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billd55,

I am almost exactly like you, only totally different. I have a secret handshake that I use (it is a cross between the Vulcan grip and the sign Mork would give) when I am detailing.

It is almost always effective, never.

It fixes all of my automotive maladies sometimes, but mostly it doesn't.

If you would like to know MY secret and you know the secret pass phrase, and if you are 33 years old or older and you have red hair, and if your middle name is Artemis, and if you have a polydactyl cat named "Fred" and if the force is with you, then you can send me a PM for the secret. :StarWars:
 
My bottle of NuFinsh , the once a year wax, has actually lasted over five years.
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Ok it wasn't on my car but it lasted five years in the bottle. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
billd55 said:
I feel that we are here to find products, and methods to keep our
babies looking new. I do not want to spend hours and money to
do it if there is a better way. Spending a thousand for wax is not in
my budget, and spending time taking wax off to reapply it is not
for me.Detailing is work, and to my knowledge there is no product
that sticks to a clearcoat that will protect it for any period of time.
If a bird craps on your car, or you get tree sap on it then expect it
to etch or leave a dark spot if you do not remove it quickly. I am
assuming that is why many of you are using a sealant as a basecoat.

If I told you that I could paint your house with mold and dirt on it,
and I had a special paint that did not require cleaning first, would you
believe me.I do not think so.Well, is your car any different? I could have
the best paint, but it will not bond to the surface.My point is,
maintaining and protecting the clearcoat finish is the key to keeping a flaw
less shine.If you apply 1oz or 4ozs, 3 coats or 4 coats, if it does not
stop the bad things from attacking it then what is the point. I choose
to use a product that requires one application every year. It may take
3 hours to wash it, clay it, and apply it, but a quik wash every couple
of weeks is all I need.

I do not have to go and buy a polisher, and several expensive products
to maintain the shine. A couple of terry towels, and couple ozs of sealant
is all I need. It works for me.
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One product no-nonsense type of guy... there's another cat on this forum like that.. name escapes me!
 
User Name said:
billd55,

I am almost exactly like you, only totally different. I have a secret handshake that I use (it is a cross between the Vulcan grip and the sign Mork would give) when I am detailing.

It is almost always effective, never.

It fixes all of my automotive maladies sometimes, but mostly it doesn't.

If you would like to know MY secret and you know the secret pass phrase, and if you are 33 years old or older and you have red hair, and if your middle name is Artemis, and if you have a polydactyl cat named "Fred" and if the force is with you, then you can send me a PM for the secret. :StarWars:
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Oh how I love starting the morning off with a laugh and a smile. I almost fell outta my chair. May the force be with you, User. :StarWars:
 
User Name said:
If you would like to know MY secret and you know the secret pass phrase, and if you are 33 years old or older and you have red hair, and if your middle name is Artemis, and if you have a polydactyl cat named "Fred" and if the force is with you, then you can send me a PM for the secret. :StarWars:
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HEY! That's me...
Except the force isn't with me...And I don't have a cat...and my middle name isn't Artemis...and I don't have red hair...and I am under 33...and I don't know the pass phrase.

Otherwise though - I have it nailed! PM me the secret!

Thanks for the laugh UN! Good start to the morning.

billd55 - if you have no interest in the product and aren't trying to sell it, it is not against the forum rules to publicly state what it is...

DLB
 
[Why are we here?]

I?d made myself a pot of strong coffee to read what I thought was going to be a philosophical concept discussion...but it seems not :doh:

[What if the hockey pokey IS what its all about?] Anon :biggrin:
 
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This product has been around for a long time, and only a few people such
as myself, and a few others have really seen the potential. They are a
small company that sells a line of detailing products to private detailers. This
is their product, but they sell waxes to. I have no interest in this company,
but I love this product and want to tell other people about what it can do.
I have been working with them for many years, and they are great honest people.

When I read the posts on this forum, I know what all you are looking for.
Awesome shine, and protection. Well, this product is all that. Although,
they do not market this product,why, I really do not know. I tell the owner
all the time, but it his product, not mine. It does not cost alot for what it does.

I do not mean to come off this way, but it is hard to tell you about this product without breaking the rules. If fact, they would have potential
customers call me to ask about this product. So, this is the way it has to be.
I will post some before and after pics shortly.
 
I'd have serious doubts about an acrylic polymer (even if it contains Teflon (PTFE) ;) ( OK I promise I won't beat that dead horse again) that has a five year durability.

Even the nano-technology Silane coating are only claiming two years durability
 
I states under normal conditions it will last for 5 years. I feel it should
be done every 12 months, and I apply by hand. An orbital will work,
but there are places were you still have to apply by hand.
 
As a 35 career year Chemical Engineer in the Petrochemical / Polymer industries I take most marketing at face value.

