myself, my life has become so busy that i just haven't had as much time as I'd like to be on here. Hell...I've got a brand new 2012 Edge Sport that I've been dying to give a thorough detail and have yet to have time over the past 4 months of owning it. I think it's only been washed 3 times due to lack of time. That and when I might have a quick minute to wash it, my wife is driving it so I wash my truck instead (which is more important anyway...hehe).

I'm hoping once winter comes I'll be able to find some more time. Between pulling 12+ hour days (and weekends) at my day job to launch a new product line, and then working numerous hours on my side biz as the work comes in, my days consist of work and sleep, work and sleep. The only time I do get is usually spent browsing facebook and occasionally hitting some forums while I lay on the couch trying to wind down before another 12 hour day.

So I know for me, my life is so insanely busy that I rarely have the time like I'd like to. I'd be willing to guess that many others share the same dilemma.

And speaking of facebook...I see a slowdown there too. In my opinion, peoples lives have become so busy trying to 'earn a living' that time for the 'fun' things in life is dwindling away.
 
arack in post 18 you said.

arack said:
Detailing is relatively easy to master after a while. The products do not really change much and the process is really quite boring. Wash, wax, clean, rinse and repeat.
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arack said:
The average hobbyist detailer can master the skills quite easily. The only skill that is tough is polishing.
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You never made any mention of a specific tool, you simply said other than polishing detailing is easy to master. Now you want to come back with "I specifically said" when you didn't! In that post you also said.

"This is not important, unless you detail for a living."

Recent polls taken here reflect different,

49% of the people polled here said that paint was most important to them.

87% said they were a hobbyist.

Todd, arack and membership understand the reason I took exceptions to the posts were not personal. But as arack said "I have to call bs" on these comments.

To come on here and make the bold and arrogant statements that were made about something being so simple, easy and boring is wrong, period!

There are plenty of talented people on here that sometimes make themselves crazy spending plenty hours of time thinking about it when they aren't even around a car, and hours upon hours of effort working at it trying to figure out how to get that extra little bit of shine or better result, so to say what they are doing is simple and easy is discrediting their knowledge and talent. And I will argue the point.

Honestly I'm surprised I'm the only one flaming him over it. Or is it the others just use the scroll wheel? Maybe I should have also.


With all due respect......:rofl This is like :horse: and I

:wall :surrender
 
Bunky said:
What I do not understand is why Poorboy users do not post more reviews here or elsewhere. I am not seen any recent brag write ups using PB's polishes (SSR, Master cut) or waxes.
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I brag on Poorboy's all the time. Here and everywhere else for that matter. I could be Steve's poster-boy...hehe.

I'm just a hobbyist, but since day one when I joined DC (2006-ish) and started asking questions, my eyes were opened to a side of detailing I never had tried before.

I use to think washing, waxing, shining my tires and thoroughly wiping my cars clean in all crevices I could get to with a bath towel was detailing. I would hand apply a glaze over top of my wax for a better shine and it would take me hours and sore arms later.

This place has thoroughly changed my view on detailing and has helped to make my cars look the best they ever have and to all of you I'm very grateful. I know I've still got years to be able to 'master' polishing but I can always see an improvement in my cars when I'm done and it makes me all giddy inside knowing that I can make such an improvement on my cars.

Sorry.,..guess I kinda got sidelined, but regardless, I love Autopia and am thankful to all of those here who have taken time to guide me and give critiques and advice.
 
I think the forum just like all others slows down from time to time. I like that we don't have the same questions posted several times a week. I think most here have a knowledge of detailing and can answer questions instead of making a general comment that doesn't help the person asking. I really like we can discuss all products not just ones sold by PBMG
 
rzatch said:
arack in post 18 you said.




Then in post 38 you said.


You never made any mention of a specific tool, you simply said other than polishing detailing is easy to master. Now you want to come back with "I specifically said" when you didn't! In that post you also said.

"This is not important, unless you detail for a living."

Recent polls taken here reflect different,

49% of the people polled here said that paint was most important to them.

87% said they were a hobbyist.

Todd, arack and membership understand the reason I took exceptions to the posts were not personal. But as arack said "I have to call bs" on these comments.

To come on here and make the bold and arrogant statements that were made about something being so simple, easy and boring is wrong, period!

There are plenty of talented people on here that sometimes make themselves crazy spending plenty hours of time thinking about it when they aren't even around a car, and hours upon hours of effort working at it trying to figure out how to get that extra little bit of shine or better result, so to say what they are doing is simple and easy is discrediting their knowledge and talent. And I will argue the point.

Honestly I'm surprised I'm the only one flaming him over it. Or is it the others just use the scroll wheel? Maybe I should have also.


With all due respect......:rofl This is like :horse: and I

:wall :surrender
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Let's agree to disagree! :autopia:
 
I disagree that this site is boring. In fact Todd is always great to answer all questions posed to him and he responds to a lot of the different forum post. There is always going to be several people that are willing to give advise on all your detailing needs. I am a member at Autogeek and some more furums and always find that this site is the most helpful with all my questions and the information that is provided. Todd is great to post ideas and review new products. If I had to be on only one site it would be this one. The people here are great.
 
YNOT said:
I brag on Poorboy's all the time. Here and everywhere else for that matter. I could be Steve's poster-boy...hehe.
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I mention the products I like too since they are unique but I have not even written a review of any of them.

I recall meaning reviews on how to use the SSR but posting writeups using products is the best way to spread the word.
 
I agree with most here that the posts on AF are usually more meaningful and interesting and there are usually less new members asking silly questions than on other forums.
 
rzatch said:
arack in post 18 you said.




Then in post 38 you said.


You never made any mention of a specific tool, you simply said other than polishing detailing is easy to master. Now you want to come back with "I specifically said" when you didn't! In that post you also said.

"This is not important, unless you detail for a living."

Recent polls taken here reflect different,

49% of the people polled here said that paint was most important to them.

87% said they were a hobbyist.

Todd, arack and membership understand the reason I took exceptions to the posts were not personal. But as arack said "I have to call bs" on these comments.

To come on here and make the bold and arrogant statements that were made about something being so simple, easy and boring is wrong, period!

There are plenty of talented people on here that sometimes make themselves crazy spending plenty hours of time thinking about it when they aren't even around a car, and hours upon hours of effort working at it trying to figure out how to get that extra little bit of shine or better result, so to say what they are doing is simple and easy is discrediting their knowledge and talent. And I will argue the point.

Honestly I'm surprised I'm the only one flaming him over it. Or is it the others just use the scroll wheel? Maybe I should have also.


With all due respect......:rofl This is like :horse: and I

:wall :surrender
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Yawn. You are boring me. :nana::bonk:

Paint does not equal polishing. Just because people are interesting in protecting their paint, that does not mean they spend boatloads of money on polishing equipment. If you own a business, you will need to master polishing. Otherwise, no.

If you are obsessing that much over your paint and car, relax and just take a deep breath.

The extra 1% of shine just isn't that important to most people. I enjoy a clean car, but I do not obsess about it.
 
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