But I will state this " Today there is no polymer that exibits a durability of five years"
 
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Bill, you should read the forum rules regarding posting products and linking to other websites.

Now....

First you ask why everybody is here??? Then you say to learn and try new products...

But...

That is not the reason you are here. At least it doesn't appear to be? You have stated that you haven't used wax since the 1970's, so while you preach for everybody to keep an open mind, you don't seem to follow that yourself.

Thus...

The question: Why are you here?

I hope it is to learn something new because it seems like you are misinformed about waxes in general.

Most waxes and sealants require about 1/2 fl oz to adequetly cover. This product seems 8 times more wasteful, although this could be the function of the outdated solvents/polymers.


Okay...

You cannot post links, and definetly not to a product you are pushing. That is rule infraction one.. this is just a reminder.

You cannot PM our forum members trying to sell your product. . Since you broke the rules in quick sucession, consider this part of your reminder.

We don't like banning people but will do so if it deemed necessary to prevent people from using our forum to bash us, other people, or sell their products. If your intentions are pure and you are here to expand your limited knowledge of detailing products and learn better techniques to expand your detailing horizen, then you are welcome to follow the rules and stay.
 
th001
I am confused. I did not post that link, so why is that strike one. People
ask me what this product is,so I tell them. According to a previous
post, they said I was not breaking the rules by mentioning the name
if I was not selling it. I will gladly give you the name of the person who owns
this company, and he will tell you I have no interest in this company.

Why am I here? Well, your site is named truth in detailing, so I assumed
that this was a site where people could get new ideas in detailing.
The reason I do not use wax is I have found something that is better, and
fairly priced. When I notice wax going for up to a $1,000,well, I do not think
I have missed much from the 70's. Is it any better when it is sold on line for
$70.00, or at $39.00 at Walmart.If one thing I have said about wax is wrong,
please, tell me. If wax is so great then why do you need a basecoat as a
sealant?

As far as how much sealant I use is not the point. If it costs $2.00 a car,
and lasts a year, well, I do not get your point. The reason it takes more
is because it is bonding to the paint. In fact, you can actually feel it when
applying.

The big companies keep putting out the same old products with new
names. They put tons of marketing money, and fancy packaging with
a high mark up, and everyone follows the pack. How many products can you
name that have the same name and our still around since the 80's.


Lastly, as far as correction is concerned. Yes, there are uses for it. Orange
peel is one need. Although, polishing your clearcoat to an extreme will wear your clearcoat down and affect the clarity. I have seen far to many people
who have destoryed finishes because they had enough knowledge to be dangerous. I am willing to back up anything I say,but it sounds to me that
people hear are interested in what I have to say and that a problem
 
Todd -
My apologies. I didn't realize we couldn't even name a non-CMA product. Was just trying to see what was up like everyone else.

Again - my apologies. Wasn't trying to spam your forum.

I'm out.

DLB
 
Bill to be honest I was perhaps harsh in my original judgement.

To be clear, linking is against forum rules, and your post showed up as a hyperlink.

If you love the product, and what to boost how good it is, we are all detailing junkies. Keep in mind that the beauty of this forum is that it is very self-policing, and people will question your motives when your posts take shots at other products (waxes for example) or seem to heavily promote another.

I hope you choose to hang out here, follow the forums, establish your crediablity, and have a good time. It is a great place of learning so perhaps you can brush up on your wax knowledge as well?

Todd
 
DLB said:
Todd -
My apologies. I didn't realize we couldn't even name a non-CMA product. Was just trying to see what was up like everyone else.

Again - my apologies. Wasn't trying to spam your forum.

I'm out.

DLB
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DLB, no problem, I never thought you where trying to SPAM forum at ALL!!! The editing of the post was 100% tongue in cheek but the link was a result of what I interpeted as SPAM. That is why I replaced picture, to keep it in good nature.

I am VERY SORRY if it appeared that I made it look like you broke any forum rules!!!!!

Todd
 
billd55 said:
If one thing I have said about wax is wrong,
please, tell me. If wax is so great then why do you need a basecoat as a
sealant?
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There's one incorrect statement right there. You don't need a sealant base. Wax can be used stand alone. The reason folks are putting a wax on a sealant is for a specified look, or for therapy as a couple folks have mentioned.

You've also stated that wax doesn't do anything in the way of protection, which is not true.
billd55 said:
The reason it takes more
is because it is bonding to the paint. In fact, you can actually feel it when
applying.
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Other products that are sold (namely sealants) can form a bond, either with themselves or with the paint surface and they don't take near as much product. I'm no chemist, but there is one hanging out and actively posting here, so I'd like to see what he thinks about that statement. Especially the part about feeling a microscopic bonding process happening as you apply the product.
 
